Zhuhai Air Show 2014 - Updates & Discussions

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[cnleio]

11.14 1st day of Public Days, 2014 ZhuHai Air Show
(11.11~11.13 Professional Days for journalists / VIPs / foreign customers, 11.14~11.16 Public Days for normal visiter)

A 1.3billion Chinese market here

 

[Speeder 2]

For this airshow, the single most important thing should be potent domestic engine/s.

Engines!

Engines!

Engines!

Show the engines! No engines, no show. 3rd rate engines = 3rd rate show. just like that.

Engines are the single most important measure of how good you are in aviation, and how powerful you are in industry in general.

Comparatively the rest are trivial.


Imagine this scenario:

The whole airshow with 1 showroom only, showcasing 3 giant world-class domestic engines.

Then, and only then, the rest of the world will shut up in owe. Before that happens, nothing!

 

[cnleio]

For this airshow, the single most important thing should be potent domestic engine/s.

Engines!

Engines!

Engines!

Show the engines! No engines, no show. 3rd rate engines = 3rd rate show. just like that.

Engines are the single most important measure of how good you are in aviation, and how powerful you are in industry in general.

Comparatively the rest are trivial.


Imagine this scenario:

The whole airshow with 1 showroom only, showcasing 3 giant world-class domestic engines.

Then, and only then, the rest of the world will shut up in owe. Before that happens, nothing!

Not a big deal, the only problem for China is engine's high-temperature material need time to research ... AVIC will solve the last problem in future.

 

[cnleio]

FC-31 & cockpit

 

[cnleio]

They are ... ?!

 

[cranwerkhan]

Lca has entered the production.........its not a world beater but at present configuration has better electronics than jf-17 with quadruple fly by wire vs single axis fly by wire in jf-17 and having a better radar.

It has also got ability to use different missiles like derby,python etc.

It also will debut with air refuelling in mk1 only,jf-17 still lacks it.

So please don't post nonsense here.

Delusional lca fanboy .. A typical indian why dnt u die of supa pawa cancer ? Seeing ur post since many days u have no knowledge of of anything just delusion of being supa pawa in everything.. Nonsense

 

[he-man]

Prove me wrong on any point genius.Learn something while on pdf instead of acting tough.

Delusional lca fanboy .. A typical indian why dnt u die of supa pawa cancer ? Seeing ur post since many days u have no knowledge of of anything just delusion of being supa pawa in everything.. Nonsense

 

[Ultima Thule]

FC-31 & cockpit

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awsome beauty, future of PAF

 

[aliaselin]

A Middle East country has ordered more than 100 ST-1

 

[Zarvan]

A Middle East country has ordered more than 100 ST-1
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Which one @Mosamania any idea and according to @DESERT FIGHTER We may also get them with TOT

 

[Mugwop]

Russian Su-35S fighter at China air show proves Asia-Pacific priority — corporation chief

BEIJING, November 10. /TASS/. The fact that Russia's multi-purpose Sukhoi Su-35S fighter will be displayed at China's Zhuhai international air show illustrates the high priority Russian aircraft producers place on markets in China and the Asia-Pacific region, United Aircraft Building Corporation president Mikhail Pogosyan said in an exclusive interview with TASS.
“We find markets in the Asia-Pacific region and China important to promote what we make," he said. “The Su-35 display is to demonstrate this warplane's capabilities,” he said.
“Not everything can be shown during the flight program to be presented at the show,” he said. But “it is possible to demonstrate characteristics of super-manoeuvrability alongside performance of radar, optical and electronic warfare systems and modern airborne weapons that make Su-35 the best fourth-generation warplane”, he said.
“All our contracting parties with successful experience in operating our aircraft have expressed interest in this warplane,” the executive added.

 

[Sanchez]

This should give you an idea of how the DF-21D might work. The DF-21D will obviously be bigger and more sophisticated than this. Once again, China doesn't showcase her best weapons at Zhuhai Air Show.

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There have been three missiles with these wave-riding or gliding flight trejectory as shown in Zhuhai: B611MR，M20，WS-64（guided rocket). M20 is said to have a terminal speed of 6Mach. Can we call these short ranged hypersonic missiles? It's obviously difficult to intercept the missiles with known air defence systems.

 

[kuge]

Not a big deal, the only problem for China is engine's high-temperature material need time to research ... AVIC will solve the last problem in future.

专家：中美发动机差距不到10年 太行大量装3款军机-空军版-超级大本营军事论坛-最具影响力军事论坛 -
2014-11-14 来源：羊城晚报 作者： 责任编辑：高辰




太行发动机真行了？站在太行涡扇10旁的老董很肯定地点头：行了！
is taihang ok?: yes, it is ready!

太行涡扇10发动机是中国航空研究院606所的产品，老董是606所的参展人员，这几天他天天站在展馆，给感兴趣的专业和非专业人士答疑解惑。老董说，他从南京航空航天大学一毕业就参与了涡扇10的研制。

涡扇10从1978年预研，1987年立项。老董说，它现在已经大批量地装上了歼10B、歼11B和运20大型运输机。
mass production engines installed on j10b,j11b & y20

网上一些文章透露，太行发动机的外涵盒子，用上了复合材料，既大减了重量，又提高了强度，也提高了耐高温能力。老董先生带记者到太行发动机的侧面，指 着发动机外表那片黑色说：“这是我们所独有的特色，以前这里是用钢材，也有用钛合金，现在用复合材料就轻多了，还耐高温，高强度。”

老董说太行涡扇10发动机的推重比在8左右（发动机的推重比是指发动机的推力和发动机重量（重力）的比值），一般的三代机的发动机，都在8左右。他还透露，现在几个研究所正在联合研制的四代战斗机的发动机，在网上称为涡扇15，那款发动机具备隐身性能。
twr ~8. ws15 in development phase has "stealthy features"

歼10B作为一个轻型战斗机能够载重近8吨的武器，机动性能非常优秀，这得益于它已经有了一颗强大的中国“心脏”。

对话太行涡扇10发动机科研人员

中美发动机 差距不到10年
china & usa engine gap is <10yrs.

记者：12000KGF-14000KGF有什么含义？

老董：这是说明太行发展了很多种机型，我们最好的发动机已经达到14000公斤的推力。（苏35的发动机推力为14500公斤）
taihang new derivatives comes close to 14000kgf ( su35's 14500kgf)

记者：达到这样的推力，就是说太行发动机与苏35的发动机推力大致相当了？

老董：是的，而且我们还在向前发展，这几年一直在完善和发展。这是最新的涡扇10发动机，已经定型了。

记者：它已经量产了吗？

老董：已经大批量装上歼10B、歼11B和运20。

记者：为什么歼10，比如八一飞行表演队的歼10用的还是俄罗斯的发动机呢？

老董：中国购买了那么多俄罗斯的发动机，还有已经装上的俄罗斯发动机还没到寿命，当然还要用呵。

记者：涡扇10在发动机寿命和稳定性方面与俄罗斯、美国三代机上的发动机比怎么样？

老董：这方面我们差一些，也可以说有较大的发展空间，比如说有些材料在科研单位的数据是不错的，但在实际应用时，还是不尽如人意，这就是研究航空发动机的难处，一个发动机要在相当长的时间内逐步完善它的稳定性，就算是美国也要十来年，而且还不算他们的预研阶段。

记者：网上有人质疑中国发动机不行，说太行发动机只有300小时的寿命，这是否属实？

老董：这个错大了，我们太行的寿命是1500小时，按照设计要求，300小时是定期维护。
life span is 1500hrs, 300hrs of scheduled maintenance

记者：我们的发动机与美国的差距有没有10年？

老董：不到10年。（林丹）

 

[Beast]

专家：中美发动机差距不到10年 太行大量装3款军机-空军版-超级大本营军事论坛-最具影响力军事论坛 -
2014-11-14 来源：羊城晚报 作者： 责任编辑：高辰




太行发动机真行了？站在太行涡扇10旁的老董很肯定地点头：行了！
is taihang ok?: yes, it is ready!

太行涡扇10发动机是中国航空研究院606所的产品，老董是606所的参展人员，这几天他天天站在展馆，给感兴趣的专业和非专业人士答疑解惑。老董说，他从南京航空航天大学一毕业就参与了涡扇10的研制。

涡扇10从1978年预研，1987年立项。老董说，它现在已经大批量地装上了歼10B、歼11B和运20大型运输机。
mass production engines installed on j10b,j11b & y20

网上一些文章透露，太行发动机的外涵盒子，用上了复合材料，既大减了重量，又提高了强度，也提高了耐高温能力。老董先生带记者到太行发动机的侧面，指 着发动机外表那片黑色说：“这是我们所独有的特色，以前这里是用钢材，也有用钛合金，现在用复合材料就轻多了，还耐高温，高强度。”

老董说太行涡扇10发动机的推重比在8左右（发动机的推重比是指发动机的推力和发动机重量（重力）的比值），一般的三代机的发动机，都在8左右。他还透露，现在几个研究所正在联合研制的四代战斗机的发动机，在网上称为涡扇15，那款发动机具备隐身性能。
twr ~8. ws15 in development phase has "stealthy features"

歼10B作为一个轻型战斗机能够载重近8吨的武器，机动性能非常优秀，这得益于它已经有了一颗强大的中国“心脏”。

对话太行涡扇10发动机科研人员

中美发动机 差距不到10年
china & usa engine gap is <10yrs.

记者：12000KGF-14000KGF有什么含义？

老董：这是说明太行发展了很多种机型，我们最好的发动机已经达到14000公斤的推力。（苏35的发动机推力为14500公斤）
taihang new derivatives comes close to 14000kgf ( su35's 14500kgf)

记者：达到这样的推力，就是说太行发动机与苏35的发动机推力大致相当了？

老董：是的，而且我们还在向前发展，这几年一直在完善和发展。这是最新的涡扇10发动机，已经定型了。

记者：它已经量产了吗？

老董：已经大批量装上歼10B、歼11B和运20。

记者：为什么歼10，比如八一飞行表演队的歼10用的还是俄罗斯的发动机呢？

老董：中国购买了那么多俄罗斯的发动机，还有已经装上的俄罗斯发动机还没到寿命，当然还要用呵。

记者：涡扇10在发动机寿命和稳定性方面与俄罗斯、美国三代机上的发动机比怎么样？

老董：这方面我们差一些，也可以说有较大的发展空间，比如说有些材料在科研单位的数据是不错的，但在实际应用时，还是不尽如人意，这就是研究航空发动机的难处，一个发动机要在相当长的时间内逐步完善它的稳定性，就算是美国也要十来年，而且还不算他们的预研阶段。

记者：网上有人质疑中国发动机不行，说太行发动机只有300小时的寿命，这是否属实？

老董：这个错大了，我们太行的寿命是1500小时，按照设计要求，300小时是定期维护。
life span is 1500hrs, 300hrs of scheduled maintenance

记者：我们的发动机与美国的差距有没有10年？

老董：不到10年。（林丹）

Summary

-new variant of WS-10A engine reaches 14000kg thrust and has certify
-WS-10A has started mass equip of domestic aircraft like J-11B, J-10B and Y-20 transport aircraft.
-WS-10A still not fully equipped all domestic aircraft is becos many AL-31 engine lifespan has not used up.
-lifespan of WS-10A is 1500hrs and schedule maintenance every 300hrs
-China aeronautic engine technology gap with US is less than 10 years.