Why don't more Muslims speak out against the wanton destruction of Mecca's

[vsdoc]

Myth: Muslim Ummah
Reality: There is no such thing as Muslim Ummah or United Muslim Nation but this facade has repeatedly been used in history to make fool of innocent people and turn them into political pawns!

The Myth of Islamic Ummah
WRITTEN BY AFTAB ZAIDI AUGUST 19, 2011 4:06 AM 6 COMMENTS
Historically speaking there has never been an alliance of Muslims. The concept of Muslim Ummah or “Community of Muslim Nations” has always been a popular notion among the larger Muslim population. Today Al Qaeda’s aspiration for world domination is also based on the same approach. However, unity among Muslims has been an elusive goal due to their internal feuds, treacheries and infighting.

Shias and Sunnis can never join forces because of their vast ideological differences. Shias idealize Ali (Muhammad’s son in law & the fourth caliph) claiming that it was his right to succeed after the death of Muhammad. On the contrary all four caliphs are held in very high esteem by the Sunnis.

The other and very significant bone of contention between Shias and Sunnis relates to “The Battle of the Camel”. This clash took place in Basra, Iraq in 656, between forces allied to Ali (Muhammad’s son in law & the fourth caliph) and Aisha (widow of Muhammad). Aisha wanted to take revenge from the assailants implicated in the assassination of the third caliph, Usman. Ten thousand men lost their lives on both sides. Two very close companions of the Prophet, Talha and Zubair who had accompanied Aisha, were also slain. Aisha remained unharmed till the end of the battle. However the seeds of discord were sown which exist till today. Shias and Sunnis even today are at each other’s throats due to this insignificant event of 7th century.

Currently there is deep hostility, suspicion and animosity between Saudi Arabia- the citadel of Islam, and Iran, a country with the huge Shia population. Both countries have been in competition for promoting their brand of Islam since the 1979 Iranian Revolution. Pakistan has been at the receiving end of these games. The Salafi regime of Saudi Arabia sponsored hundreds of Madrassas (religious schools) in Pakistan which churned out religious zombies. These fanatics currently are not only fighting the Americans in Afghanistan but are also involved in hundreds of terrorist incidents within Pakistan. Similarly, Shia Iran supported the Shiite organizations in Pakistan both financially and logistically. This unhindered backing gave birth to a sectarian monster, resulting in numerous killings on both the sides.

Saudi Arabia at the moment, just like Israel, is very concerned about the Iranian nuclear program. A nuclear Iran can not only affect the hegemony of Saudi Arabia in the Muslim world but also create trouble for it in the foreseeable future. According to credible press reports, recently the Saudi authorities have approved the use of a corridor of its airspace to Israeli fighter jets for an aerial attack on Iranian nuclear facilities. This has been denied by the Saudi regime. However this is not mere conjecture and the Saudis are very likely to be silent spectators in case of an Israeli bombardment of Iranian nuclear installations.

Two million Muslims were killed by Muslims in the Iran-Iraq War. Three million Sudanese Muslims have been killed by Muslims. More than 300,000 Muslims have been killed by Muslims in the ongoing Darfur conflict. Iraq invaded Kuwait and Syria invaded Lebanon. As of June 7, a total of 29,105 Pakistani Muslims have been killed by Muslims over the past seven years (as of June 2010).

Muslims are a divided lot. The need of the hour for them is to learn from Israel. This small country is surrounded by enemies. Despite very strong opposition, it has been able to withstand the onslaught of its Arab neighbors. It has decisively crushed its numerically superior foes during all the Arab-Israel wars. The birth of Israel right after the holocaust was no less than a miracle. Jews were systematically and institutionally prosecuted and murdered during the Second World War. It was their resilience, harmony, magnanimity and far sightedness that kept them together and eventually resulted in formation of the world’s first Jewish state.

The creation of this tiny country itself carries a very strong message for the Muslim population. It is essential for Muslim countries to reform, restructure, mould and base their societies on the universal principles of human rights, ethics and morality. The medieval scriptures of Islam have become redundant in this day and age. There can be no progress and reformation in their cultures until they let go off their obsession with religion.

I always thought the issues were deeper and more spiritual or divine or some such thing.

This sounds like a political grudge of succession lasting 1400 years.

Why should this affect Muslims around the world except Arabs?

None of the protagonists in this seem to have been non-Arab.

 

[vsdoc]

Bhai Raptor it goes both ways just look at shiachat or sunniforums i was horrified when i say that one member pointed out the name of Imam Hassan/Hussein on the pillars in Jannat ul Baqi and said "huh if this is true they (Saudis) must be muslims" no matter who attacks sunni or shia in Pakistan one wonders why Pakistan would support Iran if ever war was imposed on it(remember the article). The truth is while you or the Arabs may look to you legacy (as claimed by some Indians) something we don't have hence the concept of Ummah is very strong here and the rest is upto Allah either He will rally us to victory or decimate us like an abomination.

Respect.

An honest Pakistani.

 

[Shahin Vatani]

Well, it's a bit too late to speak out. Since 95% of it has been destroyed anyway. Oh well...

 

[kumarkumar1867]

I always thought the issues were deeper and more spiritual or divine or some such thing.

This sounds like a political grudge of succession lasting 1400 years.

Why should this affect Muslims around the world except Arabs?

None of the protagonists in this seem to have been non-Arab.

Nothing than a Imaginary Race for proving Yourself PURE & more MUSLIM than others.
Muslims have forgot the real essence of Islam, the brotherhood concept & are mere acting like a emotionless living being following things narrated to them without understanding the beauty & meaning of the same.

I will share here a Excellent Post By Truthseer in some other thread .....

more recently our muslims are not giving any importance to anything thats not related to Islam. Culture, social life, art have no importance left at all. Looks like we need robotic praying human with no need to think. I dont know when this generation become more muslim than all past generation including the prophet and his companions, but their religion becomes so week that mere sight of a budhist monument threaten their beliefs. why we suddenly become the protector of namoos-e-risalat when every one around us claims to be the best of muslims then who do they think is going to disgrace the name of our beloved prophet. We are insisting on hanging a 14 year old child for she dropped her book which had prophet's name in it but we are going to sell old new papers which has Quranic scribes on it so we dont loose 10 Rs. We should be happy we are not the generation when God used to unleash his wrath for their bad deeds, by God we need it most than any previous generations.

 

[Rig Vedic]

Would it be correct to say that the only things that is sacred in Islam are the Quran and the Sunnah, and that there can be no sanctity associated with anything else, including the Kaaba. Otherwise it would be considered as Shirk.

 

[Jango]

. Makkah is our personal property.

Makkah may be your personal property, but Masjid-e-Haram is not.

 

[Jango]

Would it be correct to say that the only things that is sacred in Islam are the Quran and the Sunnah, and that there can be no sanctity associated with anything else, including the Kaaba. Otherwise it would be considered as Shirk.

Uh do you know what is Shirk???

There have been quite a few cases in the past few days of you people opening your mouth regarding things you don't know. Some hot shot did it in a thread in members club, and now this.

Anyway, here is the reality.

Shirk is worshiping of some other person, or God or anything, other than Allah. Making something than other than Allah a 'Sharik' in worship. So, shirk would be worshiping Kaabah, but as we all know, this ain't the case. Nobody worships the Kaabah, nobody attributes Allah's qualities with Kaabah, nobody believes the Kaabah to be the creator of this life.

 

[Rig Vedic]

So, shirk would be worshiping Kaabah, but as we all know, this ain't the case. Nobody worships the Kaabah, nobody attributes Allah's qualities with Kaabah, nobody believes the Kaabah to be the creator of this life.

Earlier in this thread somebody was mentioning a proposal to bulldoze the grave of the Prophet. Would it be fair to say that the Kaabah, or say the grave of the Prophet, cannot be given any sacred status.

More generally, is there a concept of sacredness associated with anything other than Allah.

 

[valkyr_96]

I remember how my teacher 3rd grade told how she got to touch the Prophet's grave (before they covered it) to her it was a memorable experience but does it count as blessings....as far as i know the Muhammad(SAW) was very particular about not turning his resting place as a shrine more so i doubt someone would/could suggest bulldozing it since there are three grave one of Hazrat Umar and one will be the resting place for Harzat Isa/Jesus

 

[JonAsad]

First of all it's not Qum , It's Tehran in Azadi sport complex and these people are Hajis who are gonna make a pilgrimage in mecca it might be the first time for some of them so here they got taught how to perform rituals nothing else . don't be that much idiot.

i will buy this argument-

this is interesting.............

Among the signs of the Hour mentioned by the Noble Messenger of Allah - Allah bless and greet him and his Family and Companions - in Sahih al-Bukhari is "when the poor, naked, barefoot shepherds of sheep and goats competing in constructing tall buildings”

When the belly of Makkah will be cleft open and through it will be dug out river-like passages (i.e. tunnels) and the buildings of the Holy City of Makkah will rise higher than its mountains, when you observe these signs, then understand that the time of trial is near at hand.”

i totally believe this hadith-

One of the last signs of the Day of Resurrection is the destruction of the Ka'ba by Zul-Suwayqatayn. He is from Abyssinia (Ethiopia) and will destroy the Ka'ba in order to steal its treasure and Kiswah (Ka'ba's cover).

some one tell this Zul-Suwayqatayn there is no treasure inside Kabaa- there is just an empty room inside-

^^ this is inside of Kabaa-
Unless saudis are hiding their hard earned Oil money in Gold bars beneath the Kabaa- there is no such treasure-

Makkah is our personal property..

your King says he is the custodian of the two Holy Mosques- and not the owner-
dont know what made you think so-

A Khadim is never a Malik- Big difference-

 

[DRaisinHerald]

Its, not even a sect [Which most people believe], a matter of fact you can be a Sunni [With all subgroups] or a Shia [With all subgroups] and be a sufi at the same time. Sufism is an understanding of Islam through application of its tenants on one's real life while developing a personal contact with Allah [SWT] without having to rely on a Mullah [cutting the middle man]. The entire subcontinent was turned to Islam by sufis not by throat slitting Takferis, you won't find a single terrorist who understands Islam through Sufism. I, am not having an argument with you, just saying that do read on Sufism before you make such blanket statements.

Ok, you're making it seem like non-Sufis need a Mullah or something to be the middle man

Well, the way I see it is that many (aloot of) people who claim to follow Sufism go to Shrines and what not to 'ask for intercession' and whatevs else from deceased 'Saints' and 'Holy Men'.
However, if what you said is true then great.

 

[JonAsad]

Uh do you know what is Shirk???

There have been quite a few cases in the past few days people opening their mouth regarding things they don't know. Some hot shot did it in a thread in members club, and now this.

Anyway, here is the reality.

Shirk is worshiping of some other person, or God or anything, other than Allah. Making something than other than Allah a 'Sharik' in worship. So, shirk would be worshiping Kaabah, but as we all know, this ain't the case. Nobody worships the Kaabah, nobody attributes Allah's qualities with Kaabah, nobody believes the Kaabah to be the creator of this life.

Quoted for absolute truth-

I remember how my teacher 3rd grade told how she got to touch the Prophet's grave (before they covered it) to her it was a memorable experience but does it count as blessings....as far as i know the Muhammad(SAW) was very particular about not turning his resting place as a shrine more so i doubt someone would/could suggest bulldozing it since there are three grave one of Hazrat Umar and one will be the resting place for Harzat Isa/Jesus

correction-

One grave belongs to Hazarat Abu Bakr Siddique R.A- not Hazrat Isa/Jesus R.A-

 

[Don Jaguar]

Why don't more Muslims speak out against the wanton destruction of Mecca's holy sites?​

Saudi Arabia's Wahabists are tearing down buildings that have links to the Prophet and replacing them with skyscrapers and shopping malls

Muslims are often criticised for not speaking out more vocally on key issues that affect their community. Barely a week goes by without the media asking why community leaders aren’t more vocal in condemning button topics such as terrorism or violence against women.

It’s a difficult balance and often the criticisms are unfair. One the one hand ordinary Muslims cannot be expected to answer for everything that is done in their name. But at the same time silence and reticence from a majority simply allows the vocal minority to have disproportionate influence on how Islam is both practiced and perceived by the rest of the world.

One area that you might think would see Muslims speaking out with one voice is the wholesale archaeological and historical destruction of Islam’s birthplace. Over the past twenty years, fuelled by their petro-dollars and intolerant Wahabi backers, the Saudi authorities have embarked on cultural vandalism of breath-taking proportions.

Mecca and Medina, the two holiest cities in Islam, are being systematically bulldozed to make way for gleaming sky scrapers, luxury hotels and shopping malls. The Saudis insist that the expansion of these two cities is vital to make way for the growing numbers of pilgrims in a rapidly expanded and inter-connected world. And they’re right.

But does it really need to be done in a way where luxury apartments and $500-a-night rooms now overlook the Ka’aba in Mecca, the one place on earth that all Muslims are supposed to be equal?

Most appallingly dozens of early Islamic sites – including those with a direct link to the Prophet himself – have been wiped off the map. The situation is so bad that the Washington based Gulf Institute estimates that 95 percent of the millennium old buildings in the two cities have been destroyed in the past twenty years.

Much of this cultural vandalism is inspired by Wahabism – the austere interpretation of Islam that is the Saudi kingdom’s official religion. Wahabis are obsessed with idol worship and believe visiting graves, shrines or historical sites that are associated with the Prophet encourages shirq (the worship of false gods). The rampant commercialism meanwhile is inspired by something much simpler – greed.

With a few notable exceptions the destruction of Mecca and Medina has largely passed unchallenged

Muslim silence on this issue isn’t just cowardly, it’s deeply hypocritical. When an obscure group of foam-at-the-mouth Islamophobes got together in the United States to make an utterly pointless and deliberately provocative film about the Prophet Mohammad, or when a group of Danish cartoonists exercised their democratic right to lampoon a religious leader and the creeping self-censorship of the European press, protests broke out around the world.

At Friday prayers, imams and sheikhs wasted little time in giving rousing speeches about how Islam was being sullied and the Prophet insulted. The mobs came out, people died (mostly Muslims).

How many of those imams have bothered to get animated about what has happened in Mecca and Medina? How many are outraged that the house of Muhammad’s first wife Khadijah was pulled down and replaced with a block of public toilets, or that five of the seven mosques marking the Battle of the Trench outside Medina have been destroyed, or that religious police cheered when a mosque linked to the Prophet’s grandson was dynamited? It’s politically a lot more convenient to blame infidels for disrespecting your religion’s founder than it is to point the finger of blame at your own kind.

But it’s not just the Muslim world that has kept mum. When the Taliban – fuelled by same anti-idol zealotry that burns within Wahabis – blew up the Bamiyan Buddhas the world was incensed. Governments spoke out, academics were outraged and column inches filled up. With a few notable exceptions the destruction of Mecca and Medina has largely passed unchallenged.

Partly that’s down to the enormous influence Saudi Arabia wields. As the gate keeper to the cradle of Islam (since 1986 the Saudi monarchy has modestly awarded itself the title Custodian of the Two Holy Mosques), it controls who gets to go on the annual Hajj and Umrah pilgrimages. Muslim countries are terrified that any overly critical statements about what is happening in the Hejaz might lead to a reduction in pilgrim quotas.

Although the Muslim media has been pretty shamefully silent, credit should go to Al Jazeera who did manage to get in and film a documentary last year about the archaeological destruction of Mecca.

Equally, in the West, archaeologists and historians – who should be on the front lines of a no-cultural-destruction-of-Islam protest – keep quiet because they won’t be allowed in to the Kingdom again if they speak up, whilst governments prefer to keep the Saudis onside because of their enormous oil wealth and supposed commitment to the so-called war on terror.

Governments prefer to keep the Saudis onside because of their enormous oil wealth
Inside Saudi Arabia itself there is a mixture of opinions. The wealthy elite think little beyond the gleaming shopping malls and hotels that keep them supplied with fat profits and luxury goods.

But there is anger among many locals in Mecca and Medina who have looked on with horror at what has happened to their cities, especially among those who have been forcibly evicted from their homes to make way for this brave new world.

The difficulty, of course, is that in a highly autocratic country where women still don’t have the right to drive and opposition to the Saud monarchy is ruthlessly supressed, there are bigger fish to fry. Archaeology and history come second to basic personal freedoms.

But hope is not lost because people do care. When I first started investigating this subject a little over a year ago I wasn’t sure how Muslims would react. Last September we published a piece in which I described how Mecca was turning into a gaudy Las Vegas. Within hours it had gone viral. All across the Muslim world news sites, bloggers and readers were reposting the article. It stayed at the top of our most read list for weeks whilst on Facebook alone it has been reposted 37,000 times. And the response we got was overwhelmingly positive.

Muslims were horrified by what was happening and they wanted to know what they could do. A few months later I was asked to give a talk on my research by the City Circle, a group of mainly young, professional Muslims who meet on a weekly basis. The crowd was as mixed as any London Islamic audience – Salafis in their three quarter length trousers and long beards, hippy looking Sufis, women in headscarves and veils, women without headscarves and beardless men in their pin-striped city suits. I expected the more orthodox members to defend what was happening in Saudi Arabia, instead everyone seemed to be equally upset.

After the talk I remember one young Saudi woman in a black abaya coming up to me with tears in her eyes. “They are literally destroying the birthplace of Islam,” she said. “This is the place where the Prophet lived and prayed. We have to do something."

Only Muslims will be able to save what little is left of the early Islamic heritage within Mecca and Medina. But I hope for both their own benefit - and the wider world’s – that they are successful.


Why don't more Muslims speak out against the wanton destruction of Mecca's holy sites? - Comment - Voices - The Independent

Saudis destroyed Jannat ul baqi.

Don't you know this my brother?

 

[JonAsad]

Saudis destroyed Jannat ul baqi.

Don't you know this my brother?

Correction-

the shrines were demolished- the graves are still there-

^^ does this grave yard looks destroyed to you?- infact i call it a well maintained one-

btw i dont undrstand the fixation of some muslims with the Qabers-
They are the resting place of the dead- let them rest in peace-

 

[valkyr_96]

Quoted for absolute truth-



correction-

One grave belongs to Hazarat Abu Bakr Siddique R.A- not Hazrat Isa/Jesus R.A-

oops sorry...

thanks for the pic