Why Pakistan is becoming China's 23rd province

[Sugarcane]

They say we proliferated nuclear weapons to Pakistan?

Yet we are one of the five "NPT-recognized nuclear weapons states", and India is not?

How could that be possible if we proliferated nuclear weapons to Pakistan? Does that mean the entire world is in on the conspiracy?

Main pain in a$$ of saffron chaddies is mentioned in first paragraph, rest is just garbage as usual to fill space.

 

[shaheenmissile]

Thats how

China, Pakistan, and Nuclear Non-Proliferation | The Diplomat

China’s assistance ultimately proved to be pivotal in Pakistan’s pursuit of the nuclear bomb. In 1982, according to AQ Khan, China provided Pakistan 50 kilograms of weapons-grade uranium, enough to make two nuclear bombs, as part of a “broad-ranging, secret nuclear deal” between Mao Zedong and Bhutto. The following year, China reportedly provided Pakistan the complete design for a 25 kt nuclear bomb. A State Department memo at the time concluded that “China has provided assistance to Pakistan’s program to develop a nuclear weapons capability. Over the past several years, China and Pakistan have maintained contacts in the nuclear field…[w]e now believe cooperation has taken place in the area of fissile material production and possibly also nuclear weapons design.”

http://nsarchive.gwu.edu/NSAEBB/NSAEBB114/chipak-11.pdf

and India's missiles and nukes were all self made. No foreign help?
If you say India did it on its own,so can Pakistan.
Perhaps the world should make their mind which country to blame for Pak nukes. I read similar blames for North korea that they helped in our missile program.

 

[Menace2Society]

Everyone needs a helping hand in developing their country. Once Pakistan joins 1st world countries then China will have a prosperous friendly neighbor who will trade big with them.

 

[Chacha_Facebooka]

Are you saying that your scientists even after receiving the designs could not make/develop more warheads?

Proof? I guess its the article.

 

[SamantK]

and India's missiles and nukes were all self made. No foreign help?
If you say India did it on its own,so can Pakistan.
Perhaps the world should make their mind which country to blame for Pak nukes. I read similar blames for North korea that they helped in our missile program.

So now if India did it on its own, Pakistan can also do that?
That is the only comaprison you got?
Kid, have fun

 

[Chacha_Facebooka]

I don't know about Pak missile program but a fun fact; even the Americans' original missile technology wasn't theirs. They captured German engineers, designs and rockets at the end of world war 2 which was the basis of NASA and US air force's missile program.

 

[Sugarcane]

I cannot believe that you are such a Islamist yourself that you think every Indian has a religious bent

You are getting investments without having the potential and certainly no real economy to warrant anyone to invest. All this is strategic for China and has none to do with your capabilities. That should be a wake up call for you guys.

Burn baby burn,

By the way ask Modi to take pretty item girls with him on next visit to China - and should try Mujra one more time to lure Mr. Xi - aur haan jhoola bhi le jana, os main bhi potential hai

 

[slng]

This article undermine so many aspects. Thrash talking...

 

[WAQAS119]

I would welcome everyone that contributes in development of Pakistan. Dogs can whine as they wish, we need to ignore them.

 

[shaheenmissile]

So now if India did it on its own, Pakistan can also do that?
That is the only comaprison you got?
Kid, have fun

Well yes.
what supremacy India has in nuclear tech?
Both countries started nuclear and missile programs at pretty much the same time.

Burn baby burn,

By the way ask Modi to take pretty item girls with him on next visit to China - and should try Mujra one more time to lure Mr. Xi - aur haan jhoola bhi le jana, os main bhi potential hai

اور چائے بھی بنا کہ پلائے گا مودی
And modi shud also make tea

 

[Talwar e Pakistan]

It would not be possible for Islamabad to wage its proxy war against India but for Beijing's military backing and support.

Gurmeet Kanwal

Daily O - April 19, 2015


President Xi Jinping of China will announce plans for massive investment in the development of infrastructure for the China-Pakistan Economic Corridor linking Xinjiang with Gwadar port during his visit to Islamabad on April 20-21, 2015. The amount planned to be invested - US$ 46 billion - is more than Pakistan's entire budget - US$ 39.8 billion - for FY 2014-15.

China is Pakistan's second largest trading partner. In the words of the leaders of the two countries, the China-Pakistan friendship is "strategic" and is "higher than the mountains, deeper than the oceans and sweeter than honey." China has "guaranteed Pakistan's territorial integrity", but it is not clear against whom. It is well-known that Pakistan's foremost national security threat is on the internal security front from the Tehrik-e-Taliban Pakistan (TTP) and its sister extremist organisations.

The collusive nuclear-missile-military hardware nexus between China and Pakistan poses a major strategic challenge to India. China is known to have provided direct assistance to Pakistan for its nuclear weapons programme, including nuclear warhead designs and enough HEU (highly enriched uranium) for at least two nuclear bombs and transferred dual-use technology and materials for the development of nuclear weapons.

China has violated its treaty obligations under the NPT and the MTCR to help Pakistan with its nuclear weapons and ballistic missiles programmes. It has helped Pakistan to build nuclear reactors to produce weapons-grade plutonium at the Chashma and Khushab nuclear facilities, enabling Pakistan to produce weapons-grade Plutonium. China has transferred M-9 and M-11 nuclear-capable ballistic missiles and has facilitated the transfer of Taepo Dong and No Dong ballistic missiles from North Korea to Pakistan.

China subsidises Pakistan's defence budget as almost 50 per cent of China's surplus arms are exported to Pakistan at 'friendship' prices. China and Pakistan have jointly developed a fighter aircraft - JF-17 Thunder/ FC-1 Fierce - and a main battle tank - Al Khalid, besides other military hardware like anti-tank missiles.

Chinese military personnel are known to be present in Gilgit-Baltistan in large numbers, ostensibly to construct roads and hydel projects. However, it is likely that Pakistan has outsourced counter-terrorism operations against extremists of the East Turkistan Islamic Movement (ETIM), who are active in Xingjian, to the People's Liberation Army (PLA) of China.

Chinese engineers have been engaged in building Pakistan's second major port at Gwadar on the Makran coast as part of its "string of pearls" strategy in the Indian Ocean. This port could be upgraded to a naval base for Chinese naval vessels with minimum effort. China is quite obviously engaged in the strategic encirclement of India.

In fact, given its internal instability, fissiparous tendencies and doddering economy, it would not be possible for Pakistan to wage its proxy war against India in Jammu and Kashmir and other parts of the country, but for China's military backing and support. In as much as that, it is also China's proxy war with Pakistan acting as China's proxy.

The history of the military collusion between China and Pakistan goes back over fifty years. During the 1965 and 1971 India-Pakistan wars, China had made some threatening military manoeuvres in Tibet in support of Pakistan. It is also noteworthy that during the Kargil conflict in 1999, Chinese military advisors were reported to have been present at Skardu in Pakistan Occupied Kashmir.

China has consistently shown inflexibility on the resolution of the territorial and boundary dispute with India since the two nations fought a war over it in 1962. Despite 18 rounds of talks between political interlocutors and many meetings of the Joint Working Group, there has been no progress. Even the Line of Actual Control (LAC) has not been clearly demarcated on military maps and on the ground due to China's intransigence. Patrol face-offs are common and an armed clash could take place any time. If it is not contained quickly, it could lead to another border conflict.

While a semblance of stability prevails at the strategic level, in recent years China has exhibited marked political, diplomatic and military aggressiveness at the tactical level. The large-scale transgressions at Demchok, Depsang and Chumar - the last one during the visit of President Xi Jinping - in Ladakh are particularly noteworthy.

Hence, it would be prudent to conclude that during a future Indian military conflict with China, Pakistan is likely to come to China's military aid and vice versa. It was in this context that General Deepak Kapoor, former COAS, had said during the Army Training Command doctrine seminar in end-December 2009 that the Indian armed forces must prepare for a two-front war.

The China-Pakistan nexus has naturally led to anxiety about China's future intentions. While capabilities take decades to develop, intentions can change overnight. India should concentrate its energies on developing its economy and building its military capabilities in order to face up to the Chinese challenge.

Why Pakistan is becoming China's 23rd province

Its called friendship.

 

[razgriz19]

As translated by myy friend:

"Pakistan is china's full strategic cooperative partner

that's what the yellow line on the bottom says

the list in white outlines the types of partnership china categorizes

top is full strategic cooperative partnership

then

strategic cooperative partnership

actually, first one is full time strategic cooperative partnership

which is what Pakistan is at

then full strategic cooperative partnership

then strategic cooperative partnership

strategic partnership

all round friendly cooperative partnership

friendly cooperative partnership

and last one is friendly partnership

sorry, I think all round strategic cooperative partnership might be a bit more accurate

you get the idea"

 

[ito]

They say we proliferated nuclear weapons to Pakistan?

Yet we are one of the five "NPT-recognized nuclear weapons states", and India is not?

How could that be possible if we proliferated nuclear weapons to Pakistan? Does that mean the entire world is in on the conspiracy?

Wrong again. Sometimes a little bit of research helps

China may not proliferate nuclear technology now, but it was the biggest nuclear technology proliferator. If Pakistan, North Korea, and Iran have nuclear weapons that is because of China.

http://fas.org/sgp/crs/nuke/RL31555.pdf

It doesn't make a difference whether India is NPT-recognized nuclear weapons states or not. India has nuclear weapons and at the same time it is getting civilian nuclear technology due to Indo - US nuclear deal without signing CTBT or NPT.

 

[Sheikh Rauf]

Grave mistake ! China itself heading towards suicidal over SCS , it always seeks like minded countries like War ripped African , North Korea , Pakistan . More China intrude into Pakistan it's a bad idea and also will create rupture for India . End of the day India and China will move ahead but North Korea , Pakistan will be left out with huge dept with no other option to selling out another portion if territory .

Ego to match Indian capabilities creating kind if insecurity in Pakistan establishment but interesting to note is how Chinese are worried about Indian military muscles . 18 submarines (including 6 ssn) Rafale Tejas FgFA , 4 destroyers, 10 frigate by 2022 , 800+ howitzers , more takes extra , whole new level of helicopter fleet ranging from 160+ Mi 35 to hundreds if LCH etc . That's a beast in the making when you add 3 Aircraft carries with long legs legacy jets more than 3 squadron can be thrown in from out of no where other than Airforce , missiles like Brahmos , NG , Mini an ability pair them with fighter jets Is send a jittery into heart of Beijing .

What China is doing will back fire China want India to go broke by matching China and Pakistan in numbers . But India always will have better strategy. SLOW AND STEADY will win the race .We don't need to be a sprinter to win a Marathon !

Pakistanies are not obsessed but indians are. our yatrees are not safe in india.. 64 travlers got killed in train by indian army in samjotha express, killing people just cuz they are muslims every muslim in india doesnt have strong feelings towards Pakistan but hindu mentality doesnt accept that no muslims in stablishment of india and their army.
its a question of trust.. INDIA IS NOT TRUSTWORTHY NEIGHBOUR.
Pakistan is not comparing itself to india, we cant simple cuz you cant control your population its overflowing lake of education, medical, food basic necessacities, population have stunt growth, sevege system is unbelivably poor societies have many many divisions...
Bravely surviving againt 1.25 billion people against Pakistan.. i think india sud consider her policies cuz they cant do nothing to Pakistan. its a humble request keep your nose to urself..

 

[Chinese-Dragon]

Wrong again. Sometimes a little bit of research helps

China may not proliferate nuclear technology now, but it was the biggest nuclear technology proliferator. If Pakistan, North Korea, and Iran have nuclear weapons that is because of China.

http://fas.org/sgp/crs/nuke/RL31555.pdf

It doesn't make a difference whether India is NPT-recognized nuclear weapons states or not. India has nuclear weapons and at the same time it is getting civilian nuclear technology due to Indo - US nuclear deal without signing CTBT or NPT.

LOL, the NPT (Non-Proliferation Treaty) recognizes 5 nuclear weapons states. Which are the 5 permanent members of the UNSC.

The entire world recognizes this.

Except for a few states which are not signatories to the NPT, among them India and North Korea. The rest of the world recognizes it.

So basically you think we gave Pakistan nuclear weapons, yet we are still an officially recognized nuclear state in the NPT, same as all the 5 permanent members of the UNSC.