Why is metro rail construction costlier in Bangladesh?

[Bombaywalla]

Have you? Dhaka has density of 44,500/km2 and second Mumbai has 31,700/km2 which is a gigantic difference. And as for the idiot that bought Delhi, 10th densest city has 9,600/km2 and your Delhi isn't even in the top 10.

https://www.weforum.org/agenda/2017/05/these-are-the-world-s-most-crowded-cities/

Dhaka is an unplanned city and the densest by a mile and a half, as I have said before. Which makes it costly for new projects like this where you have to spend so much money before metro itself begins building. We probably have to acquire more privately owned land, redo other infrastructure that is in the way of metro lines. Also the fact that it's being build by foreign institute JICA and have to import a lot of the products raising the cost higher.

The margin isn’t colossal. Are there any residential and/or commercial structures along the route that are slated for demolition?

Everything in your country is imported... sad, but that still doesn’t account for the much higher cost of construction of an elevated line Vs a traditionally more expensive fully underground line in an equally challenging city (though much better planned and liveable). I’ll let @gslv mk3 get into the specifics and numbers if he has the time to.

What’s important here is that Dhaka is finally going to be slightly more liveable. Better late than never.

 

[Tanveer666]

Anyone aware of fares that Dhaka metro is contemplating owing to increasing costs? Metros are popular because they have guaranteed ETA from point A to B.

Now a majority of Indians works in time sensitive fields or their scheduled tied as both parents are working.

Now I wonder who in Bangladesh would want a guaranteed travel time where society, to put mildly, is tad primitive to other metros. And garments industry doesn't demand employees to be strictly by the clock.

As someone said, why would 8 Bangladeshis would travel in 1 m^2

So thats why Indians like to shit in the street. They are so punctual that they would rather shit in the streets, en route to work, than spend 5 mins 'sitting around' at home.

jokes aside, rest assured, there are plenty of people (white collar workers or not) who might utilize this.

 

[bête noire]

The margin isn’t colossal. Are there any residential and/or commercial structures along the route that are slated for demolition?

Everything in your country is imported... sad, but that still doesn’t account for the much higher cost of construction of an elevated line Vs a traditionally more expensive fully underground line in an equally challenging city (though much better planned and liveable). I’ll let @gslv mk3 get into the specifics and numbers if he has the time to.

What’s important here is that Dhaka is finally going to be slightly more liveable. Better late than never.

40% more dense than Mumbai is nothing but colossal. There has been deconstruction and reconstruction of underground water infra in places and other infras along metro lines.

And stop pretending that underground, elevated are everything and not the number of stations, capacity to hold people, depot size and the city that it's built in etc. All of your metros don't have the same specs. All of your cities' build metros according to what that specific city needs. Throwing all of them in one basket is absurd. Also, while comparing your other cities which isn't Mumbai, lets' face it, Dhaka is not remotely comparable to them with it's massive population in a tiny area. Stop comparing with cities like Chennai or Lucknao where the density is negative 2 people/km2.

 

[gslv mk3]

The margin isn’t colossal. Are there any residential and/or commercial structures along the route that are slated for demolition?

They can't substantiate their arguments with cost breakup from any official sources. And they don't have any access to such data because the detailed project report is not even in the public domain . And this is a public funded project !!!

And stop pretending that underground, elevated are everything and not the number of stations, capacity to hold people, depot size

All of this bullshit was debunked a while back. Stop being stupid.

Stop comparing with cities like Chennai or Lucknao where the density is negative 2 people/km2.

 

[Bombaywalla]

40% more dense than Mumbai is nothing but colossal. There has been deconstruction and reconstruction of underground water infra in places and other infras along metro lines.

It just means that there are a couple more people squashed into a single residential/commercial unit in Dhaka than in Bombay. When a city is in the process of evaluating the rehabilitation of infrastructure PAPs, the calculation isn’t based on numbers of individuals per unit, but family units.

And stop pretending that underground, elevated are everything and not the number of stations, capacity to hold people, depot size and the city that it's built in etc. All of your metros don't have the same specs. All of your cities' build metros according to what that specific city needs. Throwing all of them in one basket is absurd.

What now? I mentioned my own city, Bombay, which faces similar hurdles as Dhaka, yet goes to build a 33.5km standard gauge underground line comprising of 26 stations at a much lower cost than the first 20.1km of Dhaka’s elevated line.

 

[danger007]

So thats why Indians like to shit in the street. They are so punctual that they would rather shit in the streets, en route to work, than spend 5 mins 'sitting around' at home.

jokes aside, rest assured, there are plenty of people (white collar workers or not) who might utilize this.

Come and clean.. no one stopping you..

 

[Nilgiri]

Have you? Dhaka has density of 44,500/km2 and second Mumbai has 31,700/km2 which is a gigantic difference. And as for the idiot that bought Delhi, 10th densest city has 9,600/km2 and your Delhi isn't even in the top 10.

https://www.weforum.org/agenda/2017/05/these-are-the-world-s-most-crowded-cities/

Dhaka is an unplanned city and the densest by a mile and a half, as I have said before. Which makes it costly for new projects like this where you have to spend so much money before metro itself begins building. We probably have to acquire more privately owned land, redo other infrastructure that is in the way of metro lines. Also the fact that it's being build by foreign institute JICA and have to import a lot of the products raising the cost higher.

Dhaka is an open sewer slum. Its extremely low liveability rate with nowhere near the hard physical residential ownership like Mumbai.

Thus its comparing apples and oranges. BD would nowhere near find it as expensive to build a metro (esp underground) on direct land pricing costs given in many areas it can quite simply and cheaply raze the squatter spots and slums if need be or use eminent domain clause quite cheaply too. There is barely anything in Dhaka worth designing around and taking into account.

The biggest added cost for BD thus comes from its heavy reliance on foreign industry to make the goods and provide the services for a metro project....because BD is quite simply put a LDC.

 

[Chaosmaster]

And as for the idiot that bought Delhi, 10th densest city has 9,600/km2 and your Delhi isn't even in the top 10.

I am the so called "Idiot" as per your "Wisdom". Frankly I had made my point that we don't even want to compare, but you can check if your eyes work who started this thread and so many others. Even the person who wrote this article has directly compared Dhaka tin can metro to indian metros and didn't specify which one he is talking about. Now we presented u the example of delhi metro, Mumbai metro and Hyderabad metro. None of them are acceptable to you. Maybe you can tell dhaka "tin can" metro is better than which Indian metro system as said in the article and claimed by ur fellow. And that same gentleman who started this comparison has no guts to reply when shown facts about our metro systems and asked to prove how and in which ways Dhaka "tin can" metro is better than ours, he vanishes and starts other threads bad mouthing my country.
You can read my previous posts on this thread to see where I stand on this but I highly doubt your education has provided you the desirable level of comprehension skills.
PS:- Show some respect kiddo. Consider term 'tin can' for your metro a generosity on my part. I could use some very interesting words for u as well if u don't change ur tone.

 

[Michael Corleone]

Corruption coupled with incompetence, ignorant journalists and backing of people justifying this on baseless grounds can do wonders.

More than half of it is funded by JICA, no chance of corruption so do a little bit of research before speaking.

 

[danger007]

Have you? Dhaka has density of 44,500/km2 and second Mumbai has 31,700/km2 which is a gigantic difference. And as for the idiot that bought Delhi, 10th densest city has 9,600/km2 and your Delhi isn't even in the top 10.

https://www.weforum.org/agenda/2017/05/these-are-the-world-s-most-crowded-cities/

Dhaka is an unplanned city and the densest by a mile and a half, as I have said before. Which makes it costly for new projects like this where you have to spend so much money before metro itself begins building. We probably have to acquire more privately owned land, redo other infrastructure that is in the way of metro lines. Also the fact that it's being build by foreign institute JICA and have to import a lot of the products raising the cost higher.

Every metro need private land. I may agree about density, but land cost ???? Do you want to say land cost is higher than that in Mumbai, Delhi?

 

[Bilal9]

Butthurt Indian trolls are crying sour grapes in this thread because they put in a proposal to build the metro here but we politely showed them the door.

 

[Bombaywalla]

What happens when Indians try to reason with products of pdf-educated LD-deshis? You get comments on the lines of post #41.

As @gslv mk3 had said earlier, there isn’t an iota of data provided by these poorly informed people to back up their tall claims of “bigger and better”; it’s all faff, and that is about the best they can do.

 

[bête noire]

I am the so called "Idiot" as per your "Wisdom". Frankly I had made my point that we don't even want to compare, but you can check if your eyes work who started this thread and so many others. Even the person who wrote this article has directly compared Dhaka tin can metro to indian metros and didn't specify which one he is talking about. Now we presented u the example of delhi metro, Mumbai metro and Hyderabad metro. None of them are acceptable to you. Maybe you can tell dhaka "tin can" metro is better than which Indian metro system as said in the article and claimed by ur fellow. And that same gentleman who started this comparison has no guts to reply when shown facts about our metro systems and asked to prove how and in which ways Dhaka "tin can" metro is better than ours, he vanishes and starts other threads bad mouthing my country.
You can read my previous posts on this thread to see where I stand on this but I highly doubt your education has provided you the desirable level of comprehension skills.
PS:- Show some respect kiddo. Consider term 'tin can' for your metro a generosity on my part. I could use some very interesting words for u as well if u don't change ur tone.

Where is your comment on Delhi? Did you delete it? Either way, that's some serious issue you have, to cry so much over an offhanded remark.

It just means that there are a couple more people squashed into a single residential/commercial unit in Dhaka than in Bombay. When a city is in the process of evaluating the rehabilitation of infrastructure PAPs, the calculation isn’t based on numbers of individuals per unit, but family units.




What now? I mentioned my own city, Bombay, which faces similar hurdles as Dhaka, yet goes to build a 33.5km standard gauge underground line comprising of 26 stations at a much lower cost than the first 20.1km of Dhaka’s elevated line.

No, it means less roads and more buildings. And Metro line 3 of Mumbai that you are speaking of, would cost $104+ million/km. Very cheap for underground metro especially compared to Dhaka which will be elevated.

Every metro need private land. I may agree about density, but land cost ???? Do you want to say land cost is higher than that in Mumbai, Delhi?

Why 'may'? The difference with every metro needing private land is the scale. The thing is, density in Dhaka doesn't mean buildings get taller than the average 8-10 (?) floor. What it does translate to in real problem is Dhaka has less than 7% of land covered by roads where the recommended is 30 to 40%. Don't know about Mumbai but guessing Delhi doesn't have this problem. On top of that, most of those roads have underground pipelines and other infrastructures already in place because, well, we needed them. Add in all the inexperience, foreign entity and importation, and cost goes up. There is much more to metro cost than getting raw materials and just building one.

 

[Chaosmaster]

Where is your comment on Delhi? Did you delete it?

So u remember I brought up delhi but don't remember or cant read where it is now? Hence my point about your comprehension skills stands proved.

[QUOTE="Ashik Mahmud, post: 10325207, member: 186647"Either way, that's some serious issue you have, to cry so much over an offhanded remark.
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Maybe these so called "off handed remark" may be normal for your company, they aren't for me. I talk in a respective manner and expect the same from other person and if u cant then just keep that shithole for a mouth u have shut. If u make such "off handed remarks" about me, don't expect me to take them quietly.
Good day.

 

[N.Siddiqui]

Why 'may'? The difference with every metro needing private land is the scale. The thing is, density in Dhaka doesn't mean buildings get taller than the average 8-10 (?) floor. What it does translate to in real problem is Dhaka has less than 7% of land covered by roads where the recommended is 30 to 40%. Don't know about Mumbai but guessing Delhi doesn't have this problem. On top of that, most of those roads have underground pipelines and other infrastructures already in place because, well, we needed them. Add in all the inexperience, foreign entity and importation, and cost goes up. There is much more to metro cost than getting raw materials and just building one.

No denying the fact that Bangladesh is land stressed, also just one big cosmo city Dacca is getting too much population pressure due to inland economic migration to the main city. All the textile related RMG industry is scattered in and around Dacca putting in the extra pressure. Some reverse migration is needed.

This is the common mistake we do in all south Asian cities, instead of developing and investing on smaller towns, the villages and country sides, the smaller towns in health and education and providing jobs there, we tend to invest more on already developed city/cities, and due to the employment available as such project like Metro and other industries are labor intensive...people tend to migrate in droves to the urban cities adding to the high density, and more cutter...and more chaos.

A more holistic, inclusive development model is needed....