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Interesting article, and I wonder if it will have implications for TPP, or cause a re-pivot back to TTIP. The conclusion is also interesting, although I am less optimistic than the author. In any case, please read the article on FT, as it has links that I had to strip out due to PDF's link censorship.

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http://ftalphaville.ft.com/2014/08/28/1947751/yes-trade-with-poor-countries-has-cost-us-jobs/

Yes, trade with poor countries has cost US jobs
Matthew C Klein | Aug 28 22:01 | Comment |
Polled in March 2012, top academic economists overwhelmingly agreed that “freer trade improves productive efficiency and offers consumers better choices, and in the long run these gains are much larger than any effects on employment.”

This academic consensus has penetrated popular opinion to the extent that some people believe increasing cross-border trade flows is unambiguously good for everyone. Likewise, there is a relatively common — and wrong — belief that the Hawley-Smoot tariffs were a significant factor in the severity of the Great Depression.

We don’t want to suggest that trade is bad, but it is worth highlighting that the actual views of the experts who study these issues are much more nuanced than what the “pop internationalists” often spew out.

For example, a new paper by Daron Acemoglu, David Autor, David Dorn, Gordon H Hanson, and Brendan Price estimates that the sharp increase in bilateral trade between China and the US cost somewhere between 2 and 2.4 million jobs between 1999 and 2011 — about 1 percent of the entire civilian population in 2011. Less than half of those jobs were in manufacturing sectors that directly competed with Chinese businesses.

We want to focus on the new paper, but not before emphasising that it is just the latest product of recent research showing that trade with China, and by extension with other low-wage countries, has cost Americans jobs, increased government spending, and permanently lowered wages for people forced out of well-paying manufacturing employment.

One the earlier studies also found that there has been essentially no net job growth in US industries exposed to international competition since 1990. Instead, most of the net employment gains came from the growth of sectors where it is either impossible to measure productivity (government, healthcare, finance) or where productivity can be estimated and has been found absent (construction).

We certainly don’t wish to ignore the favourable effects of trade: the industrial base that did survive became more productive, while much poorer people on the other side of the world benefited tremendously at the expense of middle-class Americans.

But back to the new paper, whose key innovation is to create a comprehensive measure of the jobs lost as Chinese exports increasingly substituted for American-made products even in sectors completely unrelated to manufacturing.

The authors used two distinct methods and both produced similar estimates.

First, they studied the customers and suppliers of industries affected by Chinese competition:

For example, the chemical and fertilizer mining industry — which is in non-manufacturing — sells 74% of its output to the manufacturing sector. Its largest single manufacturing customer is industrial organic chemicals not elsewhere classified, which accounts for 15% of its sales.

Similarly, the iron and ferroalloy ores industry sells 83% of its output to the manufacturing sector, two thirds of which goes to the blast furnace and steel mill industry.

Accordingly, a shock to the demand for a given domestic manufactured good is likely to indirectly impact demand for, and reduce employment in, industries, whether in manufacturing or non-manufacturing, that supply inputs to the affected industry.

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Conversely, a trade shock to the suppliers of a given industry (e.g., the upstream suppliers of tires to the automobile industry) may also affect the industries that are its customers. The direction of this effect is generally ambiguous.

On the one hand, from the perspective of purchasing industries, the trade shock expands input supply and puts downward pressure on input prices, and thus may tend to expand employment in the industries that consume these inputs… On the other hand, the trade shock may destroy existing long-term relationships for specialized inputs as domestic input suppliers are driven out of business, creating a force towards contraction in the industries that were their customers.

This methodology led them to estimate cumulative employment losses of 2.62 million jobs from 1991 through 2011, of which 1.41 million were in manufacturing and 1.22 were in non-manufacturing but related to the manufacturing process. 1.98 million of those 2.62 million jobs were lost in 1999 to 2011, with manufacturing and downstream industries losing about 990,000 jobs each.

The second estimate was an attempt to consider the welfare of unrelated sectors of the economy that were particularly affected by China-induced de-industrialisation because of local employment effects. When the town steel mill shuts down, the neighborhood bar has trouble staying open, for example.

The economists did this by sorting mainland America’s 722 commuting zones according to how exposed their local economies were to low-cost manufacturing competition, either directly or because of the effects on downstream suppliers noted above.

They then divided employment into three basic categories: tradable sectors threatened by Chinese competition, tradable sectors that were isolated from Chinese competition (everything from farming to aerospace), and non-tradable sectors. The theory is that the tradable sectors ought to respond mostly to national and global economic conditions while the non-tradable sectors — hairdressers, restaurants, doctors, etc — are sensitive to local conditions.

(If this methodology sounds familiar, it is because they based it on the work done by Atif Mian and Amir Sufi to determine the impact of household indebtedness and asset price declines.)

In 1991, the tradable sector exposed to Chinese competition accounted for 20.2 per cent of US employment, the isolated tradable sector (mostly high-end manufacturing industries) accounted for 6.7 per cent of US employment, and the remaining 73.1 per cent of jobs were in non-tradable sectors.

Surprisingly, the economists were not able to find much of an impact on local employment in non-tradable sectors, although they did show that many of the people who lost their jobs in industries vulnerable to Chinese competition were unable to find new jobs elsewhere — a finding that fits with other things we know about the ability of downsized men to remain in the workforce:

These estimates suggest that employment gains through the sectoral reallocation effect are largely offset by negative aggregate demand effects…While our estimates suggest the presence of strong aggregate demand effects that limit employment gains in the non-exposed sectors of trade-exposed local labor markets, we would anticipate these local demand effects primarily impact employment in the non-traded sector rather than the non-exposed tradable sector.

Our results however provide scant evidence for differential employment impacts in the two non-exposed sectors.

Despite this, they still think that a comprehensive accounting of the negative impact of Chinese trade competition would be even bigger than their input-output based estimate:

Had import competition from China not increased after 1999, trade-exposed industries in local labor markets would have avoided the loss of 2.35 million jobs…The fact that employment effects on exposed industries in CZs are slightly larger than the direct and indirect effects of import competition in national industries is suggestive of negative local aggregate demand spillovers.

Such spillovers imply that [Keynesian] multipliers operating at the local level suppress demand in non-exposed industries as well, inducing further employment declines in trade-exposed industries.

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Combining figures from exposed and non-exposed industries, the overall local impact is 2.37 million jobs whose loss would have been averted absent further increases in Chinese import competition after 1999…This estimate is a lower bound on the aggregate total impact of increased import competition from China on national employment.

We see three takeaways.

First, free trade may be good overall, but as with most questions in economics, the really interesting questions have to do with the distribution rather than the average result. Many Americans have benefited from the slow and steady decline in the prices of durable goods since 1997 but that came at the cost of underemployment and lower standards of living for millions of their fellow citizens.

The ideal outcome would have been for the government to ease the suffering imposed on those who lost their jobs by taxing everyone else who saved so much money on their toys and gadgets, but there are many reasons why that was politically difficult.For example, the pop internationalists blunt the pressure to help because they claim it is easy to switch jobs and that unimpeded flows of goods and services have no downside.

Second, as the economists imply in their paper, there were other significant costs associated with the Chinese import penetration.

US employment growth, while significantly worse than it otherwise would have been, was also surprisingly stronger than the economists would have predicted because domestic demand for services and housing partly — and only temporarily — offset the widening gulf between imports and exports.

That demand was made possible by excessive household borrowing, which is why Dan Davies convincingly argued that much of what we think of as “secular stagnation” was really just the inevitable consequence of embracing free trade while relying on monetary policy to sustain total spending.

The final takeaway is more positive: the era of massive job losses induced by trade with China may be coming to a close. Thanks to a combination of wage inflation and slowing productivity growth in China, combined with the shale boom and lower transit costs to get products to the domestic market, US manufacturers are now about as competitive as Chinese ones, according to the Boston Consulting Group:

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Tellingly, the US’s yawning bilateral trade deficit with China (in goods only) seems to have stopped growing since 2012. The negative impact of globalization may soon end, if hasn’t ended already.

Now all we need to worry about are the machines.
 
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Without having studied the TPP, I feel the TPP is like the continental blockade by Napoleon against UK.

Right now Japan, Vietnam, chile, Singapore, Australia, Taiwan, South Korea, Malaysia are all major trade partners of China, we are either number one export or import for them, and some both.

While the rest that I didn't list, including the US have major trade activities with China and interests and as do we within them.

We are the number one trading nation and increasing the gap, we are soon to be number one economic within a decade, and within become semi developed.




So why do you think TPP will work in its ultimate goal of containing China's rise, or even destroy it. I mean if you did think it would work.

Let's assume that's the goal, humor me, it's not like this is the first time that has been brought up.

So how would this work any better than Napoleon's continental blockade? I mean artificially blocking off the most powerful trade nation has never worked before why would it work now....
 
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Without having studied the TPP, I feel the TPP is like the continental blockade by Napoleon against UK.
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So why do you think TPP will work in its ultimate goal of containing China's rise, or even destroy it. I mean if you did think it would work.

Let's assume that's the goal, humor me, it's not like this is the first time that has been brought up.

So how would this work any better than Napoleon's continental blockade? I mean artificially blocking off the most powerful trade nation has never worked before why would it work now....

What? I never claimed that the TPP's goal is to contain or destroy China. Where did you get that idea? TPP is a trade deal between countries, not a customs union that will force member states to change their trade agreements with China, and it is certainly not a military alliance. Are you thinking of something else?

TPP and TTIP are to replace the failed GATT/WTO track that various NAM countries feel the need to blow up to pander to their domestic interest groups. The US got tired of waiting, so we broke down the gigantic trade deals into smaller regional ones (TPP and TTIP). Why wasn't China included? Probably for the same reason that India wasn't included--our basis for negotiation is so far apart, that it would slow down the process by years.

Please let me know why you think the TPP is aimed against China, since the reasoning behind that idea escapes me.
 
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What? I never claimed that the TPP's goal is to contain or destroy China. Where did you get that idea? TPP is a trade deal between countries, not a customs union that will force member states to change their trade agreements with China, and it is certainly not a military alliance. Are you thinking of something else?

TPP and TTIP are to replace the failed GATT/WTO track that various NAM countries feel the need to blow up to pander to their domestic interest groups. The US got tired of waiting, so we broke down the gigantic trade deals into smaller regional ones (TPP and TTIP). Why wasn't China included? Probably for the same reason that India wasn't included--our basis for negotiation is so far apart, that it would slow down the process by years.

Please let me know why you think the TPP is aimed against China, since the reasoning behind that idea escapes me.

I never said you claim it to be.

But to me, it feels the reasons for not wanting China in, or China not wanting to go in, can also be applied to a few nations involved, including, but not limiting to Japan, and Vietnam who let's not pretend really face the same developing nation problems that we do.

While yes, this isn't the continental blockade in the sense US is saying don't buy China, but it is more or less a modern version of it. Just like today we don't call it colonies, we call it investment hubs.

That's just me though.


But if you feel that strongly and thus cannot continue the conversation on these assumptions, you can simply ignore those assumptions and say do you think it would work given the trade interests and power of China with the involved nations by having a pact that doesn't include China.
 
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I never said you claim it to be.

But to me, it feels the reasons for not wanting China in, or China not wanting to go in, can also be applied to a few nations involved, including, but not limiting to Japan, and Vietnam who let's not pretend really face the same developing nation problems that we do.

While yes, this isn't the continental blockade in the sense US is saying don't buy China, but it is more or less a modern version of it. Just like today we don't call it colonies, we call it investment hubs.

That's just me though.


But if you feel that strongly and thus cannot continue the conversation on these assumptions, you can simply ignore those assumptions and say do you think it would work given the trade interests and power of China with the involved nations by having a pact that doesn't include China.

I have trouble conceptualizing how trade liberalization agreements can be aimed at undermining other countries. This relates to something we discussed in other threads, but China seems fixated on a zero-sum viewpoint, in that if China isn't gaining, it's losing, and thus a trade deal that doesn't benefit China must therefore mean that it is meant to undermine China; the reality is that it has nothing to do with China, and doesn't prevent China from pursuing its own trade deals. Why doesn't China start its own trade liberalization negotiations, offering even better terms? (We know the answer, that was a rhetorical point).

I'll leave it there. I can't speak to "why do I think TPP will work in its ultimate goal of containing China's rise, or even destroy it," because I don't believe in the premise that the TPP is aimed at, or even involves, China, any more than NAFTA was aimed at China, or TTIP is aimed at China.
 
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http://ftalphaville.ft.com/2014/08/29/1951581/more-on-the-us-china-bilateral-trade-balance/

More on the US-China bilateral trade balance
Matthew C Klein | Aug 29 18:40 | Comment |
As a brief follow-up to yesterday’s post on the impact of US trade with China on US employment and incomes, we thought it would be useful to visualize a few interesting facts about the evolution of the bilateral trade balance over time.

First, look at how the deficit in the trade of goods swamps the modest surplus in the trade of services. Whilst the data on services are annual and stop in 2012, the general picture would probably not look much different even if it were more up to date:

US-China-bilateral-trade-balance-590x393.png


(Sources: US Census Bureau and OECD)

The data on the trade in goods alone, however, comes out every month. Since the data are very seasonal, we took rolling 12-month sums to show how imports and exports netted out:

US-China-bilateral-trade-in-goods-590x365.png


As you can see, the deficit grew relentlessly until the recession began in the fall of 2007. As the US economy recovered, the imbalance widened modestly until the beginning of 2013 and has been basically flat since then.

In the chart below, we plotted the annual changes in gross trade flows so that you can compare them to the change in the overall trade balance:

US-China-bilateral-trade-in-goods-annual-changes-590x383.png


Before the downturn, growth in both imports and exports was rapid. As the US economy weakened, the bilateral trade balance began to grow more slowly and then to shrink outright as US import demand contracted. China’s economy slowed down shortly thereafter, which explains the brief drop in US exports to China.

China’s stimulus policies kicked in more quickly than America’s, so exports to China jumped up before import growth returned.

By the end of 2011, however, the growth of both imports and exports had settled into a slow and steady pace. The major expansion of bilateral trade that characterized the pre-crisis period seems to have ended.

About 18 months ago, something very unusual began to occur: the growth of US exports to China accelerated even as import demand remained steady. That combination has held the bilateral deficit (in goods) roughly constant.

We wondered how much of this improvement could be explained by the explosion of US exports of petroleum products thanks to the shale boom. At first glance it looks very impressive:

US-exports-of-petroleum-to-China-590x376.png


(Source: US Energy Information Administration)

However, 50 million barrels a year (or roughly $5 billion with the price of oil around $100 a barrel) is pretty insignificant in the grand scheme of things. It also is tiny relative to total US petroleum exports of roughly 1.5 billion barrels a year.

Something else must be going on. Perhaps the convergence in Chinese and US manufacturing costs that we discussed yesterday is finally starting to make a real difference. Whatever it is, something to watch.
 
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http://ftalphaville.ft.com/2014/08/29/1951581/more-on-the-us-china-bilateral-trade-balance/

More on the US-China bilateral trade balance
Matthew C Klein | Aug 29 18:40 | Comment |
As a brief follow-up to yesterday’s post on the impact of US trade with China on US employment and incomes, we thought it would be useful to visualize a few interesting facts about the evolution of the bilateral trade balance over time.

First, look at how the deficit in the trade of goods swamps the modest surplus in the trade of services. Whilst the data on services are annual and stop in 2012, the general picture would probably not look much different even if it were more up to date:

US-China-bilateral-trade-balance-590x393.png


(Sources: US Census Bureau and OECD)

The data on the trade in goods alone, however, comes out every month. Since the data are very seasonal, we took rolling 12-month sums to show how imports and exports netted out:

US-China-bilateral-trade-in-goods-590x365.png


As you can see, the deficit grew relentlessly until the recession began in the fall of 2007. As the US economy recovered, the imbalance widened modestly until the beginning of 2013 and has been basically flat since then.

In the chart below, we plotted the annual changes in gross trade flows so that you can compare them to the change in the overall trade balance:

US-China-bilateral-trade-in-goods-annual-changes-590x383.png


Before the downturn, growth in both imports and exports was rapid. As the US economy weakened, the bilateral trade balance began to grow more slowly and then to shrink outright as US import demand contracted. China’s economy slowed down shortly thereafter, which explains the brief drop in US exports to China.

China’s stimulus policies kicked in more quickly than America’s, so exports to China jumped up before import growth returned.

By the end of 2011, however, the growth of both imports and exports had settled into a slow and steady pace. The major expansion of bilateral trade that characterized the pre-crisis period seems to have ended.

About 18 months ago, something very unusual began to occur: the growth of US exports to China accelerated even as import demand remained steady. That combination has held the bilateral deficit (in goods) roughly constant.

We wondered how much of this improvement could be explained by the explosion of US exports of petroleum products thanks to the shale boom. At first glance it looks very impressive:

US-exports-of-petroleum-to-China-590x376.png


(Source: US Energy Information Administration)

However, 50 million barrels a year (or roughly $5 billion with the price of oil around $100 a barrel) is pretty insignificant in the grand scheme of things. It also is tiny relative to total US petroleum exports of roughly 1.5 billion barrels a year.

Something else must be going on. Perhaps the convergence in Chinese and US manufacturing costs that we discussed yesterday is finally starting to make a real difference. Whatever it is, something to watch.

This is, indeed, a concern. I would like to use Walmart as an example in illustrating US consumerism and production. Walmart has offshored most of the goods that it expects to sell and cater to the US buyer, all the goods are produced in China -- targetting the US market. I do know that there has been a trend for Walmart to develop stores in China in the aim to tap into the Chinese consumer market, but it has largely been met with China's own retail stores , preventing Walmart to fully capitalize on the Chinese market. There will come a point when the cost to export the products to the US becomes a strain -- that US corporations will eventually reconsider bringing manufacturing back to the US. At least this way, theoretically speaking, the capital goes back to the United States.

Very interesting possibility, i admit.

http://ftalphaville.ft.com/2014/08/29/1951581/more-on-the-us-china-bilateral-trade-balance/

More on the US-China bilateral trade balance


US-China-bilateral-trade-balance-590x393.png


(Sources: US Census Bureau and OECD)

The data on the trade in goods alone, however, comes out every month. Since the data are very seasonal, we took rolling 12-month sums to show how imports and exports netted out:

US-China-bilateral-trade-in-goods-590x365.png


As you can see, the deficit grew relentlessly until the recession began in the fall of 2007. As the US economy recovered, the imbalance widened modestly until the beginning of 2013 and has been basically flat since then.

In the chart below, we plotted the annual changes in gross trade flows so that you can compare them to the change in the overall trade balance:

US-China-bilateral-trade-in-goods-annual-changes-590x383.png

It is evident that bilateral trade between United States and China, overwhelmingly favors China.
 
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I always find it interesting the obsession of US analysts with China, while ignoring the other big elephant in the room.

China may be getting 19th century manufacturing jobs from the US, but India is siphoning off 21st century technology and middle management jobs.

I recently worked with an "American" company of 12,000 people, out of which 10,000 were in India. By some estimates IBM will have 80-90% of its technology workforce in India. Most of the big banks and telcos in Australia and the US have sent the lion's share of their technology jobs to India.

So many iconic "American" companies are "American" in name only, while sending all the 21st century jobs offshore. It will be interesting to see how this century unfolds...
 
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This is, indeed, a concern. I would like to use Walmart as an example in illustrating US consumerism and production. Walmart has offshored most of the goods that it expects to sell and cater to the US buyer, all the goods are produced in China -- targetting the US market. I do know that there has been a trend for Walmart to develop stores in China in the aim to tap into the Chinese consumer market, but it has largely been met with China's own retail stores , preventing Walmart to fully capitalize on the Chinese market. There will come a point when the cost to export the products to the US becomes a strain -- that US corporations will eventually reconsider bringing manufacturing back to the US. At least this way, theoretically speaking, the capital goes back to the United States.

Very interesting possibility, i admit.

I think some combination of patriotism and profit motive will see a gradual shift of manufacturing back to the US, but the open question is whether this becomes a permanent feature of multinational decision-making, or will only be a shallow pander to fend off populist protests. I think an equally important force will be China's relative lack of IP protection, and its surreal crack down on foreign firms using anti-monopoly laws. Some Chinese posters here have taken a Panglossian attitude towards stealing IP (and in fairness, several other Chinese posters have recognized the importance of reforming this area), but IP is the crown jewel of the economy, and if IP isn't protected, not only will American MNCs pull back, but Chinese MNCs may relocate as well, since they will be the first to suffer. Alibaba's IPO in NY instead of HK is an interesting development in this regard, even if it wasn't directly driven by IP considerations.

We know that Obama isn't going to do much to help American manufacturing. Even a tax amnesty on the repatriation of MNC capital held abroad (in the hundreds of billions of dollars) would be a nearly effortless way to boost the economy, and if it's coupled with manufacturing-specific incentives (i.e. tax free if invested in factories), all the better. If we can stop the tax inversion process (corporations relocating abroad to take advantage of more favorable tax rates) by lowering our own tax rates, that would be a great move as well. But these ideas are only a nice dream at the moment.

It is evident that bilateral trade between United States and China, overwhelmingly favors China.

Which is why China's hostility to the US would harm China much more than it would harm the US, but it is what it is. That is the irony of the mercantilist system: ultimately, the consuming country has more power, because it can consume from anywhere, while the exporter depends on the consuming economy's goodwill to keep the money flowing. I hope it doesn't come down to a trade war over this IP and anti-monopoly abuse.
 
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