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Explaining Low IQ Scores in Africa, South Asia

Lets just take the top 10

So you are saying that
1.The Telephone
2. The Computers
3. Television
4. The Automobile
5. The Cotton Gin - The cotton gin is a machine that separates seeds, hulls and other unwanted materials from cotton after it has been picked.
6. The Camera
7. The Steam Engine
8. The Sewing Machine
9. The Light Bulb
10. Airplane

combined are not as important as hybrid rice.

China has solved a Nuclear fusion problem that has stumped the entire world for 50 years.

Is this act not worthy of a nobel prize? gambling everything on a single crazy theory that most of the scientists worldwide laughed at and succeeding? ITER the first commercial fusion reactor is just a BIGGER, STRONGER version of China's nonspherical superconducting tokomak. China basically solved the nuclear fusion problem.

And yet something like this is not worthy of a nobel prize?

Wan Yuanxi: The father of the 'artificial sun'

Great scientific achievements usually come from bold thinking. Tokamak devices had always been circular. After years of theoretical study and numerous experiments, Wan Yuanxi and his colleagues felt that a non-circular Tokamak device might perform better for the deuterium-tritium fusion reaction. In 1997, Wan together with a group of outstanding scientific colleagues, drew up a plan for building a non-circular experimental superconducting Tokamak.

Its very novelty in the field meant that a non-circular Tokamak device would require state-of-the-art technologies. As the initiator of the plan, Wan Yuanxi would face huge personal embarrassment if he failed. However Wan said, "What is more important is that failure would mean that our nation would not only incur a significant financial loss but would also see its scientific reputation suffer."
 
Lets just take the top 10

So you are saying that
1.The Telephone
2. The Computers
3. Television
4. The Automobile
5. The Cotton Gin - The cotton gin is a machine that separates seeds, hulls and other unwanted materials from cotton after it has been picked.
6. The Camera
7. The Steam Engine
8. The Sewing Machine
9. The Light Bulb
10. Airplane

combined are not as important as hybrid rice.

Norman Borlaug - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

This American scientist won the nobel prize for making genetically modified wheat.

Why should a chinese scientist not win for genetically modified rice?

Just admit that there is BIAS in the nobel prize system, the nobel prize will never be respected worldwide unless it adopts a INTERNATIONAL PANEL OF JUDGES similar to the Olympics
 
You must be joking, while i am from HK, give me a break for saying HK is nothing special, Key word="Ranking" is not there for nothing;
Hongkong rank 16 GDP 320b, ppp 45700 population 7 ml. Name me one India city even came close.:lol:
Most of all Forex-reserves of 256.8 billion which can take on the whole india with a pitful forex reserves of less than 280 billion.
Next time think twice before shooting your jealousy trash.:argh:
hktdc.com - HK's forex reserves rise to US$256.8 billion in June
List of cities by GDP - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
PS, you just prove the reliability of IQ rating=81.


Please point me to a sentence where I said any Indian city is better than HK.
 
Norman Borlaug - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

This American scientist won the nobel prize for making genetically modified wheat.

Why should a chinese scientist not win for genetically modified rice?

Just admit that there is BIAS in the nobel prize system, the nobel prize will never be respected worldwide unless it adopts a INTERNATIONAL PANEL OF JUDGES similar to the Olympics

Nobel Prize is biased and politicized.

The Nobel Prize - with smile: deep secrets behind the façade
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The Nobel Prize - with smile: deep secrets behind the façade

(MMD Newswire) December 9, 2009 -- The Nobel ceremony will take place tomorrow on 10th December, 2009 in Stockholm, Sweden. There are deep secrets behind the façade of the famous Nobel Prize, the dream of every young scientist.

A Jewish scientist has 100 times larger chance to receive this prize than a gentile one. This bias is a violation of Nobel's will and testament. The Swedes don't care. They like Marx, but not Nobel; titles and prizes are hated and ridiculed in this Nordic, almost communistic country. However the prize-giving ceremony is the only occasion for the Swedish King to feel like a King and they think that Sweden (a cold, dark, little and unknown country) needs this "fancy ceremony" to get a one-day-fame from the rest of the world.

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Biro - who is honorary professor at the Karolinska Institute (appointer of the Nobel Prize in Medicine and Physiology) since 1985 - gives an insider's view.

History

Every year since 1901 the Nobel Prize has been awarded for achievements in physics, chemistry, physiology or medicine, literature and for peace. The Nobel Prize is an international award administered by the Nobel Foundation in Stockholm, Sweden. In 1968, Sveriges Riksbank established The Sveriges Riksbank Prize in Economic Sciences in Memory of Alfred Nobel, founder of the Nobel Prize. Each Prize consists of a medal, a personal diploma, and a cash award.

The Prize became widely appreciated by the world's scientists and is regarded as the most prestigious award of its kind. Prizes usually benefit not only the laureates but also the donors. Alfred Nobel secured his immortality by his nice positive donation, an immortality that he probably wouldn't have been able to achieve with his invention, dynamite, which was the source of his wealth.

Nobel was born in 1833 in Stockholm, but he didn't spend too much time in Sweden. He experimented with nitroglycerine (blasting oil) and patented dynamite in 1867. (Dynamite is nitroglycerin, an oily liquid, solidified by some absorbent and more stable than the blasting oil). Nobel lost his brother and business partner in 1864 in an explosion and he became the sole patent owner and a wealthy man. He never married and had no family of his own.

In his last will and testament (1895), he wrote that much of his fortune was to be used to give prizes to those who have done their best for humanity in the fields of physics, chemistry, physiology or medicine, literature and peace. He died in 1896 in Italy.

His Prize survived many obstacles, starting with opposition from his distant relatives, how to move the money to Sweden, whether it should be a Swedish or an international prize. The Prize-giving capital was badly mismanaged during 1920-1980 and lost 3/4th of its original value, but regained it. The controversies around the Prize are numerous: many want to get it but only a few receive it.

Benefits & Controversies

What is this Prize actually about? This is meant to be a serious recognition of the greatest scientific achievements and to focus attention, for a short time, on "those who, during the preceding year, shall have conferred the greatest benefit on mankind."

It sounds irresistible, doesn't it? This text touches the center of the heart of every scientist, especially those coming from the old schools, where individual talent and intellectual brilliance are the key to great achievements. This is great.

The Prize is meant to remember Alfred Nobel, the great donor, in a positive way and not as "Dr. Alfred Nobel, who became rich by finding ways to kill more people faster than ever before". This is very nice.

The Prize is meant to give Sweden, the country, the King, and everybody who counts in that country an opportunity to gather and have a good "party in the window". The Prize-giving ceremony is a Swedish signature show, one of the most important for keeping that little country on the map.

Let me have a look on the monetary side of receiving and donating this Prize. The Prize money was no more than ~ 20,000 USD per unshared Prize (real value in 2007) until 1970 (mismanaged price stock), but increased successfully and reached 1M$ in 2008. That is a significant sum of money for most scientists. However, the character of research has changed a lot (in medicine, chemistry and physics): most research is done by large teams with a lot of instrumentation. Those few scientists who are able to reach the Nobel Prize level are already parts of a successful money-making team, which makes them already rather well paid before they receive the Prize.

Laureates in literature have probably already written best-selling books.
The real Prize money comes later, after the Nobel ceremony, and not from the Foundation. Money follows the Prize-winner in the form of grants and contracts with industry and publishers. This is the real money and it is canalized to the laureate's institute, university or other organization. The presence of a laureate in an organization ensures a lot of good will towards that organization.

One such benefit, for example, is that publication in prestigious journals is usually simple and uncomplicated if there is a laureate's name on the author list. (Practically no peer review and colleagues go down on their knees, at least for 10-15 years). There are great institutions that are very successful in picking up laureates and prospering from the benefits of their presence; one might mention Berkeley and Harvard among universities or the Salk Institute among industry-oriented actors.

An interesting phenomenon is manifest here: the interference between economic interests of groups and organizations behind the (potential) Prize recipient on the one hand, and Nobel's will and the will's executors (Nobel Committee, donors) on the other.

How do these two interests work together? The laureates are chosen by humans and not by a computer and humans are manipulable by other humans. Nomination for the Nobel Prize is in principle a fair procedure. Each year the respective Nobel Committees send individual invitations to thousands of members of academies, university professors, scientists from numerous countries, previous Nobel Laureates, members of parliamentary assemblies and others, asking them to submit candidates for the Nobel Prizes for the coming year. These nominators are chosen in such a way that as many countries and universities as possible are represented over time. However, does it work fairly at the end of the selection procedure?

I am not the first to ask this question. Every single year brings out serious criticisms of some decisions. The critics are usually ignored by the Committee as scientific jealousy, rightly in most cases. It is almost impossible to decide who "conferred the greatest benefit on mankind" in a particular year, because there are many beneficial areas of research and there are many brilliant people behind each project.

However, there is a statistic, provided by the privileged group itself, which provides clear-cut evidence that the outcome of the Nobel Prize nomination is manipulated and the results are strongly biased.

At least 178 Jews and persons of half or three-quarters Jewish ancestry have been awarded the Nobel Prize, accounting for 23% of all individual recipients worldwide between 1901 and 2008, and constituting 37% of all US recipients during the same period. In the scientific research fields of Chemistry, Economics, Medicine and Physics, the corresponding world and US percentages are 27% and 40%, respectively. (Jews currently make up approximately 0.25% of the world's population and 2% of the US population.)
• Chemistry (30 prize winners, 20% of world total, 28% of US total)
• Economics (26 prize winners, 42% of world total, 56% of US total)
• Literature (13 prize winners, 12% of world total, 27% of US total)
• Peace (9 prize winners, 9% of world total, 10% of US total)3
• Physics (47 prize winners, 26% of world total, 37% of US total)
• Physiology or Medicine (53 prize winners, 28% of world total, 41% of US total)
(From Jewish Nobel Prize Winners)

What does this mean? That 23% of all Nobel laureates are Jews in a world where the percentage of Jewish persons is 0.25% means close to a 100-fold over-representation. Nothing to be overexcited about; male laureates are also strongly over-represented compared to females, Europeans and Americans are over-represented compared to Africans, and there are more Christian than Muslim Prize winners. These biases are well known and satisfactorily explained by cultural, traditional and economic differences. However, looking at (say) the Jew/non-Jew ratio for laureates from the same country will eliminate cultural and economic bias. The 37% Jews from America, where the frequency is around 2%, gives around a 15-times average (108 years) over-representation of Jews. This statistical picture becomes even more bizarre if we separate the pre- and post Second World War periods. This shows a 2-3 times greater over-representation in 1943-2008 than in 1901-1940, giving around a 20-fold overrepresentation of the Jewish laureates from the USA during the past five decades.

Please don't forget that over-representation of one group is always coupled to the under-representation of another.
I find this statistical bias rather disturbing for two reasons. Both are related to the well known formulation of Nobel's testament. First, the Prize should be given to persons... "who, during the preceding year, shall have conferred the greatest benefit on mankind". Is it possible that the Jewish contribution to human benefit is 100 times as great as that of the rest of the world, or 20 times as great as the rest of American scientists and artists, and that this contribution became 2-3 times greater during the 2nd World War, when at the same time 6 million Jews lost their lives (which was ~ 1/3rd of all Jews)? Second, Nobel's testament very strongly prohibits any kind of national or racial discrimination and states that "It is my [Nobel's] expressed wish that in awarding the prizes no consideration be given to the nationality of the candidates, but that the most worthy shall receive the prize ..." (Excerpt from the Will of Alfred Nobel).

Are the Jews a Nation? The traditional explanation, and the one given in the Torah, is that the Jews are a nation. The Hebrew word, believe it or not, is "goy." The Torah and the rabbis used this term not in the modern sense meaning a territorial and political entity, but in the ancient sense meaning a group of people with a common history, a common destiny, and a sense that they are all connected to each other. Judaism 101: What Is Judaism?
The Jewish dominance of the Nobel Prize is an obvious violation of Nobel's will.

It is not my intention to deep-analyze this bias; that would be a long historical story. However, it is necessary to keep in mind that Nobel and his Prize, which put and keep Sweden on the map, have absolutely nothing to do with Swedish science, not even with the possibility of a positive attitude to science and the prosperity of humankind. The Nobel Prize today is a strongly biased and manipulated (Jewish) prize that gives some superficial benefits to the country and some occasion for the Royal family to feel, once in the year, like a royal family. The Swedish learned to hate titles and prizes (politically incorrect) and don't care or understand such nice words as "benefiting humankind".

Jan Charles Biro MD. PhD
Honorary Professor at the Karolinska Institute
CEO Homulus Foundation, Los Angeles, CA, USA
The Nobel Prize - with smile: deep secrets behind the façade
 
China has solved a Nuclear fusion problem that has stumped the entire world for 50 years.

Is this act not worthy of a nobel prize? gambling everything on a single crazy theory that most of the scientists worldwide laughed at and succeeding? ITER the first commercial fusion reactor is just a BIGGER, STRONGER version of China's nonspherical superconducting tokomak. China basically solved the nuclear fusion problem.

And yet something like this is not worthy of a nobel prize?

Wan Yuanxi: The father of the 'artificial sun'

Great scientific achievements usually come from bold thinking. Tokamak devices had always been circular. After years of theoretical study and numerous experiments, Wan Yuanxi and his colleagues felt that a non-circular Tokamak device might perform better for the deuterium-tritium fusion reaction. In 1997, Wan together with a group of outstanding scientific colleagues, drew up a plan for building a non-circular experimental superconducting Tokamak.

Its very novelty in the field meant that a non-circular Tokamak device would require state-of-the-art technologies. As the initiator of the plan, Wan Yuanxi would face huge personal embarrassment if he failed. However Wan said, "What is more important is that failure would mean that our nation would not only incur a significant financial loss but would also see its scientific reputation suffer."

Tokamaks were invented in the 1950s by Soviet physicists Igor Tamm and Andrei Sakharov, inspired by an original idea of Oleg Lavrentyev[1]. Tokamak - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
you can argue that one out with the soviets,, but exceptions dont make the rule.
 
Tokamaks were invented in the 1950s by Soviet physicists Igor Tamm and Andrei Sakharov, inspired by an original idea of Oleg Lavrentyev[1]. Tokamak - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
you can argue that one out with the soviets,, but exceptions dont make the rule.

So when soviets invent something, it was an exception.

Well, there was too many exceptions during the soviet era then.

Have you found even one person who agree with you on this here?
 
You would have thought at least one Chinese living in China out of 1.3 billion people would have earned a Nobel Prize since they started giving them out in 1900.

Why No Mainland Chinese Nobel Laureates?-ChinaStakes.com

I think Japan has won seven.

By the way Nobel Prize had been politicized, it will be a surprise in the past that Chinese from China can get a Nobel Prize at all.

Yuan Longping's Hybrid Rice deserved a Nobel Prize as much as Norman Borlaug's wheat, but did he get it?

Here is an article written by a Chinese Nobelist himself about why China had not produced one Nobelist.


"When will there be a Nobel Prize-winning work on Chinese soil ?
2006-9-25 Yang, Chen-Ning

  That Cui Qi received the 1998 Nobel Prize did not come as a surprise to physicists, but I was still elated by the news. I am sure this is exactly how ethnic Chinese all over the world feel.

  In 1982, Cui Qi and two other colleagues discovered FQHE, an unexpected and major discovery in quantum physics. Our understanding of the quantum effect of electric current in a magnetic field has been pushed to new frontiers. Thus, for a long time, physicists have been expecting Cui Qi to bag the Nobel Prize.

  Cui Qi had studied in Hong Kong's Pui Ching Middle School. Pui Ching produced many talented people in the Fifties and the Sixties. Just how a secondary school could achieve such a success despite dire economic circumstances is a good question for us to ponder over. There were many reasons for this, but I believe an important factor was the explicit and implicit oppression of the Hong Kong people by British colonial policies, which angered the parents who, in turn, sent their children to the Chinese schools. Therefore, the best Chinese schools then had the cream of the crop among Hong Kong's secondary school students.

  With Steven Chu and Cui Qi receiving the Nobel Prize in the last two years, there has been much discussion in the newspapers and magazines on why there hasn't been any prize-winning work done on Chinese soil. This is an important issue to be discussed, but in discussing this issue, we must not be emotional or rake up any other irrelevant points. We must deal with this issue on its own merits and take the long historical view in our discussions.

  1. Scientific research requires tradition, experiment and economic foundations. Such prerequisites were absent on Chinese soil before the Fifties. This is a historical fact of the past 500 years.

  2. Most people view China's development in science and technology as a failure. This view is entirely wrong. In the beginning of this century, China can be considered as having no knowledge of modern science and technology at all. It was literally “starting from scratch”。 By the Sixties, it has detonated two nuclear devices and sent a satellite to space. The speed of the development was nothing short of a miracle. Historically, only Japan since the 1868 Meiji Reformation could match this pace of modernisation.

  3. In the basic sciences, Chinese scientists succeeded in synthesising insulin between 1958 and 1964. This is a world pioneering effort that fully deserved a Nobel Prize. However, China then was isolated from the rest of the world, thus it did not receive the Nobel Prize for this feat. In truth, this feat not only led the world academically, but in the history of academic development, it was also a real miracle. The scientists began with extreme difficulties, having to import even the amino acids for their work. Thus, their success had really “started from scratch”。 Such a speedy breakthrough is rare in the history of science.

  4. Recently, many people have posed another question:Why aren't there any Chinese Nobel Prize Laureates in biology or medicine? I am of the view that this is only a matter of time. I believe that there will be a Chinese Nobel Prize winner in biology and medicine within the next decade.

  Modern biology and medicine are vast fields of knowledge with many avenues to explore. It is not easy to break into these fields. In the Fifties, the world saw many contributions made by ethnic Chinese in mathematics, physics and engineering, whereas Chinese names were seldom seen in biological and medical journals in the West. But this situation has changed since the Eighties. Ethnic Chinese have forged ahead to the forefront of world biological and medical research. I believe that Prof Y W Kan, Prof L C Hsu, Prof David Ho and other biological and medical researchers have been nominated to the Nobel Prize Committee many times. In the near future, I believe we would be elated by the news of an ethnic Chinese scientist being awarded a biology or medical Nobel Prize.

  5. Back to the aforementioned question: Why hasn't there been any prize-winning work done on Chinese soil? I am of the view that this is also a matter of time. Development in the basic sciences is extremely rapid, but to catch up with and surpass the world-class research institutes is a difficult task. However, from the history of the development of modern science on Chinese soil in the 20th Century, we can see that this development has been achieved in a very short period of time. With such rapid pace of development, I believe that there will be a Nobel Prize-winning work on Chinese soil within the next 20 years. I hope I will live to see that day.


  (The writer is a world-renowned Nobel Prize Laureate)"
When will there be a Nobel Prize-winning work on Chinese soil ?

On the note of Sythnosising insulin:
The first genetically-engineered, synthetic "human" insulin was produced in a laboratory in 1977 by Herbert Boyer in the west. Chinese scientists succeeded in synthesizing crystalline bovine insulin on Sept 17, 1965, it is the first time that human have synthesized living body.
What are China's new "four great inventions"?
What are China's new "four great inventions"?
2006-02-15

The four great inventions - papermaking, printing, gunpowder and compass - were achievements in ancient China. Are there new "four great inventions" in contemporary China? Experts have recently put forward their "four new great inventions", wishing genuine new "four great inventions" can come into being soon.

Wu's Method by Wu Wenjun

Wu's Method is selected because it infuses vigor into traditional Chinese mathematics.

Wu Wenjun is the creator of Wu's Method, a computerized method for geometrical theorem proving. He inherits and carries forward the traditions of China's ancient mathematics, and turns to studies of mechanical proof of geometrical theorems. His study has completely changed look of the field.

Wu's method has revived "traditional Chinese mathematic thoughtways". Western mathematics has gained upper hand since Newton invented calculous, and the traditional Chinese mathematics has been marginalized. Inspired by ancient Chinese mathematics, by linking up theories of computer, Wu invented "Wu's Method".

Comment: Wu's Method has not come up with any major fruits though it is a ground-breaking method. A mathematic method ought to be of practical use.

Hybrid rice by Yuan Longping

Yuan's hybrid rice is selected because it is hailed as "the second green revolution" and helps solve the global food problems.

Hybrid paddy rice is named "oriental magic rice" in the West. Yuan's achievement not only solves the food problem for Chinese people, but is regarded as a magic weapon to solve the global food problems in next century. The hybrid rice is hailed as the fifth great invention of China and the "second green revolution".

Yuan Longping's hybrid rice is innovation on the shoulders of forerunners, because foreign scientists had conducted researches of hybrid wheat before. Yet Yuan's contribution to hybrid rice is indisputable.

Synthesized crystalline bovine insulin, a collective work

Synthesized crystalline bovine insulin is selected because it is the first time that human have synthesized living body.

Chinese scientists succeeded in synthesizing crystalline bovine insulin on Sept 17, 1965, signifying a crucial step in the course of understanding life and exploring life's secrets.

This is the first time that zoetic protein has been synthesized by human in history. In the past it is a universal belief that man can by no means synthesize living body.

Comment: Other countries have carried out similar researches and synthesized a lot of living materials. China has lost the lead in this regard.

Land facies oil-forming theory by Li Siguang

The land facies oil-forming theory is selected because it brings "oil deficiency" in China to an end.

The land facies oil-forming theory plays a crucial role in construction of China's Daqing, Dagang and Shengli oilfields.

Before the theory was created, people believed that big oil fields can only be formed in sea facies stratum. This is the reason why westerners thought China was oil deficient.

Chinese scientists set forth the theory that big oil fields can be formed in land facies stratum if conditions are appropriate. The breakthrough in fundamental theory enabled Chinese people to discover the oil and gas reserves beneath their feet.

Comment: Compared with sea facies oil-forming, the theory contributes much less to utilization of oil because great majority of oil fields in the world are still sea facies strata.

Commentator: Wang Yusheng, curator of China Science and Technology Museum, an expert on history of science and technology.
 
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Invention and innovation has nothing to do with government system but rather the policy toward it and one's industrial and scientific foundation of that country.

Don't you think that's playing with words a little? The "policy towards it" is part of the system ;).

Anyway I hate to defend Captain America, but it is dangerous to claim government has no effect on innovation or invention. Since people can bring up Lysenkoism, or Mao's pig iron, or even in more modern times Internet censorship. Certainly the government system can matter. If your government is ideological predisposed to certain ideas, like the Soviets were to lamarckism (they loved the idea that you could engineer an incredible crop just by sheer effort) or self-sufficiency (Mao loved the idea that every house could turn into a factory or smelter) it can set you back years or decades.
 
Don't you think that's playing with words a little? The "policy towards it" is part of the system ;).

Anyway I hate to defend Captain America, but it is dangerous to claim government has no effect on innovation or invention. Since people can bring up Lysenkoism, or Mao's pig iron, or even in more modern times Internet censorship. Certainly the government system can matter. If your government is ideological predisposed to certain ideas, like the Soviets were to lamarckism (they loved the idea that you could engineer an incredible crop just by sheer effort) or self-sufficiency (Mao loved the idea that every house could turn into a factory or smelter) it can set you back years or decades.

System and policy are different. I am sorry that I did not make myself clear enough. Of course government's role in research and development is the most crucial element. In any form of government, no sane leaders will want to keep a nation technological backward. The commitment of the government often determine the outcome of one's performance in the field of R&D. PRC in its early years had many policies that setback the development of the country, but those policies were not set with an intention to keep China weak. Now, the government has been very pragmatic in its approach in the development, and it has shown a great result in almost all the fields. Ideology on the other hand is often the obstacle in one's development, most policy mistakes were made purely due to Idealogical reasons as Mao's era and US during its era of McCarthyism that turned many scientists away and against US government.
 
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No, it is possible to have a form of government which wants to be technologically set back. Theocracies come to mind where technology is a direct threat to power, and various forms of theoretical government in books like 1984 and Brave New World. You can't call the leaders of these insane; they have a very sane goal of wanting to keep personal power and the peasants in control at all costs and believes keeping them stupid stops revolutions. A real life example would be Pol Pot.

But of course the main issue with forms of government is that if your form of government doesn't encourage dissent, or out of box thinking, then innovation and invention doesn't happen. A government bureaucrat can of course direct a scientist to do this or that, but true technological marvels are black swan events. They cannot be predicted by any central authority, so government policy then becomes irrelevant and the only thing that matters is if the scientist is encouraged not to tow the party line or has some other motivation, say money, to make progress.
 
No, it is possible to have a form of government which wants to be technologically set back. Theocracies come to mind where technology is a direct threat to power, and various forms of theoretical government in books like 1984 and Brave New World. You can't call the leaders of these insane; they have a very sane goal of wanting to keep personal power and the peasants in control at all costs and believes keeping them stupid stops revolutions. A real life example would be Pol Pot.

But of course the main issue with forms of government is that if your form of government doesn't encourage dissent, or out of box thinking, then innovation and invention doesn't happen. A government bureaucrat can of course direct a scientist to do this or that, but true technological marvels are black swan events. They cannot be predicted by any central authority, so government policy then becomes irrelevant and the only thing that matters is if the scientist is encouraged not to tow the party line or has some other motivation, say money, to make progress.

Theocracy is actually ideology based government system, but you are right that some systems are innately incompatible with technological development. Other than that, any pragmatic government whether it is democratic or not will encourage scientific and technological development. Only in an ideological based society, the government will try to force its people to think in the same direction. In technology and science, there is little to threaten the government's legitimacy which is the most important thing for any government to worry about if there is no any ideology to speak of. So there will be little restriction for innovations. Take USSR for example, in the field of social science, its achievement is very limited because it actually threatened the fundamental of idealism of communism, but it could still achieve its potentials in the fields of natural science and engineering. Also because consumerism is against the basics of Communism and under the pretense of Cold War, the policies set for R&D was concentrated towards military rather than consumer orientated product. Fascist Nazi Germany was also a good example.
 
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No, it is possible to have a form of government which wants to be technologically set back. Theocracies come to mind where technology is a direct threat to power, and various forms of theoretical government in books like 1984 and Brave New World. You can't call the leaders of these insane; they have a very sane goal of wanting to keep personal power and the peasants in control at all costs and believes keeping them stupid stops revolutions. A real life example would be Pol Pot.

But of course the main issue with forms of government is that if your form of government doesn't encourage dissent, or out of box thinking, then innovation and invention doesn't happen. A government bureaucrat can of course direct a scientist to do this or that, but true technological marvels are black swan events. They cannot be predicted by any central authority, so government policy then becomes irrelevant and the only thing that matters is if the scientist is encouraged not to tow the party line or has some other motivation, say money, to make progress.

i don't think technological marvels are black swan events. i think their frequency can be controlled. take some very smart people and give them money - things will happen.

actually, in places like the US, the profession of finance is sucking out some of the smartest math / physics people who could be building amazing stuff if given the right funding.

people don't want to do basic science because its just very hard to get paid decently and get a secure tenured job.
 
i don't think technological marvels are black swan events. i think their frequency can be controlled. take some very smart people and give them money - things will happen.

actually, in places like the US, the profession of finance is sucking out some of the smartest math / physics people who could be building amazing stuff if given the right funding.

people don't want to do basic science because its just very hard to get paid decently and get a secure tenured job.

Ain't that the truth. Academics don't get paid nearly enough for the effort they put in. The path to a tenured professorship, is years and years of low pay and hard work (even then tenures are becoming harder to get)

And when you get there the best you can hope for is 70k-100k and maybe 100k + for elite universities. I know because the U of Toronto posts all of their professor's salaries...

Luckily most people do it because they love their field of study and they do what they do out of passion for discovery.
 

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