Why india has to ally with US

[JishanKKK]

because, alone they can't make TEJA-LCA

really if that was true then LCA should not standing in front of u................

alone we make this.....

if US helps then TEJAS shoud be a FGFA...........

 

[Chinese-Dragon]

right attitude is MAKING CHINA INDIAN SLUT////////LOL

That is the best use of logic I have ever heard of in the history of the human species.

 

[JayAtl]

That is the best use of logic I have ever heard of in the history of the human species.

you should read hong wu and your fellow chinese sometime on this board.

 

[Bl[i]tZ]

Funny how bilial has deteriorated the thread to Pak China.

India US China Japan Vietnam equations will play out in Asia Pacific. Last I checked Pakistan was working to

1. liberate/occupy Kashmir (since 1947)
Result - three wars, loss of half of the nation, rise in militancy at home, an army with a nation and an unfriendly India, a deteriorating economy

2. and achieve strategic depth in Afghanistan since 2001.
Result - deterioration of relations with US, further rise in militancy at home, a failing economy

 

[Don Jaguar]

Its understandable if you say people voted PPP out of sympathy for Benazir.But please don't say people were hoodwinked into believing that Benazir will be PM,while Zardari took the seat.Benazir died during Election campaign,voting happened after that.

In pakistan we vote for different political parties and than after voting the MPA's and MNA's of these political parties decide who will be president and who will be prime minister.

 

[Bang Galore]

There is a tussle within India between the pragmatists who want to steer a peaceful path to India's rise, and the jingoists who want validation and affirmation of India's power through global adventures.

The US is courting the latter and counting on them doing its bidding, albeit unwittingly.

Neither pragmatism nor jingoism is necessarily inconsistent with allying with the U.S.; the reasoning applied for doing so will be the only difference.

 

[Bl[i]tZ]

All the way across Pacific Ocean is US west coast, these are the players ONLY.

 

[JayAtl]

Anyone (Americans, Indians, others) can say whatever they want, the work China has done in helping Pakistan develop its infrastructure (& economically as well) is noticed by every Pakistani all over the country. The Chinese development work is visible all over Pakistan, & it impacts people in a positive way. Which is why Pakistanis appreciate China. China cannot replace the US, Pakistanis don't want China to replace the US (& dictate terms to Pakistan, by using economic assistance as blackmail). Pakistan realizes that it has to learn to be self-sufficient, & its working its way to just do that.

is thats what you think....here is your equal partner

Dumping ground

Pol Eco, NOS, The News International

China has exported goods worth around $ 11 billion whereas Pakistan’s exports could hardly reach $ 0.25 billion.

Another misbalance in this respect is that Pakistan imports about 1,000 items from China while the latter’s export-basket is limited to hardly 50 items.

Pakistan exports items like seafood, cotton yarn, leather, marble, fruits, sports goods, rice, raw hides and vegetables. On the other hand, China exports almost every thing available under the sun to Pakistan and that also at very low prices. Mass availability of these goods at low rates has pushed local industry out of competition.

Industrialists say China dumps a lot of goods into Pakistan but no action is taken for various reasons.


The biggest of these is that Pakistan does not want to take even a symbolic step that harms friendly relations between the two, they add.

a report prepared by the Lahore Chamber of Commerce and Industry (LCCI) reveals that due to the dumping of China clay crockery from China, the pottery industry of Pakistan has disappeared from centers like Gujranwala and Gujrat.The report says out of a total of five units, four have closed their commercial operations. These are Prey China, Dada Bhoy, Pakpur, and Regal China while the last one -- Lone China -- is on the verge of collapse.

What say you BILAL?

 

[Bl[i]tZ]

is thats what you think....here is your equal partner

China has exported goods worth around $ 11 billion whereas Pakistan’s exports could hardly reach $ 0.25 billion.

If you're a Pakistani, you'll fall into the same category as Najam Sethi for writing this.

 

[blood]

Sixty years of US aid to Pakistan: Get the data
As the US announces it is to withhold military aid to Pakistan, find out how much money America has given to the country since 1948

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A Pakistan soldier mans a machine gun in the north-western Bajur region in Pakistan. Photograph: Anwarullah Khan/AP
The Obama administration has announced it will withhold more than one-third of all military assistance to Pakistan - an aid envelope worth some $800m (£498m). The withheld aid includes funding for military equipment and reimbursements for selected Pakistani security expenditures - including a payment of $300m for counterinsurgency programmes.

US aid to Pakistan has a long political history and this is not the first time money has been withheld. Here we've pulled out all the figures for both US military aid and economic assistance (including development assistance) to Pakistan between 1948 and 2010.

The dataset comes from Wren Elhai, at the Washington-based Center for Global Development (CGD), who in May published a report along with Nancy Birdsall and Molly Kinder analysing the long-term impact of US aid to Pakistan. The numbers - which come from the US Overseas Grants and Loans database and the Congressional Research Service - have been adjusted for inflation and are presented in terms of the value of the US$ in 2009.


US aid to Pakistan, 1948-2010
Some highlights:

• US economic assistance to Pakistan peaked in 1962, at over $2.3bn

• in 2010, military assistance to Pakistan totalled $2.5bn - including $1.2bn in coalition support funds

• US assistance to Pakistan reached its lowest level in the 1990s, after President George H.W. Bush suspended aid flows over Pakistan's emerging nuclear programme

• US military assistance dropped dramatically during and immediately after the Indo-Pakistani wars of 1965 and 1971

• in the 1970s, President Carter suspended all aid to Pakistan (except food aid) in response to Pakistan's decision to construct a uranium enrichment facility

• although US assistance (both economic and military) to Pakistan has fluctuated considerably over the last 60 years, it has risen steadily since 2001

Pakistan has historically been among the top recipients of US aid - since 1948, the US has sent more than £30bn in direct aid to the country. Nearly half of this has been for military assistance. However, since Osama bin Laden was discovered and killed in Abbottabad earlier this year, US president Barack Obama has come under increasing pressure to justify US aid spending in the country.

Although military assistance is currently the only form of US aid to Pakistan to be withheld, Congress has considered other - as yet unsuccessful - bills to also block US economic assistance, and civilian aid to Pakistan will no doubt be up for debate again next year, as the 2012 budget battles get underway.

What can you do with the data?

Data summary

Summary of US aid to Pakistan 1948-2010
Click heading to sort table. Download this data
Year
Economic Assistance, Total
Economic Assistance (through USAID)
Military Assistance, Total
Coalition Support Funds
Note: All figures are in US$ (millions). Figures are adjusted for inflation and presented in 2009 constant dollars
Source: Wren Elhai, Center for Global Development, 2011
1948 0.77 0 0
1949 0 0 0
1950 0 0 0
1951 2.89 0 0
1952 74.25 73.55 0
1953 748.29 286.23 0
1954 156.95 152.24 0
1955 733.15 477.18 266
1956 1065.67 700.89 1086.5
1957 1079.65 619.9 437.59
1958 968.22 589.59 533.13
1959 1367.93 985.25 366.81
1960 1689.84 1181.35 230.39
1961 989.53 780.04 260.47
1962 2334.65 1446.28 549.02
1963 2066.77 1063.68 292.31
1964 2222.66 1334.16 187.55
1965 1928.9 1041.58 77.38
1966 816.28 691.28 8.4
1967 1213.36 719.38 26.33
1968 1501.68 672.5 25.98
1969 541.76 504.31 0.5
1970 968.32 570.93 0.87
1971 474.25 31.21 0.73
1972 692.87 261.87 0.42
1973 715.35 387.63 1.24
1974 381.97 219.13 0.95
1975 614.34 326.02 0.92
1976 644.1 336.78 1.28
1977 319.16 209.4 0.92
1978 214.92 55.49 1.52
1979 128.81 23.31 1.2
1980 137.53 0 0
1981 164.16 0 0
1982 400.6 200.07 1.2
1983 534.18 383.29 499.77
1984 568.05 415.84 555.9
1985 607.26 447.53 583.53
1986 623.56 460.91 545.82
1987 599.07 469.53 534.54
1988 769.14 635 430.69
1989 559.72 421.27 367.06
1990 548.07 422.37 283.44
1991 149.59 141.78 0
1992 27.14 0.57 7.2
1993 74.19 7.98 0
1994 68.43 0 0
1995 23.13 10.1 0
1996 22.79 0 0
1997 57.17 0 0
1998 36.32 0 0
1999 102.14 6.72 0.22
2000 45.72 0 0
2001 228.02 0.54 0
2002 937.34 744.74 1739.7 1386.06
2003 377.93 284.81 1760.23 1450.98
2004 406.12 316.56 891.39 794.11
2005 490.42 374.04 1397.06 1050.15
2006 689.43 488.46 1246.1 916.13
2007 688.62 498.91 1079.72 755.74
2008 614.48 392.05 1378.32 1014.9
2009 1353.65 1076.25 1114.26 685
2010 1867.13




have a look at this stats and you guys will get to know who is the real slave

 

[JayAtl]

If you're a Pakistani, you'll fall into the same category as Najam Sethi for writing this.

Down with amerika ! oops... on a serious note: waiting for his reply after he reads it. won't hold my breath...

 

[53fd]

If you're a Pakistani, you'll fall into the same category as Najam Sethi for writing this.

is thats what you think....here is your equal partner

Wrong figures. These are the correct figures for the exports-imports situation of China-Pakistan:

According to the figures released by China Customs, the total Pakistani exports to China last year were US $ 1.7 billion compared to US $ 1.2 billion in 2009.

Since 2006, Pakistani exports to China has been gradually climbing. The total volume of Pakistan-China trade rose by US $ 2 billion to US $ 8.7 billion approximately.

Last year, textiles, ores and mineral products, leather, chemicals and plastics, sports goods, iron and steel, surgical instruments showed the trend of faster growth rates.

In 2010, Pakistan’s imports from China also increased by US $ 1.4 billion and the total volume of imports from China stood at US $ 6.9 billion. The trade deficit right now for Pakistan is US $ 5.2 billion.

“Exports to China increased by 37%” | Business | DAWN.COM

 

[JayAtl]

Wrong figures. These are the correct figures for the exports-imports situation of China-Pakistan:



“Exports to China increased by 37%” | Business | DAWN.COM

ahh congrats-it was an slightly older article...

what about the rest?
what about destroying your industries?
what about dumping cheap products ?
what about not allowing pak to export as much as they re allowed to import?
what about your govt too afraid to complain?
what happened to 30 billion trade claim?

I thought they were just great partners as you procalimed.

 

[53fd]

Sixty years of US aid to Pakistan: Get the data
As the US announces it is to withhold military aid to Pakistan, find out how much money America has given to the country since 1948

• Get the data


reddit this
Comments (15)

A Pakistan soldier mans a machine gun in the north-western Bajur region in Pakistan. Photograph: Anwarullah Khan/AP
The Obama administration has announced it will withhold more than one-third of all military assistance to Pakistan - an aid envelope worth some $800m (£498m). The withheld aid includes funding for military equipment and reimbursements for selected Pakistani security expenditures - including a payment of $300m for counterinsurgency programmes.

US aid to Pakistan has a long political history and this is not the first time money has been withheld. Here we've pulled out all the figures for both US military aid and economic assistance (including development assistance) to Pakistan between 1948 and 2010.

The dataset comes from Wren Elhai, at the Washington-based Center for Global Development (CGD), who in May published a report along with Nancy Birdsall and Molly Kinder analysing the long-term impact of US aid to Pakistan. The numbers - which come from the US Overseas Grants and Loans database and the Congressional Research Service - have been adjusted for inflation and are presented in terms of the value of the US$ in 2009.


US aid to Pakistan, 1948-2010
Some highlights:

• US economic assistance to Pakistan peaked in 1962, at over $2.3bn

• in 2010, military assistance to Pakistan totalled $2.5bn - including $1.2bn in coalition support funds

• US assistance to Pakistan reached its lowest level in the 1990s, after President George H.W. Bush suspended aid flows over Pakistan's emerging nuclear programme

• US military assistance dropped dramatically during and immediately after the Indo-Pakistani wars of 1965 and 1971

• in the 1970s, President Carter suspended all aid to Pakistan (except food aid) in response to Pakistan's decision to construct a uranium enrichment facility

• although US assistance (both economic and military) to Pakistan has fluctuated considerably over the last 60 years, it has risen steadily since 2001

Pakistan has historically been among the top recipients of US aid - since 1948, the US has sent more than £30bn in direct aid to the country. Nearly half of this has been for military assistance. However, since Osama bin Laden was discovered and killed in Abbottabad earlier this year, US president Barack Obama has come under increasing pressure to justify US aid spending in the country.

Although military assistance is currently the only form of US aid to Pakistan to be withheld, Congress has considered other - as yet unsuccessful - bills to also block US economic assistance, and civilian aid to Pakistan will no doubt be up for debate again next year, as the 2012 budget battles get underway.

What can you do with the data?

Data summary

Summary of US aid to Pakistan 1948-2010
Click heading to sort table. Download this data
Year
Economic Assistance, Total
Economic Assistance (through USAID)
Military Assistance, Total
Coalition Support Funds
Note: All figures are in US$ (millions). Figures are adjusted for inflation and presented in 2009 constant dollars
Source: Wren Elhai, Center for Global Development, 2011
1948 0.77 0 0
1949 0 0 0
1950 0 0 0
1951 2.89 0 0
1952 74.25 73.55 0
1953 748.29 286.23 0
1954 156.95 152.24 0
1955 733.15 477.18 266
1956 1065.67 700.89 1086.5
1957 1079.65 619.9 437.59
1958 968.22 589.59 533.13
1959 1367.93 985.25 366.81
1960 1689.84 1181.35 230.39
1961 989.53 780.04 260.47
1962 2334.65 1446.28 549.02
1963 2066.77 1063.68 292.31
1964 2222.66 1334.16 187.55
1965 1928.9 1041.58 77.38
1966 816.28 691.28 8.4
1967 1213.36 719.38 26.33
1968 1501.68 672.5 25.98
1969 541.76 504.31 0.5
1970 968.32 570.93 0.87
1971 474.25 31.21 0.73
1972 692.87 261.87 0.42
1973 715.35 387.63 1.24
1974 381.97 219.13 0.95
1975 614.34 326.02 0.92
1976 644.1 336.78 1.28
1977 319.16 209.4 0.92
1978 214.92 55.49 1.52
1979 128.81 23.31 1.2
1980 137.53 0 0
1981 164.16 0 0
1982 400.6 200.07 1.2
1983 534.18 383.29 499.77
1984 568.05 415.84 555.9
1985 607.26 447.53 583.53
1986 623.56 460.91 545.82
1987 599.07 469.53 534.54
1988 769.14 635 430.69
1989 559.72 421.27 367.06
1990 548.07 422.37 283.44
1991 149.59 141.78 0
1992 27.14 0.57 7.2
1993 74.19 7.98 0
1994 68.43 0 0
1995 23.13 10.1 0
1996 22.79 0 0
1997 57.17 0 0
1998 36.32 0 0
1999 102.14 6.72 0.22
2000 45.72 0 0
2001 228.02 0.54 0
2002 937.34 744.74 1739.7 1386.06
2003 377.93 284.81 1760.23 1450.98
2004 406.12 316.56 891.39 794.11
2005 490.42 374.04 1397.06 1050.15
2006 689.43 488.46 1246.1 916.13
2007 688.62 498.91 1079.72 755.74
2008 614.48 392.05 1378.32 1014.9
2009 1353.65 1076.25 1114.26 685
2010 1867.13




have a look at this stats and you guys will get to know who is the real slave

From 1947-2001, Pakistan has received about $30 billion civilian aid, & $8 billion military aid. Since 2001-2011, Pakistan has received $21 billion (including both civilian & military aid). Most of the $21 billion hasn't been received by Pakistan either, & some of it was payments by the US to Pakistan for providing it various services. So let us include $21 billion for argument's sake. So, the grand total becomes $59 billion. Pakistan has incurred over $70 billion losses from the WOT alone.

 

[53fd]

ahh congrats-it was an slightly older article...

what about the rest?
what about destroying your industries?
what about dumping cheap products ?
what about not allowing pak to export as much as they re allowed to import?
what about your govt too afraid to complain?
what happened to 30 billion trade claim?

I thought they were just great partners as you procalimed.

China has done development work all over Pakistan, & continues to do so till this day. When one goes to Pakistan, they can easily see everything has done in developing Pakistan all over. Pakistanis recognize this effort from China. Don't need to prove anything to you guys.

The article you posted was rubbish, everything in it was rubbish, & I gave you the correct figures from a reliable source. There isn't much to add there.