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Well it seems we might want to hold off on all the predictions of Seoul and Beijing joining hands and riding off into the sunset as Asia’s new power couple--at least for now.

China is quite upset at the prospect of South Korea acquiring America’s latest missile defense platform, Terminal High Altitude Area Defense, or THAAD for short. However, Xi Jinping might want to redirect his anger at the real problem and why President Park Geun-hye might be considering THAAD in the first place: North Korea.

But before we get to the heart of the matter, it seems appropriate to understand what THAAD is, what it can do, and why its important.

Back in November, I spoke to Dan Sauter of Business Development for Terminal High Altitude Area Defense at Lockheed Martin to get a better understanding of the system and its capabilities. Sauter explained that THAAD is “a key element of the U.S. Ballistic Missile Defense System (BMDS) and is designed to defend U.S. troops, allied forces, population centers and critical infrastructure against short-thru-medium-range ballistic missiles.” He went on to explain that THAAD “has a unique capability to destroy threats in both the endo- and exo-atmosphere using proven hit-to-kill (kinetic energy) lethality. THAAD is effective against all types of ballistic-missile warheads, especially including Weapons of Mass Destruction (chemical, nuclear or biological) payloads. THAAD was specifically designed to counter mass raids with its high firepower (up to 72 Interceptors per battery), capable organic radar and powerful battle manager/fire control capability.”

THAAD also has one nice feature that is sure to get Beijing’s panties in a bunch--interoperability.

Sauter told The National Interest that THAAD is “interoperable with other BMDS elements, working in concert with Patriot/PAC-3, Aegis Ballistic Missile Defense, forward based sensors, and C2BMC (Command and Control, Battle Management, and Communications System) to maximize integrated air and missile defense capabilities. THAAD is mobile and rapidly deployable, which provides warfighters with greater flexibility to adapt to changing threat situations around the globe.”

Now that we understand a little about what THAAD is and what it can do, why should China care?

It seems Beijing is concerned that THAAD could blunt at least some of their military capabilities--going so far as to utilize Chinese hackers to steal at least some aspects of its design according to various reports.

Here is why Pyongyang matters and could drive a THAAD deployment close to Beijing’s borders. With North Korea constantly rattling the saber and developing various types of long range missiles the United States and its allies are looking for ways to defend themselves--and THAAD could certainly be part of that mix. However, as Beijing knows all too well--and why they are so upset--such weapons could be used as a shield against Chinese missiles as well.

Over the last several decades China has been building a massive arsenal of cruise and ballistic missiles. This would be a big part of any anti-access/area-denial strategy it would use against Japan and/or the United States. China’s nuclear weapons arsenal would be launched atop ballistic missiles as well. THAAD, if it were to be deployed to South Korea (which is far from a done deal, by the way), could at least in theory blunt some of the offensive firepower China is trying to deploy on both the conventional and nuclear side--double trouble for sure.

But while China might be upset at the prospects of more U.S. missile defense systems near its borders, this is a problem it hould have seen coming. Back in 2013, during the last big North Korea showdown, the United States moved THAAD to defend Guam from a possible North Korean missile attack.

The threat to China is quite clear. If North Korea were once again to create another crisis where the United States once more had to move additional missile defenses back to the Pacific and increase Aegis patrols as was done in 2013, Washington may just leave such defensive platforms in place. Back in 2013 when the crisis with North Korea was at its peak, I laid out the case for such a U.S. move and the repercussions in further detail:

North Korea may just provide the strategic rationale the United States needs to drop the veiled nature of the military and geostrategic components of its pivot to Asia...American military planners may decide to keep ever increasing amounts of ballistic missile defense systems forward deployed in East Asia for the next time North Korea threatens the region.

U.S. allies could also follow suit. For example, with Tokyo already actively considering moving away from its more defensive military posture, the North Korea threat may provide the final impetus Tokyo needs to justify sustaining higher defense budgets beyond this year’s increase. Tokyo could also decide Pyongyang’s missile capabilities require it to further bolster its cooperation with the U.S. on missile defense. Just as important, the clear and present danger North Korea poses to South Korea could lead the latter to more actively participate in triangular security arrangements with the U.S. and Japan.

All of this has ramifications for Beijing. Ever increasing amounts of missile defense systems will certainly erode China’s growing anti-access capabilities. While it is hard to make solid predictions, it is clear that missile defenses utilized for the protection of U.S. bases and allies in the region also have the potential of being used and/or enhanced to defend against Chinese missiles in the event – however remote – of some sort of conflict. While no one knows for certain how effective China’s new capabilities would be in a crisis, nor how effectively American and allied missile defenses would prove against such missiles, there is certainly the potential that the potency of China’s asymmetric capabilities would be degraded.

Considering tensions between Washington and Beijing over multiple issues ranging from the Senkaku Islands, Taiwan, the South China Sea and so on, America might just conclude a little extra insurance policy against two potential problems might just be a really smart idea. Such a move would be purely defensive, strengthen cooperation with critical U.S. allies like South Korea and Japan, and could lead to a more regional outlook among this grouping when it comes to missile defense while nudging Seoul and Japan a little closer together. What is not to like?

For China, the next move should be very clear: it is time to reign in its allies in Pyongyang and make sure North Korea halts any further missile tests that could drive a U.S. deployment of THAAD or any other missile defenses. In the event of another crisis or a missile test that were to show some sort of North Korean ICBM capability, Washington would certainly rethink its commitments to missile defense in the Asia-Pacific. Any move to increase its capabilities and that of its allies would certainly negate Beijing’s missile capabilities and A2/AD capabilities. Does China really want to take such a chance? I don’t think so.

Why China Fears U.S. Missile Defenses | The National Interest
 
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It is a step forward of the dirty games that US and proxies are playing on China
US and NATO are using the same tricks on Russia
We dont fear THAAD
We dislike engaging ourselves in wars unnecessarily
US knows this is an effective way to stop us from challenging their hegemony



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For a country that doesn't fear THAAD/US missile defense, it sure loves to whine about it. I suggest China heed its own advice, which it loves to dish out, and stop meddling in other countries affairs.
 
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For a country that doesn't fear THAAD/US missile defense, it sure loves to whine about it. I suggest China heed its own advice, which it loves to dish out, and stop meddling in other countries affairs.

The USA always complains when we don't meddle in others' affairs. In fact, the US constantly throws tantrums in asking us to meddle in the internal affairs of our African and Latin America trade partners, by demanding that we attach "human rights" conditions to our trade and investment. But, it can be observed from the clusterfuck that is Afghanistan, Libya, Iraq, Yemen, Ukraine that the USA doesn't really care about human rights, and is only crassly concerned with China undercutting their attempts to monopolize how Africa/Venezuela interacts with the outer world.

The one time that we "meddle" by trying to preserve regional security, by preventing the collapse of the MAD doctrine that underpins all stability in the region, suddenly the USA has a problem, on the most spurious grounds possible. Is it possible to satisfy this schizo country?
 
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It is a step forward of the dirty games that US and proxies are playing on China
US and NATO are using the same tricks on Russia
We dont fear THAAD
We dislike engaging ourselves in wars unnecessarily
US knows this is an effective way to stop us from challenging their hegemony



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Not fear by China. More like concerned. And can you name the countries as proxies against China? Put out the list.
 
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For a country that doesn't fear THAAD/US missile defense, it sure loves to whine about it. I suggest China heed its own advice, which it loves to dish out, and stop meddling in other countries affairs.
Are you for real? For a country that claims China's weapons either doesn't work, or doesn't change anything, maybe you should stop complaining.

I'm talking Anti SAT, not the 2007 test, where the debris could be an explanation, I'm talking hypersonic vehicle, I'm talking JL-2, I'm talking, new missiles tests, I'm talking even banks, AIIB.

The US came out and said the bank will have bad practice and thus won't work, then goes ahead and stops anyone from joining, if this was 1995 it might have worked, but as things stand.

You mad, bro?

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The US and South Korea are under constant nuclear threat from the North Koreans, and have every right to deploy missile defense systems to protect SK and US forces in the region. This is the same country that praised the attempted murder of our South Korean ambassador. We have no choice but to take their threats seriously.

China simply fears that THAAD in concert with US and allied air and missile defense systems will degrade their A2/AD network. It's a price China will have to pay due to their inability to reign in the "Dear Leaders" childish antics.
 
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The US and South Korea are under constant nuclear threat from the North Koreans, and have every right to deploy missile defense systems to protect SK and US forces in the region. This is the same country that praised the attempted murder of our South Korean ambassador. We have no choice but to take their threats seriously.

China simply fears that THAAD in concert with US and allied air and missile defense systems will degrade their A2/AD network. It's a price China will have to pay due to their inability to reign in the "Dear Leaders" childish antics.
If you knew all these things, which I assumed you knew, since this is a defense forum, why did you question China's concern.

What we do in East Asia is our choice, US led economic model has made China a richer nation, while stagnated every ally country, none spared, why is the US complaining about Chinese role in the economic world and its government taking every opportunity to deny China's rightful place in that order, like WB, like ADB, like G-7 and more.

That's just how nations react, making it seem anything other than that will simply backfire on you, because if you want to talk petty, we can both be pretty high on that list.
 
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Not fear by China. More like concerned. And can you name the countries as proxies against China? Put out the list.

Ask your chief about it
He should have the most thorough one

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Ask your chief about it
He should have the most thorough one

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Quartz inside painted
snuff bottle with stopper

I'm asking you since you seem to be more knowledgeable at it. Enlighten me.
 
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The US and South Korea are under constant nuclear threat from the North Koreans, and have every right to deploy missile defense systems to protect SK and US forces in the region. This is the same country that praised the attempted murder of our South Korean ambassador. We have no choice but to take their threats seriously.

China simply fears that THAAD in concert with US and allied air and missile defense systems will degrade their A2/AD network. It's a price China will have to pay due to their inability to reign in the "Dear Leaders" childish antics.

That's total bulsh1t, US and Sk are ganging up with massive military exercise and keep pressure on NK, and not to mention US-Japan naval exercise. Nuke is the only way out for NK to deal with you since it's completely isolated without any assistance but with THAAD deployment on SK, this might change China and Russia attitude as merely an observators to participants.

As for THAAD itself, as you said it will degrade our A2/AD but that dosn't mean we're running out of the option, we can revive our military assistance to NK to keep even higher pressure to SK not to mention that Russia is also allergic to your THAAD system to their far east, if both of us combine to help NK as 1950...as I mention before the only victime will be Koreans themself.
 
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@Genesis : If you put all the cards onto the table, that means you are cornered.

So how you could say about those:
1. newest Anti SAT : could it reach US SAT, GPS SAT if it based on ballistic DF-21, even DF-31 ?
altitude for GPS satellites : 20,000 km from Earth.
2. AIIB : never existed
3. hypersonic weapon : named by American. What do you know about that ( testing ) or code name? or just get from "bad" Western source
forgive me if I have no clue what this means. No disrespect on your English, since it's not your first language, but can't respond if I don't understand.
 
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forgive me if I have no clue what this means. No disrespect on your English, since it's not your first language, but can't respond if I don't understand.

Okay, you talked about your Anti SAT ability. So tell me more on it.
How could it destroy a GPS satellite at altitude 20,000 km?
 
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That's total bulsh1t, US and Sk are ganging up with massive military exercise and keep pressure on NK, and not to mention US-Japan naval exercise. Nuke is the only way out for NK to deal with you.

As for THAAD, as you said it will degrade our A2/AD but that dosn't mean we're running out of the option, we can revive our military assistance to NK to keep even higher pressure to SK not to mention that Russia is also allergic to your THAAD system to their far east, if both of us combine to help NK as 1950...as I mention before the only victime will be Koreans themself.

LOL! They had massive exercises for decades. This is to remind North Korea they are not to be trifled with since its invasion of South Korea.
 
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