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This should be featured by Ripley’s Believe It Or Not: Indian scientists can develop, launch and guide a spacecraft to Mars 650 million km away, but they cannot produce a simple assault rifle that works.

The standard issue Indian Small Arms Systems (INSAS) rifle is so unreliable that both the Indian Army and counter-insurgency forces have asked for Russian replacements. In fact, Indian soldiers and police, with the tacit approval of their commanders, already use Kalashnikov rifles captured from terrorists and criminals to get the job done.

The 300,000-strong Central Reserve Police Force (CRPF) has decided to completely shun the indigenous INSAS, and wants 100 per cent of its soldiers in Maoist-infested areas to be equipped with AK-47s. According to the CRPF, while the error percentage in AK guns is 0.02 per cent, in INSAS it is 3 per cent. “We have found that our men are more confident with the AK series rifles,” said CRPF chief Dilip Trivedi.

In response to the SOS, the Indian government has imported 67,000 Kalashnikovs for the CRPF. India has spent approximately $500 million in INSAS procurement and looks like the money wasn’t well-spent.


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Army wants AKs too
Retired Lt Gen Syed Ata Hasnain, is also an AK admirer. The former commander of the Srinagar based 15 Corps had his encounter with the legendary Russian rifle when he rejoined his unit during Operation Pawan, in Sri Lanka. “We had a few captured 7.62 mm AK 47s which were reserved for the Ghatak platoon and for a couple of scouts while we conducted jungle bashing,” he says.

Lt Gen Hasnain adds: “The captured AK series, worn and grimy from LTTE (Tamil guerrillas) over use, carried a romantic aura about it. The greatest thing was that it could fire in automatic mode. Why is that important? In the jungle or urban terrain, response at close quarters is a recurring phenomenon. Automatic high rate of fire from a weapon with an enhanced capacity magazine has far greater chances of success, especially in the crucial two minutes of the first contact.”

The INSAS, on the other hand, has performed badly, touching its nadir in the 1999 Kargil War. The new 5.56 calibre rifle either jammed or its components would crack, said an Indian Army officer.

Also, sometimes the gun would fire in full-auto mode when the selector switch was turned to the burst mode (three shots at a time). Incredibly, it didn't have a full-auto mode. "AK rifles were hurriedly sent to the frontline," the officer adds. "The Kalashnikovs were both life-savers and face-savers for us at Kargil."

Another officer of 17 Garhwal Rifles who battled militancy in Kashmir believes the AK-47 gave him and his troops a big morale boost. "Once I was chasing a militant armed with an AK-56. That chap just ran, but kept on firing his rifle. And then my SLR jammed. I lay flat on the ground, hoping that my adversary won't stop to turn back; if he did, I would be done for. Thankfully, he never did. But others weren't that lucky. But when we got the AKs, the situation changed completely. I knew I had 30 rounds of rock and roll and no bloody militant would dare face me when my Kalashnikov opened up," he said.

Exit wounds

Kalashnikovs to check in at Sheremetyevo Airport


Trouble-free operation and low maintenance aside, the Kalashnikov – especially the AK-47 – has another advantage. Unlike bullets fired from other rifles, its larger 7.62 mm bullet creates a mushroom-like mini blast at the entry point. This causes disruption of tissues, leading to greater trauma and blood loss.

Before the INSAS, the India soldier’s standard issue weapon was the 7.62 mm SLR. Apparently, someone decided to copy western military doctrine, according to which a rifle should incapacitate a solider instead of killing him, thus increasing the logistics burden for his mates. However, as the Indian soldier’s experiences in a wide range of conflicts have proved, a gun with a higher kill capacity is better. Bigger is always better, and the 7.62 round is deadlier than the 5.56 mm of the INSAS.

Lessons from Vietnam
The Vietnam War was the first conflict in history in which assault rifles were used by both sides on an extensive scale.

Vietnamese soldiers were fortunate to get that era’s most advanced rifle – the AK-47. The rifle was remarkably low-maintenance, translating into better performance in Vietnam’s wet and humid environment.

In contrast, the American infantryman was armed with the shockingly poor Colt M16, which jammed so often that newly arriving American soldiers would enact the macabre drama of walking amidst injured or dying American soldiers to grab M16s that hadn’t jammed during battle.

There were numerous instances of American platoons losing fire-fights because of malfunctioning M16s. The situation was so dire that some Americans started picking up AK-47s that belonged to dead Vietnamese soldiers, Esquire magazine reports.

On one occasion a US sergeant carrying an AK-47 was stopped by his commander, who demanded to know why he was carrying a Russian weapon. The sergeant replied, “Because it works!”


Kalashnikov completed a huge rebranding campaign
Real vs fake AKs
Since corruption and kickbacks are an integral part of Indian defence imports, it wouldn’t be out of place to question why India imports knockoffs – albeit better than shoddy INSAS – from countries like Romania and Poland. Why not import directly from Russia which is the home of the Kalashnikov, and which sets the quality benchmark?

Maybe it’s easier to cover up the corruption trail when the supplier is a relatively obscure East European supplier. Or perhaps the East Europeans have piles of AK-47s mothballed after the end of the Cold War and are able to offer a discount.

Buying the cheaper version doesn’t really matter if the item is, say, a coastal patrol boat. But a rifle is a different matter. Although Mikhail Kalashnikov came up with such a fantastic design that even the Romanians can’t wreck it, there is bound to be a difference in quality between the original versus the copy.

Second tier quality for the humble soldier reeks of discrimination. If India is going in for the world’s best dogfighter – the Su-30MKI, which costs $65 million per plane – why should the Indian soldier be given a $600 Romanian copy when the Russian original costs only a couple of hundred dollars more?

The clever learn from their own mistakes. The wise learn from the mistakes of others. However, India is unique – it just refuses to learn.
 
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Since corruption and kickbacks are an integral part of Indian defence imports, it wouldn’t be out of place to question why India imports knockoffs – albeit better than shoddy INSAS
What Pathetic Lie Insas Better than Standard AK Both Accuracy And Reliability

Both are Outdated Now

Excalibur

The prototype had two stoppages after firing 24,000 rounds, which was very close the army's specification of one stoppage. It was also reported that another prototype of Excalibur, AR-2, was being prepared which would fire 7.62x39 mm rounds of the AK-47

By September 2015, it had passed the water and mud tests, which four of the foreign rifles in the tender competition had failed. It was also reported 200 rifles were being manufactured and that prototype would undergo formal trials in late 2015

Four rifles Which failed the test

February 2014, the four rifles remaining in the competition were the CZ-805, ARX-160, Galil ACE, and Colt Combat Rifle.
 
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What Pathetic Lie Insas Better than Standard AK Both Accuracy And Reliability

Both are Outdated Now

The prototype had two stoppages after firing 24,000 rounds, which was very close the army's specification of one stoppage. It was also reported that another prototype of Excalibur, AR-2, was being prepared which would fire 7.62x39 mm rounds of the AK-47

The prototype had two stoppages after firing 24,000 rounds, which was very close the army's specification of one stoppage. It was also reported that another prototype of Excalibur, AR-2, was being prepared which would fire 7.62x39 mm rounds of the AK-47.




If you are right, then the CRPF is wrong:

CRPF asks govt to replace all its Insas guns with AK rifles :Nov 13, 2014
 
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If you are right, then the CRPF is wrong:

CRPF asks govt to replace all its Insas guns with AK rifles :Nov 13, 2014
Here they talking About older Insas Which in service for decades I just Shown you Field Tests of Excalibur which failed by All four western weapons the four rifles remaining in the competition were the CZ-805, ARX-160, Galil ACE, and Colt Combat Rifle

Now ,The Army is most Corrupt And Most Incompetent Force of the Three Services they Only Love foreign Kick backs and Money And Products

They are Nabbed by CAG Multiple times in case of Arjun tank and other Indigenous products

This End Result Of their Incompetence


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When they can have Indegenous Products for only few hundred crores

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The Army is most Corrupt And Most Incompetent Force of the Three Services

And with such corrupt army, India wants to fight two front war simultaneously with China & Pakistan?

Your logic makes no logic.
 
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And with such corrupt army, India wants to fight two front war simultaneously with China & Pakistan?

Your logic makes no logic.
Yes this what we have i Just shown you reality How pathetic corrupt is Indian army
which have Mountainous requirements which even the best Rifles in the world cannot full fill


This a Glimpse of that Please

In the winter of 2013 in Leh, the Army was expected to begin the winter trials of the short-listed rifles: Beretta ARX 160from Italy, CZ-805 BREN from Czech Republic, ACE 1 of Israel Weapon Industries, SIG Sauer SG 551 from Switzerlandand the Colt Combat Rifle from the USA, a variant of the M16A1 made for the Indian Army's requirements. By February 2014, the four rifles remaining in the competition were the CZ-805, ARX-160, Galil ACE, and Colt Combat Rifle. The Indian Army began the final round of trials for its requirement for 5.56 mm carbines in June 2014. The remaining rifles were the Beretta ARX-160, Colt M4, and IWI Galil ACE.By October 2014, only the Galil ACE and ARX-160 were left in the competition. However, the Army sent a letter to the manufacturers on 15 June 2015, to notify them that the tender has been retracted:crazy::crazy::lol::lol:

 
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If you are right, then the CRPF is wrong:

CRPF asks govt to replace all its Insas guns with AK rifles :Nov 13, 2014

Only if you knew the respective design philosophies of the rifles in question, and also the characteristics of the rounds they are chambered for. :disagree:
 
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What Pathetic Lie Insas Better than Standard AK Both Accuracy And Reliability

Both are Outdated Now

Excalibur

The prototype had two stoppages after firing 24,000 rounds, which was very close the army's specification of one stoppage. It was also reported that another prototype of Excalibur, AR-2, was being prepared which would fire 7.62x39 mm rounds of the AK-47

By September 2015, it had passed the water and mud tests, which four of the foreign rifles in the tender competition had failed. It was also reported 200 rifles were being manufactured and that prototype would undergo formal trials in late 2015

Four rifles Which failed the test

February 2014, the four rifles remaining in the competition were the CZ-805, ARX-160, Galil ACE, and Colt Combat Rifle.
I beg to differ. Our OFs are more concerned about their OTs than anything else. Not going into whether army is corrupt, or whether it is a planted news etc, it is highly unlikely that our OFs can design and manufacture any remotely reliable and operable weapon system. The fault is in the model around which the organization is built and operate. From the recruitment to daily op.. just rotten. Some of my colleagues visited them (one of the factory) in 2007/08 to install and train them in CAD software. No one had a clue how to use one till 2007!!
Only allowing pvt companies can get india an indigenous rifle. Period!

PS: don't believe when they say excalibre or any other rifle cleared that test and this test. It is like VW claiming they passed emission test. There are way too many ways tests can be rigged to favor one or the other. It is field performance that ultimately counts.
 
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I beg to differ. Our OFs are more concerned about their OTs than anything else. Not going into whether army is corrupt, or whether it is a planted news etc, it is highly unlikely that our OFs can design and manufacture any remotely reliable and operable weapon system. The fault is in the model around which the organization is built and operate. From the recruitment to daily op.. just rotten. Some of my colleagues visited them (one of the factory) in 2007/08 to install and train them in CAD software. No one had a clue how to use one till 2007!!
Only allowing pvt companies can get india an indigenous rifle. Period!

PS: don't believe when they say excalibre or any other rifle cleared that test and this test. It is like VW claiming they passed emission test. There are way too many ways tests can be rigged to favor one or the other. It is field performance that ultimately counts.
Believe Me or Not I work in the System I just Only Pointing Out Relevant facts
It took Decade for army to Equip common Soldier With Proper SPJ
You can Still Find 60 % the of army having Equipment WW2 Equipments
When Alternatives Like TATA & MKU are Available foe Few bucks Hell army Spends more on Stationary Than SPJ to Soldiers

We're phasing them out en-masse; maybe we could sell them to India?
WE building AK-47 Since ages we Over Million AK-47 in our Reserves so chill out
 
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maybe they only teach their soldier to count upto photy seven
 
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Only if you knew the respective design philosophies of the rifles in question, and also the characteristics of the rounds they are chambered for. :disagree:


AK-47S TO ARM CRPF TO TEETH

http://www.dailypioneer.com/todays-newspaper/ak-47s-to-arm-crpf-to-teeth.html

Modi government must be stupid to not understand the respective design philosophies of the rifles in question, and also the characteristics of the rounds they are chambered for

You are the only omniscient left in the world who writes thesis on assault rifle everyday without obtaining any PhD or patent.
 
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Getting a ak is suicide only thing it is reliable and worlds worst accuracy even ww1 weapon would be more accurate than ak47 .ar 15 and m4 would be a be s great option in close combat it would prove to be a sniper because of its accuracy
 
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AK-47S TO ARM CRPF TO TEETH
http://www.dailypioneer.com/todays-newspaper/ak-47s-to-arm-crpf-to-teeth.html

Modi government must be stupid to not understand the respective design philosophies of the rifles in question, and also the characteristics of the rounds they are chambered for

You are the only omniscient left in the world who writes thesis on assault rifle everyday without obtaining any PhD or patent.
Are Bhai We Produce AK-47 in House Various models of AKM and AKM style rifle in use. A local variant developed and manufactured by the Rifle Factory Ishapore.

http://ofb.gov.in/products/data/weapons/wsc/21.htm
 
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On a serious note, AK-47s are one of the most under-estimated rifles in the world. It's use by insurgents has given it a bad name as the "poor man's gun" - but it's actually quite durable and efficient.

If India combine them with a few attachments, they can become one hell of a CT weapon.
 
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