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Why did PM Sharif meet the leader of the World Zionist movement?

I am sure that many here would love to add to your information about just how evil the Zionists are around the world. However, I am too ignorant of matters to add to your knowledge. Hence I will beg my leave from this great thread.

So you say Zionists are "evil"? Thank you sir, you have indeed added to my knowledge. :P

Not sure why you think that, but I'm sure someone else can fill me in.
 
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No one is peddling the 'elders of Zion' BS here. You have great knowledge of the financial industry, you might be able to shed some light on the role of Lehman Brother's role in regards to the GFC.

Whole books have been written about the global financial crisis, but I will try to condense it down into a super executive summary, so please forgive the short-cuts I use in explaining this:

Lehman Bros was primarily a victim of the GFC, not its cause (I would blame Countrywide Financial and Washington Mutual for aggressively loaning so much money to deadbeats and liars; Deutsche Bank more for its role in the creation and popularization of the CDO structure that appeared to make packaged tranches of such junk mortgages appear to be of the highest rating; AIG for its reckless sale of CDS to insure the mortgages; and Goldman Sachs for its culture of trading against its clients to aggravate the situation).

Finance is, in a sense, a matter of faith. As a simple example for the retail banking world, when you deposit money in a bank, you expect to be able to withdraw your money at any time you choose, but generally speaking, you only withdraw a little bit at a time as needed. The bank uses this fact to engage in what is called fractional reserve lending--it keeps only approximately 10% of actual deposits on hand, and lends the rest out.

Corporate finance is similar. Banks transact with each other as counter-parties under the assumption (faith) that their counter-parties are trustworthy and will fulfill their contracts and obligations. They can gauge this trustworthiness from quarterly balance sheet statements and how the credit market is valuing their debt. But in times of severe strain, like that experienced under the GFC, such assumptions are often invalidated. In Lehman's case, it made some bad bets on the mortgage instruments it was holding, and suffered large losses. This, in turn, caused the market to lose faith in Lehman's solvency, so the credit market stopped lending money to Lehman.

I don't want to get into too much technical detail, but financial institutions borrow money from a highly liquid money market overnight to fund daily operations and provide sufficient working capital, and in normal times, this market is both highly liquid and very cheap. But because the market was already starting to panic about the mortgage market, which is the bedrock of most banks' operations, Lehman's announced losses meant that this overnight money market just instantly dried up for Lehman. Lehman just ran out of cash in a few days, essentially. And as the value of mortgages continued to crash, the asset side of its balance sheet crashed, too, until it had more liabilities than assets, and without the prospect of being able to repay its obligations in a timely manner--i.e. the definition of bankruptcy.

An important note: until hedge funds conspired with Deutsche Bank to create CDOs, it was literally impossible to short-sell mortgages. This "financial innovation" helped accelerate the crash of mortgages and created the emergency situation that confronted Wall Street; otherwise, it would have been a rather gradual cycle of asset write-downs as the various mortgage borrowers defaulted.

Since Lehman was a critical (if not central) player in the credit (debt) markets at the time, Lehman's crash more likely than not would have brought down the entire financial system. That's why when Lehman collapsed, there was that emergency weekend meeting between the Federal Reserve, the US Treasury, and Congress to try and work out a bailout package before the Asian market opened on Monday. It's also why Goldman Sachs converted (or should I say, was allowed to convert) overnight from an investment bank structure to a wholesale bank structure, so it would be able to draw emergency funds from the Federal Reserve (and thus avoid the fate of its fellow investment bank, Lehman Brothers, which did not have access to the Federal Reserve cash).

I think the rest is fairly well understood by everyone. The banks were given a bailout to protect their depositors and counter-parties. AIG, which had insured every piece of garbage that crossed its desk, was given a gigantic bailout. Central banks across the world made emergency currency swaps to prevent the sovereigns from defaulting as well. Institutional investors who had been suckered into buying garbage mortgages experienced severe pain, or were wiped out. Since the banks had been so leveraged, they were forced to liquidate their holdings at fire-sale prices, thus causing extreme distress in both the stock market and credit markets, which crashed for another 6 months until QE1 was initiated.

I can't say I understand where Zionists come into the picture. This was a failure across the board, of banks, mortgage lenders, regulators, politicians, investors, and mom and pop liars (I mean, borrowers). Whether or not they believed a Jewish homeland should be established in the area now called Israel doesn't seem to have had an impact on their ability to profit from or be destroyed by the global financial crisis. Many Jews and non-Jews profited, and many Jews and non-Jews were bankrupted in the process.

If we misdiagnose the problem ("it was the Zionists!"), we will not be able to resolve it successfully or prevent it from happening again in the future. Let's be clear eyed about the issue, which is that we need to make sufficient contingencies to deal with human failure, whether that failure is intentional or not, or malevolent or not.
 
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Lower oil prices are great for us though. :D

Anyway we definitely need to harness our massive Shale reserves to achieve some degree of self-sufficiency, that's important for our national security. But it will be 10-20 years before we can extract Shale in the required amounts.

No, you need to continue your study of TH-90 and Cold Nuclear Fusion as well as Graphene coils for wind mills. China is the best hope for replacing the fossil fuels and breaking the monopoly of western oil firms.
 
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An important note: until hedge funds conspired with Deutsche Bank to create CDOs, it was literally impossible to short-sell mortgages. This "financial innovation" helped accelerate the crash of mortgages and created the emergency situation that confronted Wall Street; otherwise, it would have been a rather gradual cycle of asset write-downs as the various mortgage borrowers defaulted.

"Financial innovation", well that is one term for it I guess. Maybe a bit generous. :P
 
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Why do you have to be so sarcastic and hostile though?

I've never heard of this "Zionists" thing before I came to this website, and so I would love to learn more about it.

Isn't that what we are here for, to learn new things?

Of course personally I only tend to believe in things which can be proven using empirical evidence, but that does not mean I don't have a great interest and curiosity in unproven theories that are shared and believed by a great number of people in the world.

Theories can be based partially in fact (or not at all), but the theory itself still matters if it holds weight in the world.


according to islamist jihadists most of the terrorism they commit is to fight of zionist plot to take over the world. According to them oil crisis, financial crisis, world wars, earthquakes, tsunamis, forest fires, floods, even cricket match and football losses are part of the zionist plot. It was a zionist plot that Christ is associated with Christianity; it was zionist plot that everybody in the world is not muslim; it was a zionist plot that muslim youth are inferior in all countries ....etc etc.

BTW be careful - if China acts against the uighur rebels they'll blame China to be part of the zionist plot.
 
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I can't say I understand where Zionists come into the picture. This was a failure across the board, of banks, mortgage lenders, regulators, politicians, investors, and mom and pop liars (I mean, borrowers). Whether or not they believed a Jewish homeland should be established in the area now called Israel doesn't seem to have had an impact on their ability to profit from or be destroyed by the global financial crisis. Many Jews and non-Jews profited, and many Jews and non-Jews were bankrupted in the process.
Because it had nothing to do with that ideology. This was about making money and making more of it than the other guy on wall street. If youve even worked there, you know what the culture is like. As you mentioned, this was a systemmic issue where the ratings agency were involved as well. The funny thing is no one really understood how much risk was being added to the system, what saved some firms was the fact that their CEOs were smart enough to say 'no' to a business they didn't understand.

To be clear, the CDOs or CLOs werent the problem. It was the dirty security that was being securitized and sold off. The same business goes on even today, albeit at a much smaller scale wkth tighter controls.

I was surprised that you didnt mention bear stearns in the list of companies.
 
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I should have known things would go bad when I met in 2001, for the first time ever, a recently hired colleague who had just attained a master's degree in "financial engineering." I kid you not.

Taking it into account, do you think is it avoidable for states to deny investors political leverage in return for investments?
People like Soros, Adelson or Kochs for that matter have a history of political interference while riding their financial horse. Is it good for the nation states to have wealthy but unelected non state actors influencing public, fiscal or foreign policy through secret donations, investments and by funding elections?
 
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Because it had nothing to do with that ideology. This was about making money and making more of it than the other guy on wall street. If youve even worked there, you know what the culture is like. As you mentioned, this was a systemmic issue where the ratings agency were involved as well. The funny thing is no one really understood how much risk was being added to the system, what saved some firms was the fact that their CEOs were smart enough to say 'no' to a business they didn't understand.

To be clear, the CDOs or CLOs werent the problem. It was the dirty security that was being securitized and sold off. The same business goes on even today, albeit at a much smaller scale wkth tighter controls.

I was surprised that you didnt mention bear stearns in the list of companies.

Sorry, I could go on and on about this. The ratings agencies, the hedge funds and auction rate securities, syndication, the precedent of Bear and the "moral hazard" implications that led to Lehman being allowed to fail, etc. but it's just a personally exhausting subject for me, and I wanted to communicate the crux of the matter in as simple a way as possible. Please feel free to elaborate for the other readers, though! :)
 
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Taking it into account, do you think is it avoidable for states to deny investors political leverage in return for investments?
People like Soros, Adelson or Kochs for that matter have a history of political interference while riding their financial horse. Is it good for the nation states to have wealthy but unelected non state actors influencing public, fiscal or foreign policy through secret donations, investments and by funding elections?

I don't think the fact that elections can be essentially bought these days is a good thing, but I think the US handles it in the best way: we each have our own billionaires to fight the other side's billionaires. Silicon Valley left-wing billionaires vs. industrial right-wing billionaires. New money billionaires vs. old money billionaires. Et cetera. And at least our system is transparent. Please compare to Japan, which has strict public campaign funding laws and very short election cycles, but which has tremendous corruption in the system (the daughter of a former PM just had to resign over "campaign finance irregularities"), and which allows lobby groups (the most famous of which being the construction lobby and agriculture lobby) to influence policy behind closed doors.

I don't think there is an ideal system, so the best way to combat it is through transparency. As @A.M. pointed out, the reason why such extremes were allowed to develop in the financial system in the run up to 2008 was that the system was opaque, and no one quite knew how much risk was being taken on system-wide. In finance, like politics, if we have transparency, we can adjust, even if those systems don't meet our highest ideals in terms of ethics.
 
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I don't think the fact that elections can be essentially bought these days is a good thing, but I think the US handles it in the best way: we each have our own billionaires to fight the other side's billionaires. Silicon Valley left-wing billionaires vs. industrial right-wing billionaires. New money billionaires vs. old money billionaires. Et cetera. And at least our system is transparent. Please compare to Japan, which has strict public campaign funding laws and very short election cycles, but which has tremendous corruption in the system (the daughter of a former PM just had to resign over "campaign finance irregularities"), and which allows lobby groups (the most famous of which being the construction lobby and agriculture lobby) to influence policy behind closed doors.

I don't think there is an ideal system, so the best way to combat it is through transparency. As @A.M. pointed out, the reason why such extremes were allowed to develop in the financial system in the run up to 2008 was that the system was opaque, and no one quite knew how much risk was being taken on system-wide. In finance, like politics, if we have transparency, we can adjust, even if those systems don't meet our highest ideals in terms of ethics.

For example.

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/10/11/u...secret-money-flood-the-midterm-elections.html

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/11/09/opinion/sunday/dark-money-helped-win-the-senate.html

Sheldon Adelson tries to recruit fellow billionaire to a NYT Co. takeover | New York Post
 
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What can I say? No one is perfect. I hope criticism of the US system doesn't stem from disappointment that we are not perfect. As I said, this problem tends to balance itself out. Obama ran a campaign in excess of $1bn and won in 2012, then we raked in the cash in reaction to his incompetent governance, and we won in 2014.

We do our best, like everyone else, and I personally believe our system is the one that is best suited to us and our national character. Canada is just across the border, but has a system that you would probably be far more comfortable with (since it shares the ethos of Australia's system). I wouldn't impose our system on them, and I wouldn't have them impose their system on us, would you?
 
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What can I say? No one is perfect. I hope criticism of the US system doesn't stem from disappointment that we are not perfect. As I said, this problem tends to balance itself out. Obama ran a campaign in excess of $1bn and won in 2012, then we raked in the cash in reaction to his incompetent governance, and we won in 2014.

We do our best, like everyone else, and I personally believe our system is the one that is best suited to us and our national character. Canada is just across the border, but has a system that you would probably be far more comfortable with (since it shares the ethos of Australia's system). I wouldn't impose our system on them, and I wouldn't have them impose their system on us, would you?

Would you agree if i stated that if possible the states should avoid the political influence of wealthy non state actors and corporate heads?
 
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