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Why Pakistani investors have little interest in the defence sector?

You are under the assumption that I'm referring to a company popping up in Pakistan that would replace our existing major suppliers so that the next time Pakistan needs a new MBT that company can come up with a huge line of MBTs for us to choose from. I'm talking about a company that makes value added additions in existing systems so that you get a Thermal imager for a tank worth a few hundred thousand dollars manufactured in Pakistan. For that to happen Pakistan's defense budget is quite sufficient which is precisely why there are some companies still operating in Pakistan - Where do you think the latest drone came from ? GIDS google it.

You have a point & if PK is looking for such sized companies that it has sufficient budget

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Bureaucratic hurdles & Corruption in the Millitary is also a major factor

Small budget compared to Indian defence budget but Pakistan Armed forces are not the only buyers.

You are right but exports cannot sustain a company specially in Defenese the print customers will remain the countries army
 
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You are right but exports cannot sustain a company specially in Defenese the print customers will remain the countries army
They won't have to.

Not necessarily. Defence budget of Sweden is smaller than that of Pakistan but it is a major arms exporter.
 
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They won't have to.

Not necessarily. Defence budget of Sweden is smaller than that of Pakistan but it is a major arms exporter.

This is becuz they invested heavily intheir Defenese industry during the cold war
 
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Pakistan is a huge market for Military equipment manufacturers but there are very few local private companies producing military hardware.

The Ministry for defence production can incourage investors to invest in govt owned reputable R&D organizations such as NESCOM/PAC.

Take a look at this,



Such inconvenience can be avoided if we stop relying on public funds.

We should learn from Sweden and Israel.

I wonder if the patriotic staff of PDF can use the platform to promote our suggestions so they may reach the authorities.

@waz @Horus @ @MastanKhan @DESERT FIGHTER @HRK
This would be great opportunity for local investors, scientists and engineers. It might as well double indigenous production and self sufficiency and reduces imports in the process as well
 
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Small budget compared to Indian defence budget but Pakistan Armed forces are not the only buyers.
Has Pakistan exported any defence items to foreign customers???
If yes then what are the things that Pakistan export???
 
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Another reason - when you share something with the military... next they owned it and kick you lol
 
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Defence industry is just like computer industry it changes on daily basis investor requires lot of cash $$ millions to be updateed tech wise without making profits
 
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Has Pakistan exported any defence items to foreign customers???
If yes then what are the things that Pakistan export???
Manpads, ATGMs, Trainer Aircrafts, APCs, UAVs, Ammo.
 
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Yaar we have our billionaires.

Most of them are 'du number' or tax evader .... those who are wealthy from generations are tax evaders and most of 'Nau dolitia' are ... obviously you can understand the reason of accumulation of their wealth, so both of these two class don't prefer to invest in Pakistan for obvious reasons, because of this we face the issue of 'flight of Capital' which is not happing solely because of economic reasons but due to social and political reasons.

So expecting them to invest in 'defence sector' is too much, we do have genuine business class as well but they have their issues.

Then there are the wealthy dual nationals looking for investment opportunities in Pakistan.

its a myth that Overseas Pakistanis or Pakistan Origin 'foreigners' want to invest in Pakistan; I don't know why we keep repeating this to our general public just go through the attached tables
Foreign Direct Investment Flows 1949-2010.JPG

They don't want to invest in Pakistan & they have their 'reasons' valid and justifiable reasons.

Following is the table of workers remittances you can observe a many things just from that table
7.9 Workers’ Remittances.JPG

Our 'professional class' is not contributing the extent of their potential again they have their reasons & again valid & justifiable reasons

Risks are envolved everytime you launch a new product. Return is not obviously not guaranteed.

Risk vary from product to product & market to market in simple words risk of selling perishable items are different then the risk of selling non-perishable item same as the selling of high class auto-mobile is different then the selling of Alto or Mehran car.

Defence Industry all over the globe is consider a high risk business because of limited or restricted number of buyers secondly government (including restricted numbers of buyers) can guarantee a good return for limited number of products not for every product or R&D for example JF-17 & J-10. Pakistan was interested for both Aircraft but had the financial mean for only one so we are restricted to JF-17, China has the means available for both products but & J-10 suits more to their requirements therefore China choose J-10, now imagine a scenario if a private company have had developed both of these products for one customer 'Pakistan' that company was bound to face lose on one of the programme.

Please elaborate point 3.

Yara how can there be technology issues when our engineers are confident that they can develop an actual AESA radar? there are always technical hurdels but they can be overcome.

They can built but the question is that 'indigenous AESA' would be as good as any western AESA ???

'if not' then what would that company do ?? would they discard it, or keep developing it ??

In case if company chose the option to discard the project they have to bear the lose of invested Finance & Time or may be the market reputation.

In case if they go for the further development of product then they have to decide that how much extra resources they can invest in that project; even after further investment in project if it failed to deliver the desire level of performance would that company find herself in a position to bear the lose

Take Indian LCA program in its current stage as an example, now consider LCA as a program under development by a company headed by you and you have to take a decision to continue the program but on a condition of Guaranteed delivery of the final product equivalent to Mirage 2000-5 if not better than that within 3 years time frame & limited extra financial resources

Think as a 'businessmen' make profit & lose as the basic principle of your decision process not as a 'patriotic individual'

India as a STATE have the resources to invest in that project but the company may not have such luxury. at this stage you also have to think about maximum numbers of Jet India would buy to justify the cost of the project with desired rate of return.

I thought military tech is often utilized
in commercial/civilian products.

Yes but not every technology is have its civilian use ....
 
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AGTMs to Bangladesh, Malaysia and Sri Lanka.

Manpads to Malaysia.

UAVs to Spain, US, Australia, KSA, Malaysia and others.
Ok bakhtar sikhan and anza are exported
but which UAV ??
Shapar/burraq???
 
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