Why Modi’s changed approach to Pakistan is more likely to yield détente

[Developereo]

The chain of events dates backs to July
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The escalation this month followed two IED blasts (if I remember correctly, on 15th of September & 4th of October)

See, this whole tit-for-tat business has been going on, and will go on, for ever if each side keeps reaching back months to find unfinished business.

The PA view is that this latest escalation was different from the normal back and forth because India started building permanent structures within the forbidden zone. This is a deviation from the norm.

Of course, you guys will either deny this, or claim that this is a sign of the new, assertive Indian posture. Either way, if we accept this construction activity as true, it means that the Indian side ratcheted up the level of provocation.

 

[Bang Galore]

Either way, if we accept this construction activity as true, it means that the Indian side ratcheted up the level of provocation.

That's always a possibility but unless we are seeing an across the board construction on the LC as well as the IB, it doesn't explain such a major escalation. (btw, the construction part came almost as an after thought, wasn't mentioned in the initial briefings) No news about it in India, so I can't say much about it. Neither does it explain the IED's I referred to even if you can link it to the firing.

 

[Developereo]

That's always a possibility but unless we are seeing an across the board construction on the LC as well as the IB, it doesn't explain such a major escalation. (btw, the construction part came almost as an after thought, wasn't mentioned in the initial briefings) No news about it in India, so I can't say much about it. Neither does it explain the IED's I referred to even if you can link it to the firing.

One can surmise the localized construction as a trial balloon by India to let Pakistan know the tenor of the new administration, and to test Pakistan's reaction. It was the Modi administration leaving their calling card.

You guys might claim that it was Nawaz Sharif who started the escalation, to distract from his domestic troubles and rally patriotism, but the PA is hardly likely to obey Nawaaz, as the Indians would be the first to tell us. In fact, the domestic situation in Islamabad is going extremely well for the army, and the PA would be loath to give Nawaaz Sharif any respite from his troubles.

 

[Bang Galore]

One can surmise the localized construction as a trial balloon by India to let Pakistan know the tenor of the new administration, and to test Pakistan's reaction. It was the Modi administration leaving their calling card.

Not enough information to say anything definite. If there has been construction done by India which precipitated the issue, chances are that it will come out sooner or later.

You guys might claim that it was Nawaz Sharif who started the escalation, to distract from his domestic troubles and rally patriotism, but the PA is hardly likely to obey Nawaaz, as the Indians would be the first to tell us. In fact, the domestic situation in Islamabad is going extremely well for the army, and the PA would be loath to give Nawaaz Sharif any respite from his troubles.

Actually not many buy that this was NS's doing. More that it was the PA attempting to put a spoke in the wheel and when faced with a robust response, felt that they too had to move up the escalatory ladder. It's a vicious cycle with both sides upping the ante. The ceasefire violations started in July, a little over a month after Modi became PM. Highly unlikely that he would, that early in his term,have taken a decision to precipitate the issue, more likely (and is commonly held) that he ordered a very robust response to any provocation.

It is good to also recall that around the same time last year, when a different PM was in office in India; there was a ferocious response to the beheading of Indian soldiers when PA posts took a pounding with many killed. Many in Pakistan may wish to pin the blame on Mr.Modi but it is fairly clear that border/LC violations have been happening even before.

 

[wolfschanzze]

Excellent read for all those "Aman Ki Asha" Retards.
You are a fool to expect by keeping quiet they will maintain the peace,infact by keeping quiet you send the wrong message as taken for granted.
Everytime you remind them that when they make noise we pummel them, that will condition their mentality in future as to not ratchet up things.
How animals are trained to obey certain commands, by stick and carrot.
Likewise the conditioning has started ,which the previous UPA was not able to do so, next time they start firing they will get another pummelling and then they will again run to P5,UNO,USA,UK crying in the end they will understand no one is coming to help them and will come to terms and themselves will maintain peace.The ball is in our court now it is upto us how to use it or how hard we want to hit it!

I believe the poster was referring to India acting as the US in terms of their statements of making anything unbearable for Pakistan. Because, mate, no matter how you look at it, India can never do to Pakistan what Indians think their country can do otherwise they would have done it in 1999 or at least in 2001/02. The post was basically stating that India is no USA and not what you had concluded.



On the other hand, all we have to do is 'step aside' and let the jihadists take care of the whole of India without spending a single rupee.

P.S. Do you know how many independence struggles are active in India at the moment??

Good send them all at once, we will practise turkey shoot on them and finish the menace once and for all.
Don't forget you send ,we can send supplies too for your Independence struggles in Pakistan , it s a two way street.

 

[Dash]

Excellent read for all those "Aman Ki Asha" Retards.

I had voted for him

 

[wolfschanzze]

I had voted for him

You mean Jay Panda? he is a good leader,of Biju janata dal has clean record .

 

[wolfschanzze]

Status Quo or, refining the term even further, making the LoC a permanent International Border is indeed the only viable solution for Pakistan and India. But what about Kashmiris? Is this what they also want? Shouldn't we consider their wishes as well?



Do you mean TTP & BLA, is that how you achieve peace with your neighbor??

Yes regrading Kashmiris you can take them into your country if you wish so much for them.As far as India is concerned Kashmir is just another state nothing special about it .

 

[Dash]

You mean Jay Panda? he is a good leader,of Biju janata dal has clean record .

Yes, Jay Panda, he is a good guy, balanced and well read.

 

[FaujHistorian]

Many civilians also got killed in this side as well so that make your army action coward??

New government just giving due response to your provocation that was not given by previous governments.

Deaths like this on either side of the border are condemnable and should be treated as war crimes.

Two wrongs do not make it right.

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dear same case here inocent people are hit hard

then why do it.

Aside from innocent civilians getting killed, Modi Gov did not get anything except internationalizing K issue. This was the worst kind of diplomatic stupidity by an inexperienced PM and his cabinet.

And yet so many smart and educated Indians here are praising the same stupidity.

Civilians were killed on our side too. You speak as if only your civilians were targeted.

I want to know , why this hypocrisy ??

See my response to @Ammyy

 

[pursuit of happiness]

Deaths like this on either side of the border are condemnable and should be treated as war crimes.

Two wrongs do not make it right.



then why do it.

Aside from innocent civilians getting killed, Modi Gov did not get anything except internationalizing K issue. This was the worst kind of diplomatic stupidity by an inexperience PM and his cabinet.

And yet so many smart and educated Indians here are praising the same stupidity.



See my response to @Ammyy

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Modi Gov did not get anything except internationalizing K issue. This was the worst kind of diplomatic stupidity by an inexperience PM and his cabinet.
who wanted to internatioanlsied K word since 1947..
who went to UN and gave so called kashmir Rag..
who went to P5 for K
i think you mena sharif govt .. inestead of modi govt .spelling mistke ?

 

[FaujHistorian]

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Modi Gov did not get anything except internationalizing K issue. This was the worst kind of diplomatic stupidity by an inexperience PM and his cabinet.
who wanted to internatioanlsied K word since 1947..
who went to UN and gave so called kashmir Rag..
who went to P5 for K
i think you mena sharif govt .. inestead of modi govt .spelling mistke ?

Nehru was the first one. He took K issue to UN and internationalized it.

But perhaps your 5th grade Sarkari school history book never mentioned it.

 

[FaujHistorian]

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that was biggest mistake india did ..
yes .. we wnated solution you gave us terrorism ..
we dont mostly twick history ..
after neharu can just updae histuy and tell me who wanted K word in internation forum?

Please bhai.

I'll be nice to you and not say anything negative about your knowledge (or lack there) of our region's history.

I urge you read and read and read and read (did I say it enough to read?)

And learn

What you are doing here is to spit out the same $hit that is being shoveled by our uneducated emotional media goons.

Don't be part of them.

Don't spit that same bad ignoramus stuff.

Thank you

 

[kadamba-warrior]

PM Modi gets caught with his antics in front of the whole world, and you say "Define provocation".

Guilty toads have to make tremendous effort on "redefining sex and provocations".

Sadly.

You seem to have already arrived at the judgement that Modi is as guilty in ceasefire violations as Clinton in sex-gate!!

This is exactly what I asked you earlier. On what basis do you accuse him of starting provocations? You must have concrete evidence against Modi to make such an accusation, no?

If you are simply talking about your opinion, we have an opinion too and that is exactly opposite of yours. In fact, the circumstantial evidence suggests exactly the opposite!! That India doesn't benefit anything by internationalizing a conflict which has been in our favor so far. And Pakistan has nothing to lose by altering the status quo!!!

 

[pursuit of happiness]

Please bhai.

I'll be nice to you and not say anything negative about your knowledge (or lack there) of our region's history.

I urge you read and read and read and read (did I say it enough to read?)

And learn

What you are doing here is to spit out the same $hit that is being shoveled by our uneducated emotional media goons.

Don't be part of them.

Don't spit that same bad ignoramus stuff.

Thank you

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Dear ,, thanks for being nice..
i am ignorant on many count.. accpted ..
please update/ correct me with facts ,, fig .. data ...i would be happy to found worong on that basis..
opinion cant be parameter to judge the same
but i gave you pointers so expect point blank ans
waiting .... for ....your reply with facts