Featured Why Indian Quadcopters are violating LOC every now & then?

[BHarwana]

In this year (2020) Pakistan has shot down 10th India commercial Quad copter along the LOC. India Quad copters continue the violation of LOC regularly, so one has to question why is India persistently sending these small drones to their death almost every week.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1287410791789068293

Well there are multiple reasons behind it, for this humiliating Indian move of losing a Quad copter every week but for now lets focus on one of the main ones which is the climate of the Kashmir. Yes this climate of Kashmir is what is forcing India to use these drones on a suicide mission.

To address this lets first see what are the options available to a Govt to do image surveillance of a certain area.

1. Satellites
2. Surveillance UAV
3. Spy planes

India has all these three options available to it but yet still every week they use a commercial drone & send that poor piece of machinery to it's ill fate.

So lets start with Satellite.
Well in Kashmir the climate is often sky covered with dense clouds & this makes the job of earth imaging satellites hell & obstructs their imaging capability.
Here is a satellite image of the area where the Quad copter was shot down. The image is at 300m distance & even at this zoomed out distance one can not tell any thing on the ground & this type of weather is very usual in Kashmir making it one of the world most difficult area for Satellite surveillance

This image is from above the LOC & it show that satellite totally fail to provide any type of credible intelligence of the area.

Looking at the weather Image of Kashmir on 26 July the date when drone was shot down. The white area in the image shows cloud & blue area in the image shows clear sky. So from this image one can understand how much clouds were there at LOC which force India to use a Quad copters.

now problem with military UAV & Spy planes. The issue with UAV & spy planes is that there is an Air identification zone at LOC & these assets have to fly at a distance from LOC so to get surveillance of the LOC these assets have to fly high which again brings the issues of clouds & if these assets fly low the sensor angle is blocked by thick vegetation thus leaving Quad copter on a suicide mission as only surveillance option for India.

Here is the today's weather image of the area & still the clouds over it is very dense thus restricting capability of satellites.

Even the weather of this beautiful valley of Kashmir is fighting for independence from India.

 

[Chhatrapati]

All the mountains are covered with ram coating. So that our SAR doesn't pick anything up.

 

[jupiter2007]

I think they bought them in bulk from Amazon.

 

[graphican]

Two possible explanations:

• Indians are afraid, they just want to peak on the Pakistani side to know if they should sleep this night.
• The alternate explanation can be they come here looking for their lost honour - they dropped here in Feb 2019.

Given the opportunity, I believe Indians will pick the first one.

 

[Khan_patriot]

It's probably just bored little subalterns who have got nothing better to do than mess around with the drones.

 

[Skywalker]

in search of snipers

 

[litman]

these drones are doing their job well. pak has shot down 10 drones but the incursions they have made into pak air space could be more then 100. india is getting intelligence by entering into pak air space without annoying pak too much. pak should do the same as well.

 

[Baghial]

In this year (2020) Pakistan has shot down 10th India commercial Quad copter along the LOC. India Quad copters continue the violation of LOC regularly, so one has to question why is India persistently sending these small drones to their death almost every week.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1287410791789068293

Well there are multiple reasons behind it, for this humiliating Indian move of losing a Quad copter every week but for now lets focus on one of the main ones which is the climate of the Kashmir. Yes this climate of Kashmir is what is forcing India to use these drones on a suicide mission.

To address this lets first see what are the options available to a Govt to do image surveillance of a certain area.

1. Satellites
2. Surveillance UAV
3. Spy planes

India has all these three options available to it but yet still every week they use a commercial drone & send that poor piece of machinery to it's ill fate.

So lets start with Satellite.
Well in Kashmir the climate is often sky covered with dense clouds & this makes the job of earth imaging satellites hell & obstructs their imaging capability.
Here is a satellite image of the area where the Quad copter was shot down. The image is at 300m distance & even at this zoomed out distance one can not tell any thing on the ground & this type of weather is very usual in Kashmir making it one of the world most difficult area for Satellite surveillance

This image is from above the LOC & it show that satellite totally fail to provide any type of credible intelligence of the area.

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Looking at the weather Image of Kashmir on 26 July the date when drone was shot down. The white area in the image shows cloud & blue area in the image shows clear sky. So from this image one can understand how much clouds were there at LOC which force India to use a Quad copters.
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now problem with military UAV & Spy planes. The issue with UAV & spy planes is that there is an Air identification zone at LOC & these assets have to fly at a distance from LOC so to get surveillance of the LOC these assets have to fly high which again brings the issues of clouds & if these assets fly low the sensor angle is blocked by thick vegetation thus leaving Quad copter on a suicide mission as only surveillance option for India.

Here is the today's weather image of the area & still the clouds over it is very dense thus restricting capability of satellites.
View attachment 656569

Even the weather of this beautiful valley of Kashmir is fighting for independence from India.

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maybe they want to settle in pakistan, and get the green passport?

 

[PAKISTANFOREVER]

In this year (2020) Pakistan has shot down 10th India commercial Quad copter along the LOC. India Quad copters continue the violation of LOC regularly, so one has to question why is India persistently sending these small drones to their death almost every week.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1287410791789068293

Well there are multiple reasons behind it, for this humiliating Indian move of losing a Quad copter every week but for now lets focus on one of the main ones which is the climate of the Kashmir. Yes this climate of Kashmir is what is forcing India to use these drones on a suicide mission.

To address this lets first see what are the options available to a Govt to do image surveillance of a certain area.

1. Satellites
2. Surveillance UAV
3. Spy planes

India has all these three options available to it but yet still every week they use a commercial drone & send that poor piece of machinery to it's ill fate.

So lets start with Satellite.
Well in Kashmir the climate is often sky covered with dense clouds & this makes the job of earth imaging satellites hell & obstructs their imaging capability.
Here is a satellite image of the area where the Quad copter was shot down. The image is at 300m distance & even at this zoomed out distance one can not tell any thing on the ground & this type of weather is very usual in Kashmir making it one of the world most difficult area for Satellite surveillance

This image is from above the LOC & it show that satellite totally fail to provide any type of credible intelligence of the area.

View attachment 656565

Looking at the weather Image of Kashmir on 26 July the date when drone was shot down. The white area in the image shows cloud & blue area in the image shows clear sky. So from this image one can understand how much clouds were there at LOC which force India to use a Quad copters.
View attachment 656567

now problem with military UAV & Spy planes. The issue with UAV & spy planes is that there is an Air identification zone at LOC & these assets have to fly at a distance from LOC so to get surveillance of the LOC these assets have to fly high which again brings the issues of clouds & if these assets fly low the sensor angle is blocked by thick vegetation thus leaving Quad copter on a suicide mission as only surveillance option for India.

Here is the today's weather image of the area & still the clouds over it is very dense thus restricting capability of satellites.
View attachment 656569

Even the weather of this beautiful valley of Kashmir is fighting for independence from India.

View attachment 656570

Because if they send in their fighter jets, 7x smaller Pakistan would shoot them down.

 

[HAIDER]

In this year (2020) Pakistan has shot down 10th India commercial Quad copter along the LOC. India Quad copters continue the violation of LOC regularly, so one has to question why is India persistently sending these small drones to their death almost every week.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1287410791789068293

Well there are multiple reasons behind it, for this humiliating Indian move of losing a Quad copter every week but for now lets focus on one of the main ones which is the climate of the Kashmir. Yes this climate of Kashmir is what is forcing India to use these drones on a suicide mission.

To address this lets first see what are the options available to a Govt to do image surveillance of a certain area.

1. Satellites
2. Surveillance UAV
3. Spy planes

India has all these three options available to it but yet still every week they use a commercial drone & send that poor piece of machinery to it's ill fate.

So lets start with Satellite.
Well in Kashmir the climate is often sky covered with dense clouds & this makes the job of earth imaging satellites hell & obstructs their imaging capability.
Here is a satellite image of the area where the Quad copter was shot down. The image is at 300m distance & even at this zoomed out distance one can not tell any thing on the ground & this type of weather is very usual in Kashmir making it one of the world most difficult area for Satellite surveillance

This image is from above the LOC & it show that satellite totally fail to provide any type of credible intelligence of the area.

View attachment 656565

Looking at the weather Image of Kashmir on 26 July the date when drone was shot down. The white area in the image shows cloud & blue area in the image shows clear sky. So from this image one can understand how much clouds were there at LOC which force India to use a Quad copters.
View attachment 656567

now problem with military UAV & Spy planes. The issue with UAV & spy planes is that there is an Air identification zone at LOC & these assets have to fly at a distance from LOC so to get surveillance of the LOC these assets have to fly high which again brings the issues of clouds & if these assets fly low the sensor angle is blocked by thick vegetation thus leaving Quad copter on a suicide mission as only surveillance option for India.

Here is the today's weather image of the area & still the clouds over it is very dense thus restricting capability of satellites.
View attachment 656569

Even the weather of this beautiful valley of Kashmir is fighting for independence from India.

View attachment 656570

This give very little help to Indians. But, it does help to see live fire position before shutdown through live feed. But, I think Pakistan also doing this.
I am sure Pakistan army use Chinese frequency provided by Yaogan radar satellite. The most recent one launch in 2019 and very precise is Gaofen-12.

Yaogan Radar Satellite
Synthetic aperture radar (SAR) imagery is a cost-effective technology. A radar satellite is capable of detecting objects on the ground even at night and through cloud cover. Yaogan 1, launched in April 2006, was China’s first SAR-equipped satellite. Since that time, a number of additional SAR satellites in the Yaogan series have been launched. The satellites’ radar reportedly operates in the L-band (1–2 GHz) and has resolution as low as 5 m. Yaogan 1 apparently broke up in February 2010, but Yaogan 3, 6, and 10 remained operational (“Yaogan Series,” 2010; “UCS Satellite Database”).

Some sources report Yaogan 6 as electro-optical, not radar, but this is probably in error. JB-7 has been used by some sources for the second generation radar satellite type.

Two generations of these spacecraft were all launched from Taiyuan into sun-synchronous orbits.

• Jianbing-5 - The first generation spacecraft [Yaogan-1, -3, -10] were launched into orbits with an inclination of about 97.8°, a period of about 97 minutes, and an altitude of about 610 by 620 kilometers. All three had nearly identical launch times of about 22:48 GMT. Although the RAAN (right ascension of ascending node) of Yaogan-1 is offset by almost exactly 120° from that of Yaogan-10, the later is probably a replacement for the former, suggesting that the nominal Jianbing-8 constellation is two spacecraft.
• Jianbing-8 - The second generation spacecraft [Yaogan-6, -13, -18] were launched into orbits with an inclination of about 97.5°, a period of about 94.5 minutes, and an altitude of about 480 by 510 kilometers. The orbit altitude and Descending Node time for Yaogan-18 are similar to the initial values for Yaogan 6 (2009-021A/34839) suggesting the new satellite may be supplementary to it, or a replacement for it. The roughly five year interval between the launch of Yaogan-6 and Yaogan-18 suggests that it is probably a replacement, and that the nominal Jianbing-8 constellation is two spacecraft.
  
  

Yaogan-18 was described by the Chinese as being "...used to conduct scientific experiments, carry out land surveys, monitor crop yields and aid in preventing and reducing natural disasters". The orbit altitude and Descending Node time are similar to the initial values for Yaogan 6 (2009-021A/34839) suggesting the new satellite may be a replacement for it, or supplementary to it.

Some Western sources claimed in the 1990s that China might be seeking European and Russian technology to facilitate construction of high-resolution radar satellites for all-weather targeting applications, particularly the location of naval forces in the Taiwan Straits. The source of this speculation remained unclear, and there were initially no concrete indicators of such Chinese programs. The high absentee ratio of space-based systems would provide a poor match with Chinese regional force projection capabilities.

China had also taken an interest in the potential civil applications of such a system in the aftermath of the flooding, landslides, and typhoon damage in 1994. While China has used optical and infrared imaging space-based civil remote-sensing systems, there is particular interest in active microwave imagery that can penetrate southern China's constant cloud cover.

The PLA and other parts of the state apparatus viewed radar satellite imagery as critical in China's ability to achieve information dominance. Unlike electro-optical systems, radar satellites, according to GSD Second Department advocates, can see through clouds, rain, and fog in order to detect targets on the ground or underground, and in or under the ocean. In addition, SAR satellites are extremely useful in tracking moving targets, and can be useful in satisfying military mapping requirements. Chinese engineers have been examining SAR satellites as a means to track enemy submarines in shallow waters. China has already fielded a real-time airborne synthetic aperture radar (SAR) system, and is working toward deployment of an indigenous space based SAR satellite.

Preliminary R&D on a space-based SAR satellite was reportedly initiated in the late 1980s, and model R&D began in 1991. In May 1995, SSTC and COSTIND approved the finalized design and work on associated high speed data transmission. While the first generation SAR satellite is in the prototype development phase, preliminary research has probably already begun on the second generation SAR satellite system. Key institutes involved in the indigenous development of synthetic aperture radar satellites include CAS' Institute of Electronics, CAST's 501st and 504th Research Institutes (Xian Institute of Space Radio Technology), Shanghai Institute of Satellite Engineering, and MEI's 14th Research Institute and the Southwest Institute of Electronic Equipment (SWIEE).

 

[Qutb-ud-din Aybak]

Simple answer:
Drone quadcopter cost less than an artillery shell but can make artillery more deadly.
Pakistan must be using them too.

 

[I S I]

Cheap reconnaissance

 

[blain2]

these drones are doing their job well. pak has shot down 10 drones but the incursions they have made into pak air space could be more then 100. india is getting intelligence by entering into pak air space without annoying pak too much. pak should do the same as well.

Who says we are not flying our drones?

 

[litman]

Who says we are not flying our drones?

they havent shot any of ours so far i guess.

 

[Pakistan Space Agency]

1. How are these small drones detected? Radar or naked eye?
2. The drones can be chipped to paint a picture/map based on everywhere they travel and where they're taken to after being brought down.
3. The drones can be chipped with listening devices in order to capture communication after being shot down and taken away for disassembly.
4. Cheap device to keep the Pakistani military busy on useless gadget.