Why the sikhs had no desire for a independent sikh state in the 1940s?

[hussain0216]

Why did the sikhs not have any desire fir a independent sikh kingdom during the 1940s?

an independent sikh state would be independent, not part of Pakistan nor India but could choosh friendship with both

a independent sikh kingdom

Pakistani west Punjab was muslim majority as was Lahore and off limits but a east punjab with a sikh majority after Partition was a reality

Jinnah didnt offer annexation just support for a independent sikh Kingdom

so a independent sikh kingdom
their own government
their own state
their own laws
their own flag
their own identity
their own army with sikh symbols
their own airforce
ruled by sikhs for sikhs

at peace with both Pakistan and india


why choosh minority status with the risk of any flare-up resulting in the minority being pissed on like the sikhs were in the 1980s

the sikhs had a kingdom for a shortwhile in the 1700s this would have been the modern sikh manifestation of that Kingdom recognised by Pakistan, india and even the U.N

plenty of small states have flourished a sikh state could have too, why choosh minority status among 1.3 billion


the above was a reply in another thread but I thought the question deserved its own thread

 

[Stephen Cohen]

The Concept of a SMALL Independent State which is situated in Between
two Large states is IMPRACTICAL ; especially if it is LAND LOCKED

So an Independent Kashmir and a Sikh state would not have survived

Sikhs were able to SEE through this false concept being peddled to them

They were aware that Pakistan would attack and try to conquer it at the First
opportunity

 

[hussain0216]

The Concept of a SMALL Independent State which is situated in Between
two Large states is IMPRACTICAL ; especially if it is LAND LOCKED

So an Independent Kashmir and a Sikh state would not have survived

Sikhs were able to SEE through this false concept being peddled to them

They were aware that Pakistan would attack and try to conquer it at the First
opportunity

No its not there are loads of examples Switzerland, Austria, Slovakia, Luxembourg, Israel the list goes on

Kashmir is not the topic it was a muslim majority state that should be part of Pakistan hence the 70 years of emnity

 

[Stephen Cohen]

No its not there are loads of examples Switzerland, Austria, Slovakia, Luxembourg, Israel the list goes on

Israel is not land locked

The case of European countries are totally different from South Asia

The History of SIkhs and Muslims is also full of conflicts and bloodshed

SO why would they TRUST Pakistan
And Hinduism has many similarities with Sikhism

Hence they Preferred India

 

[Areesh]

Sikhs and Hindus both have animosity with Muslims.

A common enemy is enough to keep both united.

 

[hussain0216]

Israel is not land locked

The case of European countries are totally different from South Asia

The History of SIkhs and Muslims is also full of conflicts and bloodshed

SO why would they TRUST Pakistan
And Hinduism has many similarities with Sikhism

Hence they Preferred India

Jinnah already offered them a secure route to the sea through Pakistan, but even if thry didn't trust Pakistan they had a route through India

all the rest still applies they could have had their own independent sikh kingdom, with flags, self rule and all and they chose minority status and suffered the fate of a minority when it falls out with the majority in the 1980s

there are plenty of tiny states and landlocked states that exist

Sikhs and Hindus both have animosity with Muslims.

A common enemy is enough to keep both united.

Sure and we hate them

but that didn't stop the sikhs being pissed upon in the 1980s

why be so ball less as to not consider freedom and independence

 

[Areesh]

Sure and we hate them

but that didn't stop the sikhs being pissed upon in the 1980s

why be so ball less as to not consider freedom and independence

Well those guys from 80's or khalistanis are outliers or believe that they are too good and warrior enough to handle muslims on their own and don't need help from Hindus to counter Muslims.

A great majority of sikhs is not like that.

 

[Lil Mathew]

Why did the sikhs not have any desire fir a independent sikh kingdom during the 1940s?

an independent sikh state would be independent, not part of Pakistan nor India but could choosh friendship with both

a independent sikh kingdom

Pakistani west Punjab was muslim majority as was Lahore and off limits but a east punjab with a sikh majority after Partition was a reality

Jinnah didnt offer annexation just support for a independent sikh Kingdom

so a independent sikh kingdom
their own government
their own state
their own laws
their own flag
their own identity
their own army with sikh symbols
their own airforce
ruled by sikhs for sikhs

at peace with both Pakistan and india


why choosh minority status with the risk of any flare-up resulting in the minority being pissed on like the sikhs were in the 1980s

the sikhs had a kingdom for a shortwhile in the 1700s this would have been the modern sikh manifestation of that Kingdom recognised by Pakistan, india and even the U.N

plenty of small states have flourished a sikh state could have too, why choosh minority status among 1.3 billion


the above was a reply in another thread but I thought the question deserved its own thread

You are getting these doubt because you are thinking narrowly on the base of religion.. If one thinks on the base of language, India must divided to 22 countries.. If one thinks on the base of culture ,there will be more than 25 countries out of India..
India is as one, because of our ability to think broadly above religion,caste,language, culture etc.. The whole nation is united only because of one name INDIA..

 

[Indika]

Israel is not land locked

The case of European countries are totally different from South Asia

The History of SIkhs and Muslims is also full of conflicts and bloodshed

SO why would they TRUST Pakistan
And Hinduism has many similarities with Sikhism

Hence they Preferred India

Yup, I dont know why some ppl think that they can use sikhs against India. Only ppl who dont know the history of khalsa's origin indulge in such fairy tale endings.
Second expecting everyone to be just like them is ridiculous, buddhists,parsis,bahai's all should be fighting for their own kingdoms......err sorry so for their own country. Religions are for satisfying spiritual needs and country for security needs.
Sikhs infact being in a minority are more progressive and enjoy greater prosperity than the majority community. Infact it should be the majority community which should be protesting for giving sikhs important posts in govt not the other way around.

As they say jaundiced mind sees yellow every where, some ppl simply cannot see the truth. bcos then there very basic existence will be questioned.

 

[Mamluk]

The case of European countries are totally different from South Asia

The History of SIkhs and Muslims is also full of conflicts and bloodshed

That is so contradictory.

The history of European states is far far more bloodier, for far longer, than that between Muslims and Sikhs.

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Also, Indian Republic killed far more Sikh civilians during the riots than Emperor Aurangzeb could have ever managed in his lifetime!

 

[Indika]

Well those guys from 80's or khalistanis are outliers or believe that they are too good and warrior enough to handle muslims on their own and don't need help from Hindus to counter Muslims.

A great majority of sikhs is not like that.

well I suppose then this also holds good, after partition muslims on the other side have become so weak that without ummah they cannot handle any thing.

Sikhs and Hindus both have animosity with Muslims.

A common enemy is enough to keep both united.

oops , you missed the buddhists, jains, parsis, christians...etc. do they all have animosity with muslims?

 

[Areesh]

well I suppose then this also holds good, after partition muslims on the other side have become so weak that without ummah they cannot handle any thing.

Don't know. We handled you well. Even today you are limited to threats or using TTP.

oops , you missed the buddhists, jains, parsis, christians...etc. do they all have animosity with muslims?

Well at least chrisitans of North East have animosity with Hindus and hence the north east insurgency.

Anyways whatever you said is typical bharati chawal and I am sure even you don't know what you are talking about.

 

[ZenBird]

@hussain0216 First of all you said "we" hate them. Based on the amount of mutual love and respect that I get with interacting with Pakistanis on this forum I'm pretty sure that Pakistanis don't hate Sikhs, you're just a bigoted outlier.

@save_ghenda @Rajput Warrior @friendly_troll96 @RazaGujjar @Samurai_assassin


Alright coming to the question, Sikhs were fleeced by Nehru and Master Tara Singh by promising to give them special status much like Kashmiris and that promise was later reneged which partly led to Punjabi Suba agitation, Khalistan movement et all. I'm pretty sure that if there was a referendum in 1947, Sikhs would have elected independence. Now there is no point, India and Pakistan have had almost 70 years of hateful coexistence, Punjab has been divided into a tiny fraction of its previous size, the youth have been weakened by drug addictions while the cream of the crop have immigrated abroad.

Sikhs were able to SEE through this false concept being peddled to them

Don't read the gibberish posted by this random capitalizing ignoramus lol

 

[Indika]

Don't know. We handled you well. Even today you are limited to threats or using TTP.

Nice imagination thats the reason why pakistan could not eliminate TTP. The hatred in mind always ends up destroying the rational thinking.

Well at least chrisitans of North East have animosity with Hindus and hence the north east insurgency.

Anyways whatever you said is typical bharati chawal and I am sure even you don't know what you are talking about.

Well if you dint know that they are tribals not hard core christians good luck with that.

I dont want to respond to rhetorics and waste my time.

 

[Areesh]

Nice imagination thats the reason why pakistan could not eliminate TTP. The hatred in mind always ends up destroying the rational thinking.

We are fighting TTP. Just like you are fighting maoists since 1967. It takes time. You Indians know about it better than us.

Well if you dint know that they are tribals not hard core christians good luck with that.

I dont want to respond to rhetorics and waste my time.

I don't know what is your definition of hard core but those militants are hard core enough to fight you and your army.