Why india has to ally with US

[53fd]

Just as China is doing to Pakistan ?

But China & Pakistan belong to the same region as India, with their genuine geopolitical strategic interests. The US has on the other hand, is not a reliable ally. It will only look after itself. The US will try to build up an internal stake in India (through different military arms sales, as well as other "measures"), & will stick like a leech to it. As of now, India is not perceived to be a "threat" to the US, but China is. The US will only support India in those things in which China loses out. The things India gains in, but China does not lose, it will not support. When India becomes a "threat" to the US, it will not blink bringing India down to its knees. So in the end, India will lose in such an "alliance".

 

[JayAtl]

Hahaha so when I agree with you, it is suddenly "critical thinking"?

The bottom line, is that India is in a very bad position vis-a-vis the Sino-Pakistani alliance, and they have admitted as much. The Indian Armed forces have constantly been talking about a "two-front war", that is frankly unwinnable by India without outside help.

So from an Indian viewpoint, it does make a LOT of sense to have a formal alliance with the USA. Since currently, there is no country willing to fight the Sino-Pakistani alliance directly on their behalf.

They would have to give up their dreams of an "independent foreign policy", but perhaps that was never India's destiny in the first place.

I guess I spoke too soon. you are not getting it - pak does not come into the equation. Pak is not an issue in the larger picture. India/ China borders also don't come into- its your regional goals, bullying / ownage of economic zones all to yourself .

and for god's sake you know well that China aint going into any war over pakistan. Why would it risk its ecnomic advances. does it not make sense to let the two fight it out while you look stable in the world market? you say those things and these chaps in Pak all get excited. that's mean china never has and never will start a 2 front war over pakistan. Infact aren't you the one who used to profess how peaceful china is and non interfering too? lol

 

[RazPaK]

Umm,did Pakistan think about the consequences on South Asia when they first invited the United States into the region? I think not.Suddenly sprouting a conscience when global isolation is imminent could be termed as some as hypocrisy.

Pakistan was threatened. Read!!!!

Every country is selfish and just by saying that is a problem makes me pity your reasoning.
A prosperous Asia is good but what is Pakistan's contribution to this selfless cause ?

It would be in the interests of everyone in the region? Why do European countries never attack each other?

 

[ramu]

The bottom line, is that India is in a very bad position vis-a-vis the Sino-Pakistani alliance, and they have admitted as much. The Indian Armed forces have constantly been talking about a "two-front war", that is frankly unwinnable by India without outside help.

So from an Indian viewpoint, it does make a LOT of sense to have a formal alliance with the USA. Since currently, there is no country willing to fight the Sino-Pakistani alliance directly on their behalf.

They would have to give up their dreams of an "independent foreign policy", but perhaps that was never India's destiny in the first place.

If only you knew what relations we have with Russia. Nothing official about it.

 

[RazPaK]

Asia is being threatened and India wants to jump into US boat. Tsk tsk. Fighting dogs, is all we will ever be.

 

[ramu]

But China & Pakistan belong to the same region as India, with their genuine geopolitical strategic interests. The US has on the other hand, is not a reliable ally. It will only look after itself. The US will try to build up an internal stake in India (through different military arms sales, as well as other "measures"), & will stick like a leech to it. As of now, India is not perceived to be a "threat" to the US, but China is. The US will only support India in those things in which China loses out. The things India gains, but China does not lose, it will not support. When India becomes a "threat" to the US, it will not blink bringing India down to its knees. So in the end, India will lose in such an "alliance".

That somehow makes it right. With India we make the rules of engagement. sorry to disappoint you.

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Asia is being threatened and India wants to jump into US boat. Tsk tsk. Fighting dogs, is all we will ever be.

I repeat : A prosperous Asia is good but what is Pakistan's contribution to this selfless cause ?

 

[53fd]

That somehow makes it right. With India we make the rules of engagement. sorry to disappoint you.

I don't know if you make the rules of engagement with the US. I guess we'll find out soon enough. There have been many times where the US has openly taken against India as well, even though they are 'allies'. I don't see the same thing happening between China & Pakistan. Because quite frankly, despite all the ambitions China has to 'grow' as a nation, it does not have imperialistic ones.

 

[RazPaK]

Pakistan's contribution will be bringing peace to the giants. We will all benefit and have our resources intact.

 

[Chinese-Dragon]

But China & Pakistan belong to the same region as India, with their genuine geopolitical strategic interests. The US has on the other hand, is not a reliable ally. It will only look after itself. The US will try to build up an internal stake in India (through different military arms sales, as well as other "measures"), & will stick like a leech to it. As of now, India is not perceived to be a "threat" to the US, but China is. The US will only support India in those things in which China loses out. The things India gains, but China does not lose, it will not support. When India becomes a "threat" to the US, it will not blink bringing India down to its knees. So in the end, India will lose in such an "alliance".

We've all had our experiences of being allied to the USA.

China and the USA joined together in 1971 during the Cold War, in order to oppose the Soviet Union. Once the Soviet Union self-imploded, it no longer became necessary.

The Pakistan and the USA joined together for a similar reason, though they are still together today, due to the WoT.

Now it is India's turn. They will have to give up their "independent foreign policy", and possibly their friendship with Russia, but it seems to be the need of the day for India.

India's immediate security is more important than the fabled "independent foreign policy", which India was probably not strong enough to carry by itself anyway. It would make the most sense for them to join the US camp.

 

[cyphercide]

Pakistan was threatened. Read!!!!

So to coalesce your sentiments,The historic ties vis-a-vie US-Pakistan have to be mandatorily perceived as under the "threat" umbrella while the Indo-US ties have to seen as selfish furthering of western agenda.Brilliant!!!!

 

[ramu]

I don't know if you make the rules of engagement with the US. I guess we'll find out soon enough. There have been many times where the US has openly taken against India as well, even though they are 'allies'. I don't see the same thing happening between China & Pakistan. Because quite frankly, despite all the ambitions China has to 'grow' as a nation, it does not have imperialistic ones.

Don't you worry. We are not Pakistan. Imran Khan once said, India is a strategic partner to the US and we are a hired gun. We have not given a military base to US have we ? What happened to Pakistan today after decades of US partnership? India keeps US where it belongs. We dont invite them to have military bases right ? So much for prosperous asia.

 

[RazPaK]

So to coalesce your sentiments,The historic ties vis-a-vie US-Pakistan have to be mandatory perceived as under the "threat" umbrella while the Indo-US ties have to seen as selfish furthering of western agenda.Brilliant!!!!

That was then, this is now.

You have to think about the circumstances at hand.


Also take a look at Chinese-Dragon's post above, as it was very relevant to the discussion at hand.

 

[ramu]

That was then, this is now.

You have to think about the circumstances at hand.


Also take a look at Chinese-Dragon's post above, as it was very relevant to the discussion at hand.

So with what moral standing do you advice India when you have bitterly failed ? Let us worry about our circumstances, you can enjoy a good time with China for all the time it lasts.

 

[INDTAM]

Asia is being threatened and India wants to jump into US boat. Tsk tsk. Fighting dogs, is all we will ever be.

says you whose country can't feed the flood ravaged people without aid from big bad USA!!!

 

[JayAtl]

We've all had our experiences of being allied to the USA.

China and the USA joined together in 1971 during the Cold War, in order to oppose the Soviet Union. Once the Soviet Union self-imploded, it no longer became necessary.

The Pakistan and the USA joined together for a similar reason, though they are still together today, due to the WoT.

Now it is India's turn. They will have to give up their "independent foreign policy", and possibly their friendship with Russia, but it seems to be the need of the day for India.

India's immediate security is more important than the fabled "independent foreign policy", which India was probably not strong enough to carry by itself anyway. It would make the most sense for them to join the US camp.

yeah but the difference is US is allying on equal footing or better footing w/ india than it did with Pak and China. India is going to be regional power and an ally that it does not have to prop up economically. china forced US hands by going antonistic towards it. Roles could have been easily reveresed with China being US 's continued ally---you bully nations in south china sea and aspire to " own" this zone. and you do it by antoginizing India too... you made your bed ...

india can handle you on its borders but globally yes you are the stronger adversary with dangerous aspirations for the rest. But even so - time will come that handling you on the borders will be a very expensive task ( USSR route).