Why the Chinese support the Communist party

[Bullhead]

Communists believed that they knew the truth, absolutely. They believed that they knew through Marxism what would bring about the greatest human welfare and happiness. And they believed that power, the dictatorship of the proletariat, must be used to tear down the old feudal or capitalist order and rebuild society and culture to realize this utopia. Nothing must stand in the way of its achievement. Government--the Communist Party--was thus above any law. All institutions, cultural norms, traditions, and sentiments were expendable. And the people were as though lumber and bricks, to be used in building the new world.

Constructing this utopia was seen as though a war on poverty, exploitation, imperialism, and inequality. And for the greater good, as in a real war, people are killed. And thus this war for the communist utopia had its necessary enemy casualties, the clergy, bourgeoisie, capitalists, wreckers, counterrevolutionaries, rightists, tyrants, rich, landlords, and noncombatants that unfortunately got caught in the battle. In a war millions may die, but the cause may be well justified, as in the defeat of Hitler and an utterly racist Nazism. And to many communists, the cause of a communist utopia was such as to justify all the deaths. The irony of this is that communism in practice, even after decades of total control, did not improve the lot of the average person, but usually made their living conditions worse than before the revolution. It is not by chance that the greatest famines have occurred within the Soviet Union (about 5,000,000 dead during 1921-23 and 7,000,000 from 1932-3) and communist China (about 27,000,000 dead from 1959-61). In total almost 55,000,000 people died in various communist famines and associated diseases, a little over 10,000,000 of them from democidal famine. This is as though the total population of Turkey, Iran, or Thailand had been completely wiped out. And that something like 35,000,000 people fled communist countries as refugees, as though the countries of Argentina or Columbia had been totally emptied of all their people, was an unparalleled vote against the utopian pretensions of Marxism-Leninism.

But communists could not be wrong. After all, their knowledge was scientific, based on historical materialism, an understanding of the dialectical process in nature and human society, and a materialist (and thus realistic) view of nature. Marx has shown empirically where society has been and why, and he and his interpreters proved that it was destined for a communist end. No one could prevent this, but only stand in the way and delay it at the cost of more human misery. Those who disagreed with this world view and even with some of the proper interpretations of Marx and Lenin were, without a scintilla of doubt, wrong. After all, did not Marx or Lenin or Stalin or Mao say that. . . . In other words, communism was like a fanatical religion. It had its revealed text and chief interpreters. It had its priests and their ritualistic prose with all the answers. It had a heaven, and the proper behavior to reach it. It had its appeal to faith. And it had its crusade against nonbelievers.

 

[oct605032048]

yes do pour your hatred and blames to communism and carefully hide your fear. We don't care how Indian look china, for me I support communist party is not because it is communist but because it is not and it fight for china's interests and will not easily give up china's rights to foreign powers, you may take the so called aksai chin for example.

by the way, you do have a bullhead.

 

[Bullhead]

Although the mass media present China today as “progressive,” especially after the 2008 Olympics fanfare, it remains among the world’s cruelest regimes.

The term “Red China” is not anachronistic. Though certainly less oppressive than during the Cultural Revolution, when it executed millions, China is still governed by a single regime, the Communist Party, which requires members to be atheists. It imprisons dissidents without due process, oppresses Tibet, and enforces a policy, backed by compulsory abortion, restricting most families to one child. (Since Chinese traditionally prefer male offspring, this has led to disproportionate abortion — even infanticide — of female babies, creating an artificial majority of males in China.) The government directly controls most media, blocking criticisms of itself on the Internet.

Perhaps worst is suppression of religious freedom. Christian churches, though permitted, must submit to government control and censorship — either as part of the Three-Self Patriotic Movement or Chinese Patriotic Catholic Association. Independent house churches, comprising some 90 percent of China’s Christians, face persecution. The Voice of the Martyrs reports:

The human rights record in China is one of the worst in the world. Its system of “re-education through labor” detains hundreds of thousands each year in work camps without even a court hearing.... The house church movement (unregistered churches) endures unimaginable persecution, yet stands on its commitment to preach the gospel, no matter the cost. China continued its crackdown against Christians and missionaries in 2008, as they sought to purge the country of religion before hosting the Olympic games.... Church property and Bibles were confiscated. Christians were harassed, questioned, arrested and imprisoned. Christians in prisons are routinely beaten and abused.

 

[grey boy 2]

Is this from your well trusted source=Car Wash Guys too ?

Hey, Bullhead, can you tell me why something like this could be

allowed as a normal practice in India under your so called

Great democracy, is that part of your freedom too?

please enlighten us "poor communist."
Asia Sentinel - Hidden Darkness: Child Sexual Abuse in India

Whats the matter with you "Bullhead"?, some issues like this will not

go away even you turn a blind eye on it, no GUT to address it ?

We, poor communist still waiting for you to enlighten us !!

 

[Bullhead]

Communism is just a fantasy that the leaders in China refuse to break though the country has turned capitalism materially.

China now is a captalist country run by a group of smart communists who has loose control over the local fake communists.

PS. Governmental positions are only reserved for the people who are communists and that's why so many people in this country would like to qualify and claim themsevles communists.

 

[conworldus]

Although the mass media present China today as “progressive,” especially after the 2008 Olympics fanfare, it remains among the world’s cruelest regimes.

The term “Red China” is not anachronistic. Though certainly less oppressive than during the Cultural Revolution, when it executed millions, China is still governed by a single regime, the Communist Party, which requires members to be atheists. It imprisons dissidents without due process, oppresses Tibet, and enforces a policy, backed by compulsory abortion, restricting most families to one child. (Since Chinese traditionally prefer male offspring, this has led to disproportionate abortion — even infanticide — of female babies, creating an artificial majority of males in China.) The government directly controls most media, blocking criticisms of itself on the Internet.

Perhaps worst is suppression of religious freedom. Christian churches, though permitted, must submit to government control and censorship — either as part of the Three-Self Patriotic Movement or Chinese Patriotic Catholic Association. Independent house churches, comprising some 90 percent of China’s Christians, face persecution. The Voice of the Martyrs reports:

The human rights record in China is one of the worst in the world. Its system of “re-education through labor” detains hundreds of thousands each year in work camps without even a court hearing.... The house church movement (unregistered churches) endures unimaginable persecution, yet stands on its commitment to preach the gospel, no matter the cost. China continued its crackdown against Christians and missionaries in 2008, as they sought to purge the country of religion before hosting the Olympic games.... Church property and Bibles were confiscated. Christians were harassed, questioned, arrested and imprisoned. Christians in prisons are routinely beaten and abused.

Still, our Human Rights situation is light years ahead of India, where you have uncheck police brutality, widespread children starvation, brutal suppression of various minorities, massacre against Muslims, prevalent persecution of the Dalits.....

Please. Wipe your own ***** clean before you talk crap about us.

 

[Bullhead]

China defends its handling of human rights under the glare of international scrutiny this week, while homegrown activists are waging their own scrappier battle over secretive detentions in the nation's capital.

A meeting of the U.N. Human Rights Council starting in Geneva on Monday gives groups and governments a chance to press Beijing on secretive executions and jailed dissidents as well as labour camps and other forms of detention.

Yet contention over China's restrictions on its citizens is not confined to international conference rooms. Activists at home have also been galvanised, most recently against what locals call "black jails" -- detention centres holding protesters without official procedures or right to appeal.

"These black jails are clearly against the law. But local officials call them legal study classes, and that shows how they treat the law as just a tool for abusing rights," said Zhang Jianping, an activist in eastern Jiangsu province who runs a website focused on grassroots rights issues.

Despite the ruling Communist Party's censorship and crackdowns on dissent, demands for rights are spreading throughout this increasingly diverse and fractious society.

Some rights advocates said the detentions should be a top issue at the three-day U.N. "universal periodic review" of China, which opens while some countries may be more focused on Beijing's potential role in reviving the global economy.

"In a sense, this is the biggest human rights issue, because it involves so many people, it's so widespread, and it's so lacking in legal justification," said Xu Zhiyong, a Beijing law lecturer and rights advocate who has organised "guerrilla" citizen rescues of detained petitioners.

"LAW EDUCATION CLASS"

Zheng Dajing, from central Hubei province, said the detention centre he was held in was called a "law education class" on banners inside its small grounds. But there were no textbooks or lectures in the disused tobacco-buying station in his home county of Yunxi that he said became his jail for over a year.

"A banner inside said it was for us to learn about the legal system. But there was no study or law in there," said Zheng, a plump 46-year-old former bank clerk whose grievances snowballed from a row over home ownership.

"The guards spent all day playing mahjong and cards."

He was one of many tens of thousands of citizens who every year travel to Beijing to complain at government "petitions and appeals" offices promising to help settle citizens' grievances.

But few complaints are resolved and the petitioners' rancour and persistence often deepen. Local governments sometimes use police and hired thugs to lure, cajole or drag petitioners away from government offices, where their complaints may embarrass local leaders and stain their promotion prospects.

The aggrieved farmers, workers and pensioners are then held in the unadvertised detention centres, many on Beijing's southern outskirts and the backroads of other cities and towns. Zheng said he was hauled into one such "black jail" in the capital, driven back to one in his hometown and locked up until late last year.

"Local leaders want to protect themselves, so they try to hide us away, hide away our complaints," said Zheng.

His claims were echoed by eight petitioners interviewed by Reuters. They spoke of cramped, dank, sometimes violent holding yards or rooms, often run by bosses who charge local governments to keep inmates out of sight for days, weeks or months.

When called by Reuters, Yan Zhiping, the police chief of Yunxi, denied petitioners were detained there in a "law education" centre and said they were all treated with "civility".

But three petitioners from Yunxi, found independently of Zheng, said they were also held in the one-time tobacco station.

"The police told me I was there to learn the law. But they're the ones who need to learn the law," said Yuan Rongbao, a middle-aged ex-soldier from Yunxi who said he was also held in the station for a week last year after going to Beijing to complain about the demolition of his home.

FIGHTING WITH VIDEO AND THE INTERNET

China says in its report to the U.N. meeting that it strictly limits detentions. A chorus of Chinese lawyers and activists disagrees, and now they are challenging the petitioner jails.

Since last year, Xu, the rights advocate, and an expanding team of volunteers have been descending unannounced on some of Beijing's dozen or more bigger petitioner jails, often kept down isolated byways, to demand the release of detainees.

In one recent raid, 30 clean-cut protesters waved copies of China's laws against unlawful jailing and aimed video cameras at startled guards. Accounts and footage of their protests have spread over the Internet, and with other critical reports they are raising pressure on officials, said Xu.

"The black jails are still there and are still totally illegal, but we think their violence has fallen and they don't beat us up like they did when we started," he said. Rattled officials have sometimes released petitioners, he added.

At peak times, such as during major political meetings, the larger "underground" detention centres in Beijing alone hold many hundreds, waiting to be shunted out of the capital, he estimated.

Teng Biao, a Beijing rights lawyer who has also joined the campaign against the petitioner jails, said fighting such abuses needed both domestic and international activism.

"We need external pressure and scrutiny," he said. "But the real improvements will need domestic breakthroughs, domestic campaigns. Without that, human rights can't lay down firm roots."

China human rights record stirs struggle at home | World | Reuters

 

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Still, our Human Rights situation is light years ahead of India, where you have uncheck police brutality, widespread children starvation, brutal suppression of various minorities, massacre against Muslims, prevalent persecution of the Dalits.....

Please. Wipe your own ***** clean before you talk crap about us.

let it be.

After a second thought, i believe we should let A3 believe what they want to believe, as long as their stupid did not harm womende interests, it is ok.

 

[Bullhead]

The US Congressional-Executive Commission on China has released its 2009 Annual Report on human rights and the rule of law in China, together with case records of 1,279 political prisoners currently detained or imprisoned there.

The wide-ranging report found that, since the 2008 uprisings in Tibet, the Chinese authorities have increased the repression of Tibetans’ freedom of speech, religion, assembly and association.

It said that, in the past year, China has “used institutional, educational, legal and propaganda channels to pressure Tibetan Buddhists to modify their religious views and aspirations,” and “escalated its efforts to discredit the Dalai Lama and transform Tibetan Buddhism into a doctrine that promotes government positions and policy.”

The report also found that the level of harassment of human rights lawyers and advocates, and restrictions on Chinese reporters in Tibet, has increased, and that “extralegal detention’ remains a serious problem, with petitioners, peaceful protesters, and ‘undesirables’ being arbitrarily detained in ‘black jails,’ ‘law education classes,’ and psychiatric hospitals for nonmedical reasons.”

The Commission’s Political Prisoner Database contains 670 records of Tibetans detained on or after 2008’s March 10 uprising- “a figure certain to be incomplete” – for exercising their human rights.

The Commission called for the release of Chinese citizens confined, detained, or imprisoned in retaliation for pursuing their right to freedom of religion. It cited the case of Phurbu Tsering, a Tibetan Buddhist teacher who was tried in April 2009 on a weapons charge - Tsering’s lawyers said the case involved coerced confession and insufficient evidence.

“The Chinese Government has made economic development a priority, and has lifted hundreds of millions of people out of poverty,” said Senator Byron L. Dorgan, Chairman of the Commission, “but Chinese government policies and practices continue to violate the rights of Chinese citizens and fall far short of meeting international standards”.

US Congressional Report Criticises China?s Human Rights Record

 

[Bullhead]

Hundreds of protesters took to the streets in Hong Kong Thursday to denounce China's human rights record as the country celebrated 60 years of Communist Rule.

The demonstrators accused China of making little progress on rights and democracy despite its economic and military achievements.

Some protesters also criticized China's military crackdown on pro-democracy demonstrators in Beijing's Tiananmen Square in June 1989. China's government sent tanks and troops into Tiananmen Square to crush weeks of student and worker protests, killing hundreds.

In Washington, U.S. Congresswoman Ileana Ros-Lehtinen (a Republican from Florida) urged China to respect human rights and release political prisoners, including democratic activist Liu Xiaobo.

Chinese authorities arrested Liu in June after accusing him of inciting subversion against the state. He had co-authored a petition to the government calling for democratic freedom.

Elsewhere, police detained more than 40 Tibeten exiles demonstrating near a Chinese embassy building in the Nepalese capital, Kathmandu. The protesters demanded a "free Tibet."

Nepal is home to about 20,000 Tibetans who began fleeing there after the failed 1959 uprising against China.

Nepal says it will not tolerate anti-China protests, viewing Tibet as part of China.

The United States and other countries have pressured China to move toward human rights reforms.

Earlier this year, China released its first-ever human rights action plan, promising citizens improved legal protections, health care and wages.


VOA News - Protesters Denounce China's Human Rights Record

 

[grey boy 2]

Communism is just a fantasy that the leaders in China refuse to break though the country has turned capitalism materially.

China now is a captalist country run by a group of smart communists who has loose control over the local fake communists.

PS. Governmental positions are only reserved for the people who are communists and that's why so many people in this country would like to qualify and claim themsevles communists.

Communism is just a fantasy ?

But what about your India style Caste-Democracy ?

The Truth of Indian CASTOCRACY ;

Perhaps there is no other nation in the world that is as openly and

Shamelessly as Racial as India. To be born in upper caste is a matter

of pride whether the family to which a person belongs deserves it or

not. A number of Indians who visit foreign countries often complain

about being treated differently on account of their Skin Colour or

Accent. They overlook the fact that a vast number of people in

their own country exhibit a far greater Obsession with accent, skin

colour and Caste. Indians film stars put on White Makeup, on the

screen and off the screen, even if they are black, to look accectable

and desirable.

The country's Democracy is Not a True Democracy, but

"CASTOCRACY" Wher people Vote and Leaders are Elected on Caste

Lines. The Indian Political Parties Thrive and Succeed by Appealing to

this Base Emotion of people.

http://www.hinduwebsite.com/hinduism/h-caste.asp

Incredible India !!!

 

[Bullhead]

China Human Rights

Amnesty International has documented widespread human rights violations in China. An estimated 500,000 people are currently enduring punitive detention without charge or trial, and millions are unable to access the legal system to seek redress for their grievances. Harassment, surveillance, house arrest, and imprisonment of human rights defenders are on the rise, and censorship of the Internet and other media has grown. Repression of minority groups, including Tibetans, Uighurs and Mongolians, and of Falun Gong practitioners and Christians who practice their religion outside state-sanctioned churches continues. While the recent reinstatement of Supreme People's Court review of death penalty cases may result in lower numbers of executions, China remains the leading executioner in the world.

China Human Rights

 

[oct605032048]

truly incredible india. and what do you think about your useless government? voting for them because you can have no food to eat while attacking your neighbours?

 

[Bullhead]

Growing numbers of human rights activists were imprisoned, put under house arrest or surveillance, or harassed. Repression of minority groups, including Tibetans, Uighurs and Mongolians, continued. Falun Gong practitioners were at particularly high risk of torture and other ill-treatment in detention. Christians were persecuted for practising their religion outside state-sanctioned channels. Despite the reinstatement of Supreme People's Court review of death penalty cases, the death penalty remained shrouded in secrecy and continued to be used extensively. Torture of detainees and prisoners remained prevalent. Millions of people had no access to justice and were forced to seek redress through an ineffective extra-legal petition system. Women and girls continued to suffer violence and discrimination. Preparations for the 2008 Olympic Games in Beijing were marked by repression of human rights activists. Censorship of the internet and other media intensified.

DEATH PENALTY

Death penalty statistics continued to be regarded as a state secret, making it difficult to assess official claims that the reinstatement of Supreme Court review had reduced the number of executions. Based on public reports, Amnesty International estimated that at least 470 people were executed and 1,860 people sentenced to death during 2007, although the true figures were believed to be much higher.

In June, the Supreme People's Court stipulated that first-instance death penalty cases must be held in open court and that courts must move towards public trials for appeals in capital cases. However, death penalty trials continued to be held behind closed doors, police often resorted to torture to obtain "confessions", and detainees were denied prompt and regular access to lawyers. Death sentences and executions continued to be imposed for 68 offences, including many non-violent crimes such as corruption and drug-related offences.

 

[grey boy 2]

UN says India’s caste system is a human rights abuse
Ani September 29th, 2009 Geneva, Sep.29 (ANI): The United Nations Human Rights Council, meeting in Geneva, is expected to ratify draft principles which will recognize India’s caste system as a human rights abuse.

The UN will condemn the persecution suffered by 65 million ‘untouchables’ or ‘Dalits’ who carry out the most menial and degrading work

The UN draft, which has been opposed by India, pledges to work for the “effective elimination of discrimination based on work and descent”.

The Indian government had lobbied heavily for the Human Rights Council to remove the word ‘caste’ from a draft earlier this year.

India’s opposition was undermined however by Nepal, the former Hindu Kingdom, which has supported the move. Its foreign minister Jeet Bahadur Darjee Gautam said Nepal welcomes UN and international support for its attempts to tackle caste discrimination.

The UN has now called on India to follow Nepal’s example, but New Delhi remains opposed to international interference on the issue.

Navanethem Pillay, the UN’s High Commissioner for Human Rights, who is a South African Tamil, said Nepal’s response marked a “significant step by a country grappling with this problem itself” and urged other states to follow its lead.

The issue is sensitive in India where untouchables and other low-caste groups wield increasing political influence, particularly in Uttar Pradesh.

According to The Telegraph, the caste divisions has become institutionalised by quotas for Dalits in government jobs and university places, which has in turn angered higher caste groups. (ANI)
UN says India’s caste system is a human rights abuse