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Discussing to death does not mean it wasn't a problem that did not factor on the heads of HAL when making this deal.
IAF not first Airforce and HAL is nor first firm which faced similar technical snag in their production series such Mishaps even occurred in many other reputed Aeronautical productions firm's in world even western.
HAL is Improving and upgrading its capacity upto western standards and it needs support from MOD which they are getting in MMRCA deal.
 
It doesn't, its actually a smart compromise that supposedly bends to Indian demands but in essence does nothing. All it says is that Dassault will be responsible ONLY for parts it makes alone or co-produced; whether in India or France. Any other screwup is India's problem.

The planted news about the JF-17 worked, the Indians have panicked..and the French got their little pinky right in the pie.

An example called Indian(HAL) made SU30-MKI ..devalues all your points.

Here I would like to bring it to you notice that Dassault's Engineer will do final quality check , before Aircraft is going to be handover to end user i.e IAF.
 
An example called Indian(HAL) made SU30-MKI ..devalues all your points.

Here I would like to bring it to you notice that Dassault's Engineer will do final quality check , before Aircraft is going to be handover to end user i.e IAF.

And if that Engineer finds a part made by HAL at fault, HAL will be responsible.. not Dassault. The whole thing will go into loss and Dassault will walk blame free.

IAF not first Airforce and HAL is nor first firm which faced similar technical snag in their production series such Mishaps even occurred in many other reputed Aeronautical productions firm's in world even western.
HAL is Improving and upgrading its capacity upto western standards and it needs support from MOD which they are getting in MMRCA deal.

That does not mean that HAL did not have the problem which caused it to improve.. but as Indians come..Sure, pat yourself on the back for that and feel good.
 
And if that Engineer finds a part made by HAL at fault, HAL will be responsible.. not Dassault. The whole thing will go into loss and Dassault will walk blame free.



That does not mean that HAL did not have the problem which caused it to improve.. but as Indians come..Sure, pat yourself on the back for that and feel good.
Problems is when if technical issue you mentioned persisted long the snag was resolved long Back by Russians themselves

I think it will be similar the people who drafted norms of this MMRCA deal are Smart people
they must looked out every possible matter one you mentioned and one you're not.
 
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And if that Engineer finds a part made by HAL at fault, HAL will be responsible.. not Dassault. The whole thing will go into loss and Dassault will walk blame free.



That does not mean that HAL did not have the problem which caused it to improve.. but as Indians come..Sure, pat yourself on the back for that and feel good.

First point this is not going to happen...To overcome this type of issue...We have lots of check and balance...That things cannot make public here.

Second point We have HAL made SU30-MKI as a shiny example with us.
 
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The planted news about the JF-17 worked, the Indians have panicked..and the French got their little pinky right in the pie.

Kind of cute how you try to give importance to the JF17, when you confirm often enough that PAF has not the money to make costly upgrades. So even IF there would be French stuff on offer, funds would be the biggest issue to start with. Not to forget that the French last time when these offers were rumored, were pressured by the US not to provide high techs with the fear that they could end up in Chinese hands. So these 2 points alone would make clear why India don't really need to bother about such reports. :rolleyes:

More importantly, when India would had panicked, logic tells us that we have fast tracked to seal the Rafale deal and that Dassault wouldn't need to move away from their earlier statements of not taking any responsibility. The opposite however happened!
MoD remains strict on not signing the deal without Dassault complying and Dassault now jumped to a compromise offer, to take partial responsibility, by being co-contractor. The devil however lies in the details of the offer and we will have to see how the MoD reacts to that offer, but it gets more than clear, that the JF17 has no relation here.

Discussing to death does not mean it wasn't a problem that did not factor on the heads of HAL when making this deal.

How does that relate in any way to HAL? HAL didn't made the deal , nor included parts in the first 50, since they were mainly assmbled by kits provided from Irkut. The fact that we have issue with the Russians MFDs and that HAL produced MKIs however use Samtel MFDs, plays even in favour for HAL, since it shows the importance of indigenizising the MKI with as much Indian parts as possible, to not be dependent on the quality of Russian parts.
 
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Kind of cute how you try to give importance to the JF17, when you confirm often enough that PAF has not the money to make costly upgrades. So even IF there would be French stuff on offer, funds would be the biggest issue to start with. Not to forget that the French last time when these offers were rumored, were pressured by the US not to provide high techs with the fear that they could end up in Chinese hands. So these 2 points alone would make clear why India don't really need to bother about such reports. :rolleyes:

More importantly, when India would had panicked, logic tells us that we have fast tracked to seal the Rafale deal and that Dassault wouldn't need to move away from their earlier statements of not taking any responsibility. The opposite however happened!
MoD remains strict on not signing the deal without Dassault complying and Dassault now jumped to a compromise offer, to take partial responsibility, by being co-contractor. The devil however lies in the details of the offer and we will have to see how the MoD reacts to that offer, but it gets more than clear, that the JF17 has no relation here.



How does that relate in any way to HAL? HAL didn't made the deal , nor included parts in the first 50, since they were mainly assmbled by kits provided from Irkut. The fact that we have issue with the Russians MFDs and that HAL produced MKIs however use Samtel MFDs, plays even in favour for HAL, since it shows the importance of indigenizising the MKI with as much Indian parts as possible, to not be dependent on the quality of Russian parts.

Sarcasm is not your strong suite; neither understanding it or making it.

As for the latter, Regardless of whether HAL made deal or not.. it shows that they were wary of being stuck with a manufacturing defect and having a manufacturer deny responsibility for it.
As I said before, if you wish to pat yourself on the back and feel good about it be my guest.. has little relevancy to the point I am making.
 
Don't buy this story about thunder upgrades from France panicing India.

India.s military potential is five to ten fold that if Pakistan as is it's financial muscle.

Any fool knows the Pakistanis can't afford expensive western upgrades for thunders.

The rafale deal will happen because both. The French and the Indians wil co.mpromise
 
Sarcasm is not your strong suite; neither understanding it or making it.
True I am prefer to point to the facts (as I did), but I was kind of surprised to see you coming up with such a baseless claim, that can't be related to what we see and hear right now from the officials of both sides.

As for the latter, Regardless of whether HAL made deal or not..it shows that they were wary of being stuck with a manufacturing defect and having a manufacturer deny responsibility for it.

First of all it does matter who made the deal, since that one would be responsible for any negative issues, secondly there is still no technical defect that you can relate to HAL, so what exactly are you blaming them for?
 

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