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Why Do So Many Chinese Expect War?

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Tailand!! i said that except some individual countries people without kindness are willing to echo your sentiments. your tricks will not succeed. I have to say that viet are very crafty, on the basis of past experiences
your respond like your nickname - magic <<< I don't understand your point to repeat meanless things ... :cheesy:
 
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your respond like your nickname - magic <<< I don't understand your point to repeat meanless things ... :cheesy:
well, you win .you feigning ignorance of what i say ,then please continue driving a wedge between china and someone relationship ,i will not accompany with you chatting. bye bye
 
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我不认为有很多中国人想打仗,和平与发展是珍贵的,大多数中国人都知道这么一个道理,这是中国经济连续三十年高速发展的原因之一。
I don't think there are many people in China want to war, peace and development are the precious, most Chinese people know such a truth, that is one reason whyChina's rapid economic development for thirty consecutive years.
 
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我不认为有很多中国人想打仗,和平与发展是珍贵的,大多数中国人都知道这么一个道理,这是中国经济连续三十年高速发展的原因之一。
I don't think there are many people in China want to war, peace and development are the precious, most Chinese people know such a truth, that is one reason whyChina's rapid economic development for thirty consecutive years.
I don't know whether you are trolling or not. Even I know what J20 means.
BTW you must be new to PDF, as if you stick around long enough, you will see there are more than one Chinese mems who uses war and nuke to threat VNese mems whenever they argue.
Still I believe there are other Chinese who would prefer settling the matter in a peaceful manner. Hope you are one of those.
 
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Why Do So Many Chinese Expect War?
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Julian Snelder
October 9, 2014

A professor of classical music in Beijing startled me in 2010 when he said, “When I look at my students, I fear we are headed for war within five years.”

“War with whom?,” I enquired.

“With anyone.”

His students don't seem like fenqing (“angry youth”). They are in a musical conservatory, after all, not a military academy. Many have overseas connections. But they are also ambitious, emotional, fiercely nationalist and for them war – any war – would be a gratifying affirmation of their country's ascendance. Like the 2008 Olympic Games but with real explosions, not fireworks. These kids lap up PLA propaganda films like Silent Contest even as they dream of Juilliard. My professor friend worries they just haven't thought things through, that their various aspirations are totally misaligned.

A similar message comes from a recent essay in The Economist. “What does China want?” it asks, and it concludes China may not get all it seeks. Understandably, China wants wealth and power. It also wants respect. Yet respect is love as much as fear. The Economist wonders if the Chinese state, with its heavy hand at home and blaring “cold-war, Manichean imagery,” will achieve this aim.

What do the Chinese people themselves want? As patriots, they want wealth, power and respect for their country.

They also want out. Of those who can afford to, 64% wish to leave, an extraordinary figure. At the same time however, most Chinese are nationalistic, so perhaps Beijing merely reflects their mood. As Jessica Chen Weiss argues, nationalism is not new. The only thing that varies is the Government's “green light/red light” indulgence of nationalistic public protest. Most alarming is the high level of anticipation for war among the Chinese public. And thanks in part to an endless parade of World War II television dramas, the target is clear: Japan. In a recent survey, only one-quarter of Chinese do not foresee future military conflict with Japan.

The “strange revival of nationalism” is a paradox of our age. War worship should totally contradict materialist aspirations, yet the two often go together. Perhaps some new citizens want the goodies of Western life without the full package of liberal rights and responsibilities. In the words of philosopher John Gray they “don't much care about getting to Denmark,” the supposed nirvana of Francis Fukuyama's modernity. Or they might, but they don't become Danes when they do.

Historically, the morphing of prosperity into nationalism has been a powerful trend. The “strange revival” may be exactly that: an atavistic reversion to type. In 1841, a Prussian aristocrat proclaimed the great virtue of economic progress over warfare:

“Under a good and wise administration...are not (our) inhabitants better fed, clothed and schooled? Are not such results equal to a victorious campaign...with the great difference that they are not gained at the expense of other nations, nor the sacrifice of the enormous number of victims that a war demands?”

Azar Gat's magisterial War in Human Civilization identifies that aristocrat as Field Marshal Helmuth von Moltke, the German Chief of General Staff, who 50 years later would blame the “passion of the populace” for warmongering: “Today, war and peace (are) no longer cabinet questions...Public opinion (may) prove stronger than the will of those who rule.” By the 1890s, Bismark's restrained Prussian growth machine had become unified Germany, now under the bombastic Wilhelm, who would later “roll the iron dice” for the honor of his Reich. Germany's economic success led to an expanded sense of diplomatic entitlement.

On the other side of the world, the New York Times (30 July 1894) fretted:

“Japan is panting for a fight. She has, at great cost, reorganized her army and founded a fleet, and would...readily avail herself of any opportunity of proving their value and showing to an admiring world what she can do with them. Of all possible opponents, China would be the most preferred, for the Japanese regard (the) mainland with a most holy hatred, mixed with a great deal of contempt.”

Those same words are depressingly imaginable today, with the roles reversed. Xi Jinping commands the PLA to be battle-ready. The state media uses harsh words like “unswerving,” “unflinching,” and
“uncompromising.” A defense academic warns the nation to prepare for World War III. An active-duty PLA major general scoffs that Japan can be “taught a lesson” with a third of his forces. No wonder 64% of Chinese surveyed think “hardening our position” is the way to resolve territorial disputes.

How do we explain the apparent contradiction between China's hostile nationalism and its great globalization project? Wouldn't war itself be greatest of all threats to its ambition? And why are the very countries demonized most by China's nationalism also attracting Chinese talent and wealth? There are many possible explanations. Of course people emigrate for many reasons, practical and personal. Perhaps China will prevail either in peace or war, and is spreading its reach confidently. The affluent 64% who want to emigrate probably aren't the same hard 64% who want to man up against Japan. Perhaps outsiders just don't “get” China. Or maybe folks are simply hedging their bets. Maybe the odds of war really are rising, and Chinese are voting with their feet.

This piece was first posted on The Interpreter, which is published by the Lowy Institute for International Policy.

Image: Flickr/Creative Commons.
Because current generation Chinese are so brainwashed by government propoganda, that they believe China will not face any cost for waging a war against other countries...in short..they have no clue about "cost of war" that China will have to pay. ..according to them...China will attack and other country will take it lying down out of sheer respect to china....
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Because current genetion Chinese are so brainwashed by government propoganda, that they believe China will not face any cost for waging a war against other countries...in short..they have no clue about "cost of war" that China will have to pay. ..according to them...China will attack and other country will take it lying down out of sheer respect to china....
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It's true that younger Chinese take war too lightly. Most of them are city boys (no doubt) who are likely the last to be conscripted in case of a war (and there are many ways to dodge the conscription). Also the sheer side of the Chinese forces brings them confidence and ignorance about their power on the battlefield. War is not a simple game. When bullets start flying, people fall down on both sides.
 
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China has many problems with many others: South Korea, Japan, USA, Taiwan, Philippine, Brunei, Malaysia, Vietnam, Indonesia, ....

You should say China has problems with USA and his allies and his friends which are used.
In addition,frankly tell you that China is invaded many times by the west and we yearn for peace.
We sacrifice more and defend our nation and contribute a lot in WW2.
You could see a lot of USA shadows in many countries but China.
In addition,the war among neighbours is caused by the west and history.Why Taiwan and HK is like this?If China was not invaded,it should be like this?Consider those points.If Japan didn't invade China,the Diaoyu island should be like this?If India was not colonized by the west,the border dispute should be like this?We Asians are fighting but the west is sitting by to titter.Those kind of infightings just make Asia unstable and the west gets their benefit.
When you are jealous of western living standard and eduction,when you want to get rich and someday emigrate to the west,when you want to have a honourable country,please leave aside those disputes and cooperate together.
 
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It's true that younger Chinese take war too lightly. Most of them are city boys (no doubt) who are likely the last to be conscripted in case of a war (and there are many ways to dodge the conscription). Also the sheer side of the Chinese forces brings them confidence and ignorance about their power on the battlefield. War is not a simple game. When bullets start flying, people fall down on both sides.

For them, war is like a video game and that they believe that the world will do nothing once they start destroying weaker nations that has no strategic value specially for the Western nations specifically the USA. Also, when the PLA begins to massacre civilians, the CCP will dubbed the massacred civilians as "enemy insurgents" or aiding enemy combatants.
 
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Consider those points.If Japan didn't invade China,the Diaoyu island should be like this?If India was not colonized by the west,the border dispute should be like this?We Asians are fighting but the west is sitting by to titter.Those kind of infightings just make Asia unstable and the west gets their benefit.

Very well said, sir!
 
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You should say China has problems with USA and his allies and his friends which are used.
In addition,frankly tell you that China is invaded many times by the west and we yearn for peace.
We sacrifice more and defend our nation and contribute a lot in WW2.
You could see a lot of USA shadows in many countries but China.
In addition,the war among neighbours is caused by the west and history.Why Taiwan and HK is like this?If China was not invaded,it should be like this?Consider those points.If Japan didn't invade China,the Diaoyu island should be like this?If India was not colonized by the west,the border dispute should be like this?We Asians are fighting but the west is sitting by to titter.Those kind of infightings just make Asia unstable and the west gets their benefit.
When you are jealous of western living standard and eduction,when you want to get rich and someday emigrate to the west,when you want to have a honourable country,please leave aside those disputes and cooperate together.
your point is meanless with "should be like this" things.
What made China big like now !? Invasion. So It's natural when you got respond from other in past.

"US shadow" was sneak in Chinese life style nowaday very much, or you living in another world !? :cheesy:

You said your mind or Chinese mind, it's not me "jealous and want to emigrate to the west" ... LOL

It was PRC 's side don't want to cooperate, when they said "peace", but keep building up and create artificial Islands from reef and shoals, keep use CMS, CCG ships attack and harass Vietnamese fishing ship whenever they have chance.

well, you win .you feigning ignorance of what i say ,then please continue driving a wedge between china and someone relationship ,i will not accompany with you chatting. bye bye
Trick you what, kid !?
So China didn't have problems with other countries !?
And what the hell is Tailand of you !?
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The awful thing for the Chinese people is, if the fools in Beijing who are massively building up the armed forces and rattling sabres with their neighbours continue down this road and stumble into a regional war with Japan, or South Korea, the Philippines, Vietnam, America, or a combination of those countries, everything that China has worked so hard for, everything that has been achieved since the 1980's, will all be destroyed in one foolish act of aggression. NO COUNTRY will ever trust or trade with China after that. No one in the region. No one among the democratic community of nations. There will be an utter collapse of trade with the vast majority of China's trading partners. America will cut all possible ties and work hard to isolate China and that will not be difficult as her neighbours are already scared. No western nor most Asian companies will ever trust investing in China again.

The new China that rose from the nightmare of Mao Zedong, the China that Deng Xiaoping envisioned, will be thrown into the trash-bin of history and an aggressive, militarized China, poorer, more communist again, more oppressive, far more isolated in the world, will emerge.
 
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The awful thing for the Chinese people is, if the fools in Beijing who are massively building up the armed forces and rattling sabres with their neighbours continue down this road and stumble into a regional war with Japan, or South Korea, the Philippines, Vietnam, America, or a combination of those countries, everything that China has worked so hard for, everything that has been achieved since the 1980's, will all be destroyed in one foolish act of aggression. NO COUNTRY will ever trust or trade with China after that. No one in the region. No one among the democratic community of nations. There will be an utter collapse of trade with the vast majority of China's trading partners. America will cut all possible ties and work hard to isolate China and that will not be difficult as her neighbours are already scared. No western nor most Asian companies will ever trust investing in China again.

The new China that rose from the nightmare of Mao Zedong, the China that Deng Xiaoping envisioned, will be thrown into the trash-bin of history and an aggressive, militarized China, poorer, more communist again, more oppressive, far more isolated in the world, will emerge.

Thank you for chinese good ,Desertfalcon! but I have to say that is The typical american thinking . Some of your criticisms is not worth refuting.
 
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your point is meanless with "should be like this" things.
What made China big like now !? Invasion. So It's natural when you got respond from other in past.

"US shadow" was sneak in Chinese life style nowaday very much, or you living in another world !? :cheesy:

You said your mind or Chinese mind, it's not me "jealous and want to emigrate to the west" ... LOL

It was PRC 's side don't want to cooperate, when they said "peace", but keep building up and create artificial Islands from reef and shoals, keep use CMS, CCG ships attack and harass Vietnamese fishing ship whenever they have chance.


Trick you what, kid !?
So China didn't have problems with other countries !?
And what the hell is Tailand of you !?
:cheesy:

Really feel shameful about your coment and please go on kiss up to USA.
You know why we creat artificial islands?Because we are afriand that the thief would steal...
Your country has get a large amount of profit from South China See and that part takes a large amount of your country revenue.
You are afraid of the loss.
Moreover,when you talk about your "FRIENDS" TAIWAN,I am sorry that TAIWAN has the same view with China Mainland.
In addition,China has been highlighting "leave aside the dispute,go for cooperative development".
I mean US shadow which could influcence the politics and intervere with the interal affairs.Sorry we don't and in addition we won't ask others countries' warship docking China.
China is very big and thanks for your jealousness and we wont lose any part in the future.Russia is much bigger and no one inch is needless.
Welcome to invade!!!OK,when you make your country strong as China at least.
Remember one thing that the world just believes in CAPACITY....no mercy at all...

The awful thing for the Chinese people is, if the fools in Beijing who are massively building up the armed forces and rattling sabres with their neighbours continue down this road and stumble into a regional war with Japan, or South Korea, the Philippines, Vietnam, America, or a combination of those countries, everything that China has worked so hard for, everything that has been achieved since the 1980's, will all be destroyed in one foolish act of aggression. NO COUNTRY will ever trust or trade with China after that. No one in the region. No one among the democratic community of nations. There will be an utter collapse of trade with the vast majority of China's trading partners. America will cut all possible ties and work hard to isolate China and that will not be difficult as her neighbours are already scared. No western nor most Asian companies will ever trust investing in China again.

The new China that rose from the nightmare of Mao Zedong, the China that Deng Xiaoping envisioned, will be thrown into the trash-bin of history and an aggressive, militarized China, poorer, more communist again, more oppressive, far more isolated in the world, will emerge.

JUST DO IT....DON'T DO DAYDREAM..
 
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The awful thing for the Chinese people is, if the fools in Beijing who are massively building up the armed forces and rattling sabres with their neighbours continue down this road and stumble into a regional war with Japan, or South Korea, the Philippines, Vietnam, America, or a combination of those countries, everything that China has worked so hard for, everything that has been achieved since the 1980's, will all be destroyed in one foolish act of aggression. NO COUNTRY will ever trust or trade with China after that. No one in the region. No one among the democratic community of nations. There will be an utter collapse of trade with the vast majority of China's trading partners. America will cut all possible ties and work hard to isolate China and that will not be difficult as her neighbours are already scared. No western nor most Asian companies will ever trust investing in China again.

The new China that rose from the nightmare of Mao Zedong, the China that Deng Xiaoping envisioned, will be thrown into the trash-bin of history and an aggressive, militarized China, poorer, more communist again, more oppressive, far more isolated in the world, will emerge.
It sounds like Chinese didn't fight foreign war, don't we ?
 
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