Why italian harsh laws prevented islamist attacks on our soil

[RazorMC]

As I said before, Italy has set a good example to western European countries about how to deal with these hypocritical Islamic radicals. Deport them in short notice to their third/fourth world country. Let them enjoy their poor backward Sharia ruled countries which they admire so much. Lool

Can you list how many countries have sharia rule employed as the official legislation?

 

[Aero]

To be italian you have to be italian by blood. Its almost impossible for a foreigner to get the italian citizenship. Combined with the harsh deportation laws that kick foreigners out by the slighest misbehavior we created a system where islamism cant strike. This article explains it well:

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To be an Italian citizen, “you have to have Italian blood,” Vidino said; your mother or father must be a citizen.

Non-Italians hoping to gain citizenship face a lengthy, expensive and complex process. Children of non-residents born in Italy have to wait until they’re 18 to even apply for citizenship.

Because few non-Italian residents are able to become citizens, those suspected of supporting the Islamic State or recruiting fighters can be — and are — quickly deported. “If it’s difficult to charge them, you deport them,” Vidino said. “You can’t deport your own citizens.”

Dealing with suspected terrorists via the regular criminal justice system is difficult, experts say, because it’s often not possible to prosecute such people without compromising intelligence sources. In other cases, it’s not clear that laws have been broken.

For example, U.K. authorities have for decades wrangled with Anjem Choudary, a 49-year-old preacher and British citizen of Pakistani descent considered to have helped motivate at least 100 young people to turn to terrorism in Britain and continental Europe. But for 20 years, he had stayed just within laws guaranteeing free speech. He was convicted in September of encouraging terrorism and jailed for 5 1/2 years after posting a series of talks on YouTube in which he urged Muslims to support the Islamic State.

In Italy, a preacher like Choudary likely wouldn’t have acquired citizenship, and likely would have been deported early on.

The Italian government deported 102 people in the past 18 months, Italian Interior Minister Angelino Alfano said in a July report to the Italian parliament, including several preachers.

“All were found to be working to radicalize others and promote jihad in Italy,” Alfano said.

Vidino said they were quickly deported. “Most are just shipped out overnight,” he said.

Italy has in the past repeatedly run afoul of European Union provisions on deportation, both in deporting migrants and terrorism suspects. The EU does not allow deportations of individuals to nations where they could face torture or inhumane treatment. The prohibition “enshrines one of the fundamental values of democratic societies,” the European Court of Human Rights found in a 2008 case involving Italy’s deportation of a Tunisian after he was convicted of terrorism-related activities.

Vidino said many of Italy’s terrorism-related deportations were of suspects from the Balkans, where there’s little threat of torture. In other cases, Italian authorities have been prepared to deport terrorism suspects despite the EU rules. “The bar is lower in Italy,” he said."

http://www.stripes.com/news/italy-d...ugh-citizenship-deportation-policies-1.434055

The latest case was a tunisian mother who posted an angry rant against christians and shia muslims on her Facebook site. She called for muslims to fight the west and It took just 8hours that police arrived at her house and arrested her. She was ordered to be deported the next day. Her apartment was emptied and her stuff thrown on garbage while her savings are confiscated by the state and used to compensante for the flight tickets for her deportation.

@waz @mike2000 is back @damm1t @flamer84

It's Good Italians take Strict Measures to protect themselves else conditions like in France can come anytime. Extreme conditions demand extreme measures.

 

[MarkusS]

It's Good Italians take Strict Measures to protect themselves else conditions like in France can come anytime. Extreme conditions demand extreme measures.

yes, im sick of this human rights bullshit. we are at war.

 

[CHI RULES]

To me French if have faced attacks then they themselves provided grounds for such acts. However more or less countries like Italy and Britain are still friendly to Muslims. To be honest if some one if opposes the Govt regulations/policies he/she should be free to do so as EU countries claim to be. However if some one if wants to start a Holly war then he should leave that country. Muslims have many fronts where they can fight in the name of Islam i.e Palestine and Afghanistan.

Being a Muslim I honestly think and I have read that Jihad can be declared only by Muslim Govt and if you are in Non Muslim country you can start jihad if stopped to say your prayers or to fulfill religious duties.

To be honest UK and Italy are still considered heaven for Pakistanis. But it is duty of EU authorities to check why Muslims born in those countries are becoming violent certainly there are some question marks there. As one Pakistani student fro Wazirabad area lost his life in police custody in Germany due to scuffle started after some people gave improper remarks abt Islam/Religious personalities.

 

[MarkusS]

To me French if have faced attacks then they themselves provided grounds for such acts. However more or less countries like Italy and Britain are still friendly to Muslims. To be honest if some one if opposes the Govt regulations/policies he/she should be free to do so as EU countries claim to be. However if some one if wants to start a Holly war then he should leave that country. Muslims have many fronts where they can fight in the name of Islam i.e Palestine and Afghanistan.

Being a Muslim I honestly think and I have read that Jihad can be declared only by Muslim Govt and if you are in Non Muslim country you can start jihad if stopped to say your prayers or to fulfill religious duties.

To be honest UK and Italy are still considered heaven for Pakistanis. But it is duty of EU authorities to check why Muslims born in those countries are becoming violent certainly there are some question marks there. As one Pakistani student fro Wazirabad area lost his life in police custody in Germany due to scuffle started after some people gave improper remarks abt Islam/Religious personalities.

With all due respect...why dont we have problems with vietnamese, buddhists, chinese, japanese, south americans?

muslims, muslims muslims...i cant hear it anymore. They either adapt or leave. This is our countries. We dont have to cater anyone. If we ban praying, so be it. Our country, our laws. Christians have zero rights in Pakistan.

You must accept that you are only a guest in our house. If you behave and act with honor, dignity and respect then you will get respect back. Dont expect us to bow for your customs. If you do things unacceptable then be prepared to leave.

I think those are easy ruled evryone can follow.

 

[SQ8]

With all due respect...why dont we have problems with vietnamese, buddhists, chinese, japanese, south americans?

muslims, muslims muslims...i cant hear it anymore. They either adapt or leave. This is our countries. We dont have to cater anyone. If we ban praying, so be it. Our country, our laws. Christians have zero rights in Pakistan.

You must accept that you are only a guest in our house. If you behave and act with honor, dignity and respect then you will get respect back. Dont expect us to bow for your customs. If you do things unacceptable then be prepared to leave.

I think those are easy ruled evryone can follow.

Rich coming from a semi-fascist who pretends to be part of modern Europe but thinks like mussolini.
Get over it, Muslims are within Europe and a part of it. Where they in many places well integrated. Just because you cant get over your right wing fed fecal matter does not mean that there arent a majority of good people who work within the European system and culture.

What is happening today is the direct result of letting extremism fester within these communities by ignoring their social isolation and allowing extremism to be imported via hate preachers fleeing dictatorships in the middle east.
Europe was a total shit hole prior to the cultures that made up Islam.

 

[flamer84]

Europe was a total shit hole prior to the cultures that made up Islam.

Ofcourse......

If one chooses to ignore the Greek culture,the Etruscan culture,the Roman Empire who predate Islam by many,many years.Nevermind that these European cultures are the main reservoir of knowledge for islamic culture.

 

[X-2.]

To be italian you have to be italian by blood. Its almost impossible for a foreigner to get the italian citizenship. Combined with the harsh deportation laws that kick foreigners out by the slighest misbehavior we created a system where islamism cant strike. This article explains it well:

"
To be an Italian citizen, “you have to have Italian blood,” Vidino said; your mother or father must be a citizen.

Non-Italians hoping to gain citizenship face a lengthy, expensive and complex process. Children of non-residents born in Italy have to wait until they’re 18 to even apply for citizenship.

Because few non-Italian residents are able to become citizens, those suspected of supporting the Islamic State or recruiting fighters can be — and are — quickly deported. “If it’s difficult to charge them, you deport them,” Vidino said. “You can’t deport your own citizens.”

Dealing with suspected terrorists via the regular criminal justice system is difficult, experts say, because it’s often not possible to prosecute such people without compromising intelligence sources. In other cases, it’s not clear that laws have been broken.

For example, U.K. authorities have for decades wrangled with Anjem Choudary, a 49-year-old preacher and British citizen of Pakistani descent considered to have helped motivate at least 100 young people to turn to terrorism in Britain and continental Europe. But for 20 years, he had stayed just within laws guaranteeing free speech. He was convicted in September of encouraging terrorism and jailed for 5 1/2 years after posting a series of talks on YouTube in which he urged Muslims to support the Islamic State.

In Italy, a preacher like Choudary likely wouldn’t have acquired citizenship, and likely would have been deported early on.

The Italian government deported 102 people in the past 18 months, Italian Interior Minister Angelino Alfano said in a July report to the Italian parliament, including several preachers.

“All were found to be working to radicalize others and promote jihad in Italy,” Alfano said.

Vidino said they were quickly deported. “Most are just shipped out overnight,” he said.

Italy has in the past repeatedly run afoul of European Union provisions on deportation, both in deporting migrants and terrorism suspects. The EU does not allow deportations of individuals to nations where they could face torture or inhumane treatment. The prohibition “enshrines one of the fundamental values of democratic societies,” the European Court of Human Rights found in a 2008 case involving Italy’s deportation of a Tunisian after he was convicted of terrorism-related activities.

Vidino said many of Italy’s terrorism-related deportations were of suspects from the Balkans, where there’s little threat of torture. In other cases, Italian authorities have been prepared to deport terrorism suspects despite the EU rules. “The bar is lower in Italy,” he said."

http://www.stripes.com/news/italy-d...ugh-citizenship-deportation-policies-1.434055

The latest case was a tunisian mother who posted an angry rant against christians and shia muslims on her Facebook site. She called for muslims to fight the west and It took just 8hours that police arrived at her house and arrested her. She was ordered to be deported the next day. Her apartment was emptied and her stuff thrown on garbage while her savings are confiscated by the state and used to compensante for the flight tickets for her deportation.

@waz @mike2000 is back @damm1t @flamer84

Yes but there is one more reason .. Italians aren't against islam as french .. In past or current

 

[GiannKall]

With all due respect...why dont we have problems with vietnamese, buddhists, chinese, japanese, south americans?

muslims, muslims muslims...i cant hear it anymore. They either adapt or leave. This is our countries. We dont have to cater anyone. If we ban praying, so be it. Our country, our laws. Christians have zero rights in Pakistan.

You must accept that you are only a guest in our house. If you behave and act with honor, dignity and respect then you will get respect back. Dont expect us to bow for your customs. If you do things unacceptable then be prepared to leave.

I think those are easy ruled evryone can follow.

You also have problems with black christian Africans. I guess they are not white enough eh?

 

[CHI RULES]

With all due respect...why dont we have problems with vietnamese, buddhists, chinese, japanese, south americans?

muslims, muslims muslims...i cant hear it anymore. They either adapt or leave. This is our countries. We dont have to cater anyone. If we ban praying, so be it. Our country, our laws. Christians have zero rights in Pakistan.

You must accept that you are only a guest in our house. If you behave and act with honor, dignity and respect then you will get respect back. Dont expect us to bow for your customs. If you do things unacceptable then be prepared to leave.

I think those are easy ruled evryone can follow.

In Pak more or less Christians have freedom to practice their religion and they are living here from centuries. Overall peace and harmony is there. The few incidents against Christians were more or less been framed for ulterior motives. We should see that we are not champions of democracy and literacy rate is low yet conditions were becoming better. However since foreign powers intervention in our country both Muslims and Non Muslims are suffering.

But being champions of humanity and peace European countries should also address their own faults as most of the Muslims who acted violently there were mostly European by birth. The answer for Muslim violence against west lies in words of Pope who addressed that main culprits of wars in the world are Arms producing countries. The Christians are not guests in Pakistan but they share equal rights as Muslims at least by law.

 

[flamer84]

In Pak more or less Christians have freedom to practice their religion and they are living here from centuries. Overall peace and harmony is there. The few incidents against Christians were more or less been framed for ulterior motives. We should see that we are not champions of democracy and literacy rate is low yet conditions were becoming better. However since foreign powers intervention in our country both Muslims and Non Muslims are suffering.

But being champions of humanity and peace European countries should also address their own faults as most of the Muslims who acted violently there were mostly European by birth. The answer for Muslim violence against west lies in words of Pope who addressed that main culprits of wars in the world are Arms producing countries. The Christians are not guests in Pakistan but they share equal rights as Muslims at least by law.

Do you realise that there are tons of poor white,Christian Europeans ? Many more than Muslims even but they don't resort to terrorism.In most of Europe education is free.The poor,marginalised excuse is just that...an excuse.I grew up poor,eaten just bread in some days in the 90's.I went to school,worked during college ,ocasionally blamed my parents for it when I didn;t have pocket money to go out with girls but it worked out in the end.

Apart for free education what do you want.....free plasma tv's and iphone 7's since birth ?

 

[SQ8]

Ofcourse......

If one chooses to ignore the Greek culture,the Etruscan culture,the Roman Empire who predate Islam by many,many years.Nevermind that these European cultures are the main reservoir of knowledge for islamic culture.

They were all interdependent. And no, these were not the main reservoir. Perhaps you forget Persia.
Or maybe we should all go back to Africa and Lucy the original ancestor.
Somehow her death will also be linked to Muslims in your head.

 

[flamer84]

They were all interdependent. And no, these were not the main reservoir. Perhaps you forget Persia.
Or maybe we should all go back to Africa and Lucy the original ancestor.
Somehow her death will also be linked to Muslims in your head.

We were talking about how Europe was a shit hole before muslim civilisation,as per your affirmation.Which,just isn't true.

Btw,the "Dark Ages" weren't so dark as popular mythology portrays them.

 

[MarkusS]

In Pak more or less Christians have freedom to practice their religion and they are living here from centuries. Overall peace and harmony is there. The few incidents against Christians were more or less been framed for ulterior motives. We should see that we are not champions of democracy and literacy rate is low yet conditions were becoming better. However since foreign powers intervention in our country both Muslims and Non Muslims are suffering.

But being champions of humanity and peace European countries should also address their own faults as most of the Muslims who acted violently there were mostly European by birth. The answer for Muslim violence against west lies in words of Pope who addressed that main culprits of wars in the world are Arms producing countries. The Christians are not guests in Pakistan but they share equal rights as Muslims at least by law.

im aware of our faults. But i expect guests to behave like guests. The situation is serious and evryone knows that. The pope is wrong. And i say that as a catholic. The west is not to blame for islamic terrorism. They kill each other since 1000 years. Weapons are just tools. If they have no weapons they kill each other with stones. I believe muslims must see their own failures. As long they say ISIS is not islam and stay silent, they are guilty. When you blame others for your own mistakes you have no ability to correct yourself.

That said, italy is a deeply christian bations and i expect from anyone to respect that.

 

[SQ8]

We were talking about how Europe was a shit hole before muslim civilisation,as per your affirmation.Which,just isn't true.

Btw,the "Dark Ages" weren't so dark as popular mythology portrays them.

It is actually. leaving aside the areas in contact with Asia. Religious persecution, feudalism, rejection of science and scientific method.