Why is South Korea so obsessed with Japan?

[waz]

To a degree I'd say yes.
Anyway Japan for the win.

I'd be obsessed to if my neighbour wielded such power.

 

[Shotgunner51]

At the same time, we cannot blame Park Chung hee. You know ? Because he lived in a different world, when he lived, Korea was just as any other prefecture in Japan.

Yes those were personal facts about Park, the first president. The fact was they can't decide their political system at that time, the rest we all know - military dictatorship. Another fact is, military dictatorship now replaced by democracy.

The questions are:

1) Since SK is already a democracy nowadays, how come there is regime legitimacy issue?

2) If there is no legitimacy issue of contemporary political system, people elect their president, how come personal background of one ex-president relate to a persistent emotion vs a foreign nation shared by majority of the populace?

3) If Koreans hate Park, is it because of his special connection to Imperial Japan? If so, would it be reasonable to say the root cause is that Koreans hate Imperial Japan, and as a consequence they extend hate to their agents in Korea?

Can somebody help laying out the logic please, thanks!

@FairAndUnbiased

 

[FairAndUnbiased]

Yes those were personal facts about Park, the first president. The fact was they can't decide their political system at that time, the rest we all know - military dictatorship. Another fact is, military dictatorship now replaced by democracy.

The questions are:

1) Since SK is already a democracy nowadays, how come there is regime legitimacy issue?

2) If there is no legitimacy issue of contemporary political system, people elect their president, how come personal background of one ex-president relate to a persistent emotion vs a foreign nation shared by majority of the populace?

3) If Koreans hate Park, is it because of his special connection to Imperial Japan? If so, would it be reasonable to say the root cause is that Koreans hate Imperial Japan, and as a consequence they extend hate to their agents in Korea?

Can somebody help laying out the logic please, thanks!

@FairAndUnbiased

Just as the original article says, Korean nationalism is not nationalism for South Korea. It is nationalism for Korea - the civilization of Korea. They don't necessarily care very much for the state of South Korea itself.

Here is what you must realize: elections does not guarantee legitimacy of a country because it may be the case that all options given (and there are never infinite options) are all illegitimate. The very system set up in South Korea today is viewed as questionable in its legitimacy because its origins were in foreign occupation (Japanese then US). It is not wholly illegitimate, but questionable. Meanwhile, North Korea has no legitimacy issues, and that scares South Korean's leadership; no matter what they do, no matter how bad North Korea is, they will have this one blot on their record that North Korea never had. This is also why the KMT has a forever scarred record: they have proven Japanese collaborators and traitors in their party (Wang Jingwei), and proven cowards (Chiang Kai Shek before Xi'an incident), forever recorded in history, while CPC has never been proven to be cowards or traitors. At worst, CPC can be proven to be incompetent or cruel, but never cowardly or treasonous. That is why KMT can never achieve CPC's level of legitimacy.

 

[Jlaw]

I feel like you get hurt, bro, this is not a shame, admit it. For every single Chinese pop star, Vietnamese builds a FB page, go and search them, I don't want to list them all. Again still my words, ask any Chinese on the street, what you're, the symbol of ugly and backward.

It's not hard to find Vietnamese dubbed Chinese movies and series. They can't get enough of Chinese series. Now they are starting a trend to dub korean movies.

Also look at all those vietnamese pop songs using Chinese music.

I’m sorry to say this but they are right. Let’s put it this way, do people in China watch Vietnamese movie? No. However, there are ALWAYS Chinese dramas playing on Viet TV. I sometime complain to the TV station about this. Also, Vietnamese still keep practicing Chinese culture like eating with chopstick, celebrating Chinese new year, keeping Chinese surname, etc.

I think I am the only pure Vietnamese member here. I only eat with chopstick when in Asian resturants or at Asian friends house. I don’t celebrate Chinese new year (tet), if my little niece and nephew come asking me for some red evelopes, I just tell them to **** off I ain’t Chinese. When I get marry, I’m planning to change my surname together with my wife, we’ll create out own surname.

But to the rest of you Vietnamese who can’t do what I do, then I’d say yes, you are obsess with China and still a Chinese wannabe. Nothing wrong with that but you have to admit it.



Then why do you keep staying and posting here? It seems like you secretly like the Chinese.

It would interesting to see what other surnames Vietnamese can come up with that is more "Vietnamese"

 

[Aepsilons]

Yes those were personal facts about Park, the first president. The fact was they can't decide their political system at that time, the rest we all know - military dictatorship. Another fact is, military dictatorship now replaced by democracy.

The questions are:

1) Since SK is already a democracy nowadays, how come there is regime legitimacy issue?

2) If there is no legitimacy issue of contemporary political system, people elect their president, how come personal background of one ex-president relate to a persistent emotion vs a foreign nation shared by majority of the populace?

3) If Koreans hate Park, is it because of his special connection to Imperial Japan? If so, would it be reasonable to say the root cause is that Koreans hate Imperial Japan, and as a consequence they extend hate to their agents in Korea?

Can somebody help laying out the logic please, thanks!

@FairAndUnbiased

Great questions, bro. I'll have to spend some time to review these questions / sub questions and give a detailed answer. Need to definitely go over South Korean / Korean political science journals , lol!

 

[SQ8]

Them F-15Ks came for a reason. It wasnt the North.

 

[Indus Falcon]

Them F-15Ks came for a reason. It wasnt the North.

Good catch

 

[Aepsilons]

Them F-15Ks came for a reason. It wasnt the North.

Good point. Sometimes I question whether or not Koreans have a subliminal fear of being invaded again by Japan. Perhaps , in the Korean national sense, the term 'Japanese' or 'ILBO NIM' is almost associated with boogeyman status.

 

[Edison Chen]

It's not hard to find Vietnamese dubbed Chinese movies and series. They can't get enough of Chinese series. Now they are starting a trend to dub korean movies.

Also look at all those vietnamese pop songs using Chinese music.

Yes, I know some Vietnamese, one said they have viet subtitles for many many Chinese TV series, movies, songs, talkshows.....This is different from our dear Vietnamese friends here, now who is lying, it's obvious.

 

[Aepsilons]

Yes, I know some Vietnamese, one said they have viet subtitles for many many Chinese TV series, movies, songs, talkshows.....This is different from our dear Vietnamese friends here, now who is lying, it's obvious.

Definitely.

I notice that Chinese pop hits usually receive Vietnamese, Thai renditions and become popular in those countries. For example, let me show....



Original: Alex Toh "Baby I'm so sorry"

The Thai and Vietnamese renditions:

Thai


----

This song is popularized in Vietnam media...as there are various renditions:

 

[DaiViet]

It's not hard to find Vietnamese dubbed Chinese movies and series. They can't get enough of Chinese series. Now they are starting a trend to dub korean movies.

Also look at all those vietnamese pop songs using Chinese music.



It would interesting to see what other surnames Vietnamese can come up with that is more "Vietnamese"

Sure there is Chinese dub movies, so does there is dub Korean, American...etc. in Vietnamese. You must not watch enough movies in Vietnamese. Viet watch Chinese movies because there is similarity in culture and history with China. Most Chinese movies Viet watch are those Cantonese Hong Kong movies as there are large Cantonese speakers in Vietnam, thus Vietnamese many consider Cantonese as their brothers Nam Viet kingdom is now Han slaves. How many of your mainland movies Viet watch? Now day Korean and western movies favor on top of Cantonese Hongkong even though Korean and Western concept vast different with Vietnamese culture.

Judging Vietnamese obsess to Chinese based on dub movies, you out of your mind, so the world obsess American then, indeed. did someone just post Jurassic Park. Go to Youtube type in what Viet think of Chinese, answer is, loud, dirty, cheap......etc. what Viet think of America, answer is they like....so if we Viet obsess with China then we obsess Korean and American 100 times then.

Obsession is wanna be, if we dont wanna be you how do we obsess you? Im sure Korean wanna be Japan. We sure dont wanna be Chinese.
your brain has to many flaws,,,,, you future will suck.

 

[xesy]

Hey, since when we must slap a national flag on each and every piece of art? Music is an international language, and one does not need educations to enjoy it. Of course conflicting govts do not want its people to admire the other side songs because they fear their people might take sympathy to the enemy. But are we in war yet? Do we really hate each other that much to not be able to enjoy a good piece of music?

Don't bring our hatred or politics matter to art, otherwise it'll just become a propaganda tool. That's my point, thank you for reading.

 

[Aepsilons]

Hey, since when we must slap a national flag on each and every piece of art? Music is an international language, and one does not need educations to enjoy it. Of course conflicting govts do not want its people to admire the other side songs because they fear their people might take sympathy to the enemy. But are we in war yet? Do we really hate each other that much to not be able to enjoy a good piece of music?

Don't bring our hatred or politics matter to art, otherwise it'll just become a propaganda tool. That's my point, thank you for reading.

Good point @xesy . Sometimes we all tend to, in the heat of argumentation, applying disagreements focused on Politics to non-political areas such as the arts, education, society. That's not good.

Hey, since when we must slap a national flag on each and every piece of art? Music is an international language, and one does not need educations to enjoy it. Of course conflicting govts do not want its people to admire the other side songs because they fear their people might take sympathy to the enemy. But are we in war yet? Do we really hate each other that much to not be able to enjoy a good piece of music?

Don't bring our hatred or politics matter to art, otherwise it'll just become a propaganda tool. That's my point, thank you for reading.

by the way , welcome back to the forum! haven't seen you post in a long time, buddy.

 

[prima99]

any countries in asia have a bone to pick with japan, especially korea and china. japan has apologized to them plenty of times already but it's still not enough, thus hates turned into obsession.

the koreans even copy japanese snacks for Example : Pocky (Japan) vs Pepero (Korea). (i could post the video for it, but i cannot yet. you can look it on youtube)

they should learn to forget about the past. Indonesia and Philippines can, why they can't? [though in indonesia case it's more of benefit for them since japan build the military for them (old imperial japanese army = today indonesian army) and they also kills the damned Dutch out of our land too. we even use the Imperial Japanese calendar till today]

 

[Aepsilons]

any countries in asia have a bone to pick with japan, especially korea and china. japan has apologized to them plenty of times already but it's still not enough, thus hates turned into obsession.

the koreans even copy japanese snacks for Example : Pocky (Japan) vs Pepero (Korea). (i could post the video for it, but i cannot yet. you can look it on youtube)

they should learn to forget about the past. Indonesia and Philippines can, why they can't? [though in indonesia case it's more of benefit for them since japan build the military for them (old imperial japanese army = today indonesian army) and they also kills the damned Dutch out of our land too. we even use the Imperial Japanese calendar till today]

Liberation of Indonesia from the Dutch was one of the greatest, lasting success stories of the IJA. Many of our soldiers also stayed in Indonesia after the end of the war to help fight for Indonesian independence from the Dutch. Thousands stayed. Thousands more adopted into Indonesian life by converting to Islam and marrying local Indonesian women.

any countries in asia have a bone to pick with japan, especially korea and china. japan has apologized to them plenty of times already but it's still not enough, thus hates turned into obsession.

the koreans even copy japanese snacks for Example : Pocky (Japan) vs Pepero (Korea). (i could post the video for it, but i cannot yet. you can look it on youtube)

they should learn to forget about the past. Indonesia and Philippines can, why they can't? [though in indonesia case it's more of benefit for them since japan build the military for them (old imperial japanese army = today indonesian army) and they also kills the damned Dutch out of our land too. we even use the Imperial Japanese calendar till today]

Not just in Indonesia; Japanese soldiers and officers also actively helped with the Viet Minh in training them for future anti-colonial war with the French. In fact, over 5000 IJA soldiers stayed in Vietnam to fight with the Viets against the French.




--------------------------


ANYWAYS

Why are Koreans so obsessed about Japanese?

Japanese have swag, we don't try to be cool. We just are.