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With the multi-billion dollar contract for Rafale jets caught in the doldrums, the UK today hoped there would be an opportunity for the Eurofighter aircraft to get back into the race with a "very competitive bid".

However, the defence ministry here has made it clear that as per the Indian procurement rules, lateral entry is not allowed and the only way out if the negotiations with Rafale falls through is re-tendering.

"We are aware that the process of dealing with Dassault (the French manufacturer of Rafale) has not gone completely smoothly and there may be an opportunity for Eurofighter at some stage," British Foreign Minister Philip Hammond, who arrived in India yesterday on a two-day visit, told reporters at a press conference here.

He said that if the opportunity does arise, Eurofighter has a "very competitive offer" to make.

"We have been working very hard over the last couple of years to sharpen our aircraft to make sure that if the opportunity arises, we will be very well placed to bid," he said.

The British minister, however, made it clear that he has not raised the issue during his visit.

"I would not raise it because we respect the Indian procurement process. It would be wrong and improper to raise it at this time," he said.

The Rafale deal for 126 jets is estimated to cost over USD 20 billion over the next decade and is considered to be the biggest global defence tender.

India had chosen Dassault's Rafale over the Eurofighter Typhoon, which is built by a consortium of companies from the UK, Germany, Italy and Spain.

However, the final negotiations with Dassault have been stuck for the last three years.

"We have to let the process run its course," Hammond said adding while noting that India's official position is that this competition has not been opened up.

"But of course, if progress is not made, we anticipate there might be a point where the competition is opened up again for other bidders," he said, adding that the UK is looking forward to that in order to have an opportunity to present Eurofighter's bid.

With Rafale deal stuck, Eurofighter looks to swoop in | Business Standard News
 
Time to talk to Eurofighter team in parallel....France is not reliable at all Mistral Deal is big and Shining example in front of us.
 
No need for ED when lots of Air Superiority fighter programme going on

Super Sukoi
SU35S
FGFA

We need Rafale if deal goes smoothly. Or we better go for AMCA non stealthy and Stealthy variants in tandem with MK2 tejas. Just four more years for MK2 and 6-7 more years for AMCA . 5-7 years for PakFa /FGFA , 10 more years for SU35S . Even if Rafale deal goes thru it will take more than 2-3 years for 1st batch and 4-5 years for HAL produced Rafale.
Rafale would add much needed Multi role capabilities to the IAF
 
With the multi-billion dollar contract for Rafale jets caught in the doldrums, the UK today hoped there would be an opportunity for the Eurofighter aircraft to get back into the race with a "very competitive bid".

However, the defence ministry here has made it clear that as per the Indian procurement rules, lateral entry is not allowed and the only way out if the negotiations with Rafale falls through is re-tendering.

"We are aware that the process of dealing with Dassault (the French manufacturer of Rafale) has not gone completely smoothly and there may be an opportunity for Eurofighter at some stage," British Foreign Minister Philip Hammond, who arrived in India yesterday on a two-day visit, told reporters at a press conference here.

He said that if the opportunity does arise, Eurofighter has a "very competitive offer" to make.

"We have been working very hard over the last couple of years to sharpen our aircraft to make sure that if the opportunity arises, we will be very well placed to bid," he said.

The British minister, however, made it clear that he has not raised the issue during his visit.

"I would not raise it because we respect the Indian procurement process. It would be wrong and improper to raise it at this time," he said.

The Rafale deal for 126 jets is estimated to cost over USD 20 billion over the next decade and is considered to be the biggest global defence tender.

India had chosen Dassault's Rafale over the Eurofighter Typhoon, which is built by a consortium of companies from the UK, Germany, Italy and Spain.

However, the final negotiations with Dassault have been stuck for the last three years.

"We have to let the process run its course," Hammond said adding while noting that India's official position is that this competition has not been opened up.

"But of course, if progress is not made, we anticipate there might be a point where the competition is opened up again for other bidders," he said, adding that the UK is looking forward to that in order to have an opportunity to present Eurofighter's bid.

With Rafale deal stuck, Eurofighter looks to swoop in | Business Standard News
I think deal going through that's why we are seeing so much paid up articles these first ruskies now EUROPEANs
 
Rafale is going through, an agreement has been reached.
Dassault, HAL To Be Co-Contractors On Indian-Built Rafales | Defense content from Aviation Week

"This is the first time Dassault agrees to be a co-contractor," Dassault CEO Eric Trappier said following his company’s annual earnings conference March 11. "Dassault and HAL will both take responsibility for the part they will each build on the Rafale aircraft made in India," he continued, asserting the commitment is in line with the Indian government’s initial request for proposals under the Medium Multi-Role Combat Aircraft (MMRCA) tender.
 
Rafale is going through, an agreement has been reached.
Dassault, HAL To Be Co-Contractors On Indian-Built Rafales | Defense content from Aviation Week

"This is the first time Dassault agrees to be a co-contractor," Dassault CEO Eric Trappier said following his company’s annual earnings conference March 11. "Dassault and HAL will both take responsibility for the part they will each build on the Rafale aircraft made in India," he continued, asserting the commitment is in line with the Indian government’s initial request for proposals under the Medium Multi-Role Combat Aircraft (MMRCA) tender.

How does that solve the problem of 'Dassault' being the sole guarantor of work?
 
How does that solve the problem of 'Dassault' being the sole guarantor of work?
It doesn't, its actually a smart compromise that supposedly bends to Indian demands but in essence does nothing. All it says is that Dassault will be responsible ONLY for parts it makes alone or co-produced; whether in India or France. Any other screwup is India's problem.

The planted news about the JF-17 worked, the Indians have panicked..and the French got their little pinky right in the pie.
 
It doesn't, its actually a smart compromise that supposedly bends to Indian demands but in essence does nothing. All it says is that Dassault will be responsible ONLY for parts it makes alone or co-produced; whether in India or France. Any other screwup is India's problem.

The planted news about the JF-17 worked, the Indians have panicked..and the French got their little pinky right in the pie.
Even sukhoi Mki jv is all about same technical points did you ever find that HaL messed-up in tot or
The sukhoi Mki manufacturered
By HAL are less potent than ones that Russians delivered.

Only concern where deal was stuck is on guarantee part of 108 the rafale's manufactured in HAL. DASSAULT was not keen on giving guarantee on its parts produced in India now they agreed on the same. So they take there step back from their previous stand.
 
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It doesn't, its actually a smart compromise that supposedly bends to Indian demands but in essence does nothing. All it says is that Dassault will be responsible ONLY for parts it makes alone or co-produced; whether in India or France. Any other screwup is India's problem.

The planted news about the JF-17 worked, the Indians have panicked..and the French got their little pinky right in the pie.

But therein lies the irony, every part that India does end up manufacturing, will need to be supervised and overseen by Dassault, meaning initially all responsibility is all on Dassault. But i guess, given their standards, they won't sign up on work done unsatisfactorily. But behold, this is just a slow creep start, wonder how many more hiccups are gonna be there once the project actually starts and it comes to making payments?

Or maybe they can setup up a joint holding company, which would be legally liable within India and take all responsibility, with guarantees, in case of India, guarantee by HAL/GoI and in case of Dassault's holding, by Dassault/French government. How would that work?
 
Even sukhoi Mki jv is all about same technical points did you ever find that HaL messed-up in tot or
The sukhoi Mki manufacturered
By HAL are less potent than ones that Russians delivered.

Only concern where deal was stuck is on guarantee part of 108 the rafale's manufactured in HAL. DASSAULT was not keen on giving guarantee on its parts produced in India now they agreed on the same. So they take there step back from their previous stand.

The MFD on the MKIs that shut off midflight is a fiasco that HAL wants to avoid on the Rafales
 
It doesn't, its actually a smart compromise that supposedly bends to Indian demands but in essence does nothing. All it says is that Dassault will be responsible ONLY for parts it makes alone or co-produced; whether in India or France. Any other screwup is India's problem.

The planted news about the JF-17 worked, the Indians have panicked..and the French got their little pinky right in the pie.
Yea rite...

i don't think any sane head would have believed any thing about the Jf17 avionics.

All this drama was to get the price point incentives from dassault, we see this everyday for capital equipment acquisitions. These strong arm tactics are industry norm.
 
Yea rite...

i don't think any sane head would have believed any thing about the Jf17 avionics.

All this drama was to get the price point incentives from dassault, we see this everyday for capital equipment acquisitions. These strong arm tactics are industry norm.

Sane heads are not the issue, its the less than sane ones who can call, prod, pick the media.. and so on.
 
Even sukhoi Mki jv is all about same technical points did you ever find that HaL messed-up in tot or
The sukhoi Mki manufacturered
By HAL are less potent than ones that Russians delivered.

Complete BS.
Only concern where deal was stuck is on guarantee part of 108 the rafale's manufactured in HAL. DASSAULT was not keen on giving guarantee on its parts produced in India now they agreed on the same. So they take there step back from their previous stand.

DB has to back up subsytems which are transferred by it, this is not a vave project but a transfer of technology project, thus if a subsystem that goes through the standard work specified by DB and eventually has a warranty or concession claim, it is dassault'ss responsibility to ensure that Pfmea and dfmea processes were followed for the process implemented by HAL. In other words, every assembly line will have a Dassault certification process, and if it goes through it and comes up with a problem, dassault needs to back it up.

Sane heads are not the issue, its the less than sane ones who can call, prod, pick the media.. and so on.
if anything it worked for India then, if the plant worked DB would have been under excess pressure that it will lose out.
 

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