Pakistan conducted another successful test fire of indigenously developed Submarine Launched Cruise

[GumNaam]

Get ready for raj boys.

Otherwise known as iblees ki bayvas screaming "fake test fake test" like a squealing rat on fire!

It is Chinese maal [emoji110]

LOL...here we go with the first iblees ki bayva breaking out into a tantrum...

 

[Rashid Mahmood]

All tests of Babur SLCM have been conducted from Agosta 90Bs.

 

[Mav3rick]

ohhh boy its got now interesting second strike capability is getting real or can be said third strike from submarines .

How can it be second strike capability when the best that Babur SLCM can do is carry a small tactical nuclear warhead?? I mean it is not big enough to carry a strategic warhead so what's the point exactly?

We probably need much larger SLCM/SLBM with MIRV capability and range in excess of 3000 km's to cover all of India, even from international waters.

 

[FuturePAF]

Congratulations to the Navy and SPD (Special Plans Division)
A motto reaffirmed today; "Peace is our Profession"
Another day Deterrence is assured, another day they keep the peace.
Hegemony is blunted by "Peace Through Strength"

To maximize the utility of surprise; all submarines (Agosta 90b and planned Chinese Subs) will need to be capable to equip these second strike capabilities; at least two baburs per sub.

next step would be to make 2000-2500 km SLBMs; but smaller then the JL-1A; under 10 meters in length and less than 1 meter in diameter to add flexability to the second strike capabilities. Fielding only 6 missiles per sub and and 4 such submarines would be a reliable strategic deterrence. (operating silently as possible, with an Endurance of at least 10 - 12 knots and stay submerged for at least 6 weeks at a time, using what ever propulsion that can ensure that; hopefully battery technology advances to allow Diesel-electrics to do this and keep costs down)

research into a New SLBM and Propulsion technologies (like all solid state Lithium batteries)

 

[IceCold]

https://twitter.com/x/status/979408457802579968

@war&peace @HRK @WebMaster @Areesh @Windjammer

How does a mere 450 km missile provide a successful 2nd strike capability? The range is too short and for the submarines will have to bee too close to Indian shores to hit major cities with a successful 2nd strike in case our land assets are taken out. For a successful strike, this should be at least 1000 kms so that our submarines can stay at a relatively safe distance and still be able to hit Indian cities should the need arise.

 

[DESERT FIGHTER]

Pakistan’s Cruise Missile Family

Babur Land to Land attack ;

Babur II anti Ship & Land attack;

Harbah Anti Ship Cruise Missile;

Babur III (Sub Launched Cruise Missile);

RAAD ALCM (Air Launched Cruise Missile);

RAAD II (Air Launched Cruise Missile)

ZARB Coastal Defence (ASM);

@HAKIKAT. @Wolfhunter

@Gomig-21 @cabatli_53 @T-123456 @2800. @SOHEIL

 

[RIP Pak LAW]

How does a mere 450 km missile provide a successful 2nd strike capability? The range is too short and for the submarines will have to bee too close to Indian shores to hit major cities with a successful 2nd strike in case our land assets are taken out. For a successful strike, this should be at least 1000 kms so that our submarines can stay at a relatively safe distance and still be able to hit Indian cities should the need arise.

bhai, just a start. Saber!

Let the system get matured with thorough testing and than of course future tests will be conducted with longer range

 

[Safriz]

All tests of Babur SLCM have been conducted from Agosta 90Bs.

Makes sense. The ISPR press release says " Dynamic underwater platform ". It can't be a pontoon .

 

[SQ8]

How does a mere 450 km missile provide a successful 2nd strike capability? The range is too short and for the submarines will have to bee too close to Indian shores to hit major cities with a successful 2nd strike in case our land assets are taken out. For a successful strike, this should be at least 1000 kms so that our submarines can stay at a relatively safe distance and still be able to hit Indian cities should the need arise.

Depends on the size of the missile and the fuel it carries.

 

[Safriz]

How can it be second strike capability when the best that Babur SLCM can do is carry a small tactical nuclear warhead?? I mean it is not big enough to carry a strategic warhead so what's the point exactly?

We probably need much larger SLCM/SLBM with MIRV capability and range in excess of 3000 km's to cover all of India, even from international waters.

Not tactical but sub strategic .
The big guns like Shaheen series carry 100kt + yield warheads, weighing 500 kg to 1 ton,depending on new or old design. Raad and Babur carry warhead of 50+ kt yield weighing about 300kg.
But likewise every Agosta 90b can carry four of these without compromising anti ship role. So in theory there are at least 16 Babur SLCM out at sea at any given time. That's 800 kilotons of blast yield coming from the sea.
Then the land assets will also be available even in case of Indian first strike. Reason is the land based missiles are mounted on all terrain mobile vehicles which can go hide in far off places.
Such well distributed second strike capability will give nightmares to any adversary.

 

[August is Fun]

Notes & Comments:

It is apparent that Pakistan is not testing the SLCM Babur from a submarine. First, two of the three Pakistan Navy Agosta 90B submarines are undergoing an upgrade (being conducted in Pakistan with a state-owned Turkish defence contractor leading the effort). Second, the next-generation air-independent propulsion (AIP)-equipped submarines on order from China – i.e. the Hangor-class (II) – will not being reaching the Pakistan Navy until at least 2022. However, it appears that the tests are being done using a specially-made system. In 2010, MBDA had built an “instrumented model” of its SCALP Naval SLCM to test-fire the missile from underwater, “replicating submarine launch conditions”.

The long-term objective – driven by the SLCM Babur and the Harba dual-anti-ship missile (AShM) and land-attack cruise missile (SLCM) – is to build a comprehensive strategic element at-sea (from the surface and underwater). It is unclear what – if any – efforts are underway for range extension; but doing so would likely necessitate changes such as a more fuel-efficient engine, improved flight control system (e.g. using space and making room for more fuel) and reducing the missile airframe’s weight.


https://quwa.org/2018/03/29/pakistan-announces-babur-sub-launched-cruise-missile-slcm-test/

 

[Mav3rick]

Not tactical but sub strategic .
The big guns like Shaheen series carry 100kt + yield warheads, weighing 500 kg to 1 ton,depending on new or old design. Raad and Babur carry warhead of 50+ kt yield weighing about 300kg.
But likewise every Agosta 90b can carry four of these without compromising anti ship role. So in theory there are at least 16 Babur SLCM out at sea at any given time. That's 800 kilotons of blast yield coming from the sea.
Then the land assets will also be available even in case of Indian first strike. Reason is the land based missiles are mounted on all terrain mobile vehicles which can go hide in far off places.
Such well distributed second strike capability will give nightmares to any adversary.

Yeah, thanks for that.

I still hope that we develop MIRV capable SLCM with ranges in excess of 3000 km's. But then again, I also hope that we develop 12000 km ranged ICBM's with MIRV.

 

[Arsalan]

It was conducted quite some time ago when some NOTAMs were issued but nothing was announced.

Abhii tou Ababeel kaa bhii ailaan hona hay..
yyad hay pichlay maheenay kaafi saaray navarea issue hue phir sannaata? yeh wohee test hain.

it was definitely tested during one of the previously issued Navarea warnings .... today's announcement is just the confirmation of the test conducted during announced warning duration

Yup! That is what i think. AND, this tells us something about our very own members with "inside sources" via Facebook as even they were not aware of the test.


More importantly, if this is true, than we may have tested a long range ballistic missile back then as there were Navigational warning issued for some 2800-3000km range. However there is the fact to consider that Ballistic missile tests are a lot more difficult to keep quite about/hide. SO may be we didn't tested the ballistic missile after all.

 

[IceCold]

More importantly, if this is true, than we may have tested a long range ballistic missile back then as there were Navigational warning issued for some 2800-3000km range. However there is the fact to consider that Ballistic missile tests are a lot more difficult to keep quite about/hide. SO may be we didn't tested the ballistic missile after all.

Agreed however do remember that recently US did acknowledge that Asia has its first MRIV capability. Maybe this was after another test conducted which validated this claim.
However i dont see the point in hiding the test specially when those who intend to know about it, actually do. So why all the secretiveness?

Depends on the size of the missile and the fuel it carries.

As per @The Deterrent Pakistan has neither good quality fuel nor a capable and efficient motor for Babur and we are working on Jugars. China isnt helping either.

 

[fitpOsitive]

First strike capability was enough. Third striking capability doesn't make any sense. You fire on your skull just for once.
Ham bhi tabah , woh bhi tabah.... Every body will live a happy life afterwards.