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Why So Many Pakistanis Hate Their Nobel Peace Prize Winner

Those Pakistanis who hate Malala do not hate her for her own faults, they hate her because they hate and doubt West. Any person who is liked by West is in their eyes is an agent/enemy/traitor. This is obviously ridiculous attitude.

Actually, it should have been given to the "peace loving Taliban brothers" to get a big round of applause from this nation. The mentality and attitude, I am seeing currently, is pathetic and disgusting to say the very least. Tell me, what sort of a nation disowns and discredit its heroes?
 
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Delusions are never noble. Appreciating reality is always useful.
So the belief that we should try to improve Pakistan is not noble and is a delusion? I appreciate the reality. Didn't you read me repeating it over and over again? It is you who doesn't want to see the reality that Pakistanis are trying to improve their country.

Your point is basically that there is no hope and all Pakistanis should die, right? If not, what is your point? Stop it with the cryptic, state-department style answers and clearly explain your point.
 
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Actually, it should have been given to the "peace loving Taliban brothers" to get a big round of applause from this nation. The mentality and attitude, I am seeing currently, is pathetic and disgusting to say the very least. Tell me, what sort of a nation disowns and discredit its heroes?
I don't know which other heroes who have been disowned by this nation you are talking about, but as far as Malala is concerned, she is largely disowned because she is no hero. She is sculpted into a hero and artificial heroes such as her cant be shoved down Pakistani public's throat.

Abdul Sattar Edhi, Jahangir Khan, Jan Sher Khan, Sami ullah, Kaleem ullah, Hasan Sardar, AR Kardar, Haneef Mohammed, Imran Khan, Javeid Miandad, Ansar Barni, those who die on the borders and sometimes dont even find graves, those who freeze to death on Siachen, those who gave us nuclear deterrent, all those are our heroes, and we have never disowned them.

Those Pakistanis who hate Malala do not hate her for her own faults, they hate her because they hate and doubt West. Any person who is liked by West is in their eyes is an agent/enemy/traitor. This is obviously ridiculous attitude.
This is no ridiculous attitude but normal reaction from normal humans. A friend of your enemy will and should be taken with suspicion.
 
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pakistan me goli kha ke mar jaye to martyr.
lekin agar bach gaye to zindagi bhai galiyan khani padegi bhai. bjai mere ku wo geo tv ke anchor hamid mir ki yaad aa raili hai.
 
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I don't know which other heroes who have been disowned by this nation you are talking about, but as far as Malala is concerned, she is largely disowned because she is no hero. She is sculpted into a hero and artificial heroes such as her cant be shoved down Pakistani public's throat.

Nope, a seventeen year old American/Indian/Israeli/British agent most likely, a conspiracy of the West, with a sinister agenda underneath, trying to defame Pakistan and Islam, by speaking up against Taliban, opposing their barbaric animalistic ideology and trying to promote women education and others rights. Or so, I am seeing, the thought pattern and popular sentiments go, at the moment. Its ironic there, you know, because the time TTP was at large a few years ago, their propaganda could be shoved down the throats of large segments of society with much ease- the reason for continuing problems in tackling the terrorism, even if it were something as basic as agreeing with their idea of overthrowing the Western puppet Govt and installing the God's viceroy. Paranoia, it appears, has become a normal state of the mind, conspiracy theories are a plenty, introspection and the acceptance of the consequences brought by one's action is all but gone. I dont get my own countrymen any longer. I dont understand what they want for themselves. Because all I see, is a nation in delirium, extreme confusion.
 
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Nope, a seventeen year old American/Indian/Israeli/British agent most likely, a conspiracy of the West, with a sinister agenda underneath, trying to defame Pakistan and Islam, by speaking up against Taliban, opposing their barbaric animalistic ideology and trying to promote women education and others rights. Or so, I am seeing, the thought pattern and popular sentiments go, at the moment. Its ironic there, you know, because the time TTP was at large a few years ago, their propaganda could be shoved down the throats of large segments of society with much ease- the reason for continuing problems in tackling the terrorism, even if it were something as basic as agreeing with their idea of overthrowing the Western puppet Govt and installing the God's viceroy. Paranoia, it appears, has become a normal state of the mind, conspiracy theories are a plenty, introspection and the acceptance of the consequences brought by one's action is all but gone. I dont get my own countrymen any longer. I dont understand what they want for themselves. Because all I see, is a nation in delirium, extreme confusion.
A majority of sane Pakistanis have vehemently apposed tyrannic TTP throughout (hence support for military action and its success), yet are not in support of Malala. This shows that TTP and Malala are two separate issues and should be dealt, and analyzed individually.

1. Have you ever seen her conversing in English? This is her command (if it could be called command at all) of English today while staying in England for some time. Was she really the one who wrote for BBC at the age of 9? several years ago in Sawat?

2. Writing anonymously for BBC against TTP - what kind of bravery is this? If she had revealed her identity and publicly condemned, and wrote against TTP while staying in Sawat, it would be a different thing but did that happen? Obviously not.

3. There are much more prominent educationists in Pakistan who literally devoted their ENTIRE life for the cause of Education in general and girls education in particular. Late Professor Anita Ghulam Ali is one such example. She was not even nominated for an international award let alone Nobel. Has Malala worked more for girl's education in Pakistan compared to life-long struggle of Professor Ghulam Ali? Attitude towards education in general and girls education in particular of a Sindhi wadera, Punjabi choudhry, Baloch sardar, and Pashtoon khan/malik is any different than that of Taliban?

4. Her father owned a private (money-making, no charity) School in Sawat in which she was a student. Due to TTP, his business went down and completely shut down when Army went into Sawat and used the School as a post. In her book (albeit who wrote it), she has expressed her disgust against Pakistan Army for using the School as an Army post. This clearly appears to be a case of conflict of interest. She did not speak for the girls of Sawat but for her father's business. More correctly, her father used her for his vested interests.

5. When Mr. Richard Holbrooke visited Pakistan, she managed to reach to US Embassy and there was a photo (which has been taken out from the internet, why?) which showed her and her father meeting up with Mr. Holbrooke and other US Generals. What business she or her father had at that meeting? Can you give me just one more example where a supposedly girls-education-activist saw US military generals in the US embassy? Why would this not raise suspensions? In Urdu we say "Paani nasheb mein marta hey".

6. Christina Lamb has been asked twice to leave Pakistan for her alleged unprofessional activities in Pakistan. She obviously has issues with Pakistani intelligence agencies, and military establishment. When it came to put together an autobiography (which is nothing more than her personal narration of her father's ideology) they could find no one else but Miss Lamb? There is nobody in Pakistan who could help her with an autobiography? All Pakistanis were pro-Taliban and anti girl's education? Besides how many chapters in her book are devoted towards girls education or just education? Where is the analysis and suggested solution? Have you read the book? The correct title of the book should be "Ziauddin Yousafzai: My Father".

7. How many (if at all) girls-education-activists get professionally promoted by PR firms such as Edelman? Was Mr. Martin Luther King or Nelson Mandela (true heroes, who honored the Nobel prize by accepting it) managed by Edelman? This is the difference between genuine and fabricated personalities. I for one do not believe in conspiracy theories but valid concerns cannot be and must not be brushed aside just like that. Something is not right about this girl, her father, and their ultimate goals.
 
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Nope, a seventeen year old American/Indian/Israeli/British agent most likely, a conspiracy of the West, with a sinister agenda underneath, trying to defame Pakistan and Islam, by speaking up against Taliban, opposing their barbaric animalistic ideology and trying to promote women education and others rights. Or so, I am seeing, the thought pattern and popular sentiments go, at the moment. Its ironic there, you know, because the time TTP was at large a few years ago, their propaganda could be shoved down the throats of large segments of society with much ease- the reason for continuing problems in tackling the terrorism, even if it were something as basic as agreeing with their idea of overthrowing the Western puppet Govt and installing the God's viceroy. Paranoia, it appears, has become a normal state of the mind, conspiracy theories are a plenty, introspection and the acceptance of the consequences brought by one's action is all but gone. I dont get my own countrymen any longer. I dont understand what they want for themselves. Because all I see, is a nation in delirium, extreme confusion.
She didn't spoke against the Taliban she has bashed Islam and Pakistan and Jinah and Iqbal and defended retards like Salman Rushdie and meets bitc# like Tasleema Nasreen typical crap which west buys yes both her and his father are now acting as western paid scums
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A majority of sane Pakistanis have vehemently apposed tyrannic TTP throughout (hence support for military action and its success), yet are not in support of Malala. This shows that TTP and Malala are two separate issues and should be dealt, and analyzed individually.

1. Have you ever seen her conversing in English? This is her command (if it could be called command at all) of English today while staying in England for some time. Was she really the one who wrote for BBC at the age of 9? several years ago in Sawat?

2. Writing anonymously for BBC against TTP - what kind of bravery is this? If she had revealed her identity and publicly condemned, and wrote against TTP while staying in Sawat, it would be a different thing but did that happen? Obviously not.

3. There are much more prominent educationists in Pakistan who literally devoted their ENTIRE life for the cause of Education in general and girls education in particular. Late Professor Anita Ghulam Ali is one such example. She was not even nominated for an international award let alone Nobel. Has Malala worked more for girl's education in Pakistan compared to life-long struggle of Professor Ghulam Ali? Attitude towards education in general and girls education in particular of a Sindhi wadera, Punjabi choudhry, Baloch sardar, and Pashtoon khan/malik is any different than that of Taliban?

4. Her father owned a private (money-making, no charity) School in Sawat in which she was a student. Due to TTP, his business went down and completely shut down when Army went into Sawat and used the School as a post. In her book (albeit who wrote it), she has expressed her disgust against Pakistan Army for using the School as an Army post. This clearly appears to be a case of conflict of interest. She did not speak for the girls of Sawat but for her father's business. More correctly, her father used her for his vested interests.

5. When Mr. Richard Holbrooke visited Pakistan, she managed to reach to US Embassy and there was a photo (which has been taken out from the internet, why?) which showed her and her father meeting up with Mr. Holbrooke and other US Generals. What business she or her father had at that meeting? Can you give me just one more example where a supposedly girls-education-activist saw US military generals in the US embassy? Why would this not raise suspensions? In Urdu we say "Paani nasheb mein marta hey".

6. Christina Lamb has been asked twice to leave Pakistan for her alleged unprofessional activities in Pakistan. She obviously has issues with Pakistani intelligence agencies, and military establishment. When it came to put together an autobiography (which is nothing more than her personal narration of her father's ideology) they could find no one else but Miss Lamb? There is nobody in Pakistan who could help her with an autobiography? All Pakistanis were pro-Taliban and anti girl's education? Besides how many chapters in her book are devoted towards girls education or just education? Where is the analysis and suggested solution? Have you read the book? The correct title of the book should be "Ziauddin Yousafzai: My Father".

I for one do not believe in conspiracy theories but something is not right with this girl, her father, and their ultimate goals.
I love you mate despite our difference on issue off niqb and many others and you forgot defending people like Rushdie
 
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A majority of sane Pakistanis have vehemently apposed tyrannic TTP throughout (hence support for military action and its success), yet are not in support of Malala. This shows that TTP and Malala are two separate issues and should be dealt, and analyzed individually.

1. Have you ever seen her conversing in English? This is her command (if it could be called command at all) of English today while staying in England for some time. Was she really the one who wrote for BBC at the age of 9? several years ago in Sawat?

2. Writing anonymously for BBC against TTP - what kind of bravery is this? If she had revealed her identity and publicly condemned, and wrote against TTP while staying in Sawat, it would be a different thing but did that happen? Obviously not.

3. There are much more prominent educationists in Pakistan who literally devoted their ENTIRE life for the cause of Education in general and girls education in particular. Late Professor Anita Ghulam Ali is one such example. She was not even nominated for an international award let alone Nobel. Has Malala worked more for girl's education in Pakistan compared to life-long struggle of Professor Ghulam Ali? Attitude towards education in general and girls education in particular of a Sindhi wadera, Punjabi choudhry, Baloch sardar, and Pashtoon khan/malik is any different than that of Taliban?

4. Her father owned a private (money-making, no charity) School in Sawat in which she was a student. Due to TTP, his business went down and completely shut down when Army went into Sawat and used the School as a post. In her book (albeit who wrote it), she has expressed her disgust against Pakistan Army for using the School as an Army post. This clearly appears to be a case of conflict of interest. She did not speak for the girls of Sawat but for her father's business. More correctly, her father used her for his vested interests.

5. When Mr. Richard Holbrooke visited Pakistan, she managed to reach to US Embassy and there was a photo (which has been taken out from the internet, why?) which showed her and her father meeting up with Mr. Holbrooke and other US Generals. What business she or her father had at that meeting? Can you give me just one more example where a supposedly girls-education-activist saw US military generals in the US embassy? Why would this not raise suspensions? In Urdu we say "Paani nasheb mein marta hey".

6. Christina Lamb has been asked twice to leave Pakistan for her alleged unprofessional activities in Pakistan. She obviously has issues with Pakistani intelligence agencies, and military establishment. When it came to put together an autobiography (which is nothing more than her personal narration of her father's ideology) they could find no one else but Miss Lamb? There is nobody in Pakistan who could help her with an autobiography? All Pakistanis were pro-Taliban and anti girl's education? Besides how many chapters in her book are devoted towards girls education or just education? Where is the analysis and suggested solution? Have you read the book? The correct title of the book should be "Ziauddin Yousafzai: My Father".

7. How many (if at all) girls-education-activists get professionally promoted by PR firms such as Edelman? Was Mr. Martin Luther King or Nelson Mandela (true heroes, who honored the Nobel prize by accepting it) managed by Edelman? This is the difference between genuine and fabricated personalities. I for one do not believe in conspiracy theories but valid concerns cannot be and must not be brushed aside just like that. Something is not right about this girl, her father, and their ultimate goals.

Very well said sir, these are exactly what my (and many others') concerns and thoughts are, you summed them up perfectly here.
 
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So the belief that we should try to improve Pakistan is not noble and is a delusion? I appreciate the reality. Didn't you read me repeating it over and over again? It is you who doesn't want to see the reality that Pakistanis are trying to improve their country.

Your point is basically that there is no hope and all Pakistanis should die, right? If not, what is your point? Stop it with the cryptic, state-department style answers and clearly explain your point.

There is no doubt that some Pakistanis are trying to improve their country, but the reality is that most are not, either because they are benefiting from the existing system, or because they have been excluded by it. The delusion is not in the effort, but in insisting that those efforts actually are achieving much. They are not.
 
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There is no doubt that some Pakistanis are trying to improve their country, but the reality is that most are not, either because they are benefiting from the existing system, or because they have been excluded by it. The delusion is not in the effort, but in insisting that those efforts actually are achieving much. They are not.
There, thank you for being straightforward.
I agree with you on this. The efforts aren't achieving enough. We need to make more effort, and the people need to wake up, see their own faults and work on improving themselves. The cell of society is an individual person. The problems of a society reflect the problems of its people. Inshallah, the people will improve. Mindset is already changing for the better, thankfully.
 
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Pakistani's hate almost anyone and everyone they can't manipulate, torment, bully or control absolutely...... this even includes their own children and close relatives (maybe it's a subcontinent thing)........... so nothing newsworthy here! :p:
 
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In my observation Pakistanis are happy with this recognition. Only couple of black sheep of media along with few noise making right wingers who have been trying to hijack the general perception are not happy with her. In any typical society people can have varying opinions and it should be seen like that. An attempt to de-hyphenating the whole country from those few is a simplistic effort nonetheless.
 
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