Why 'border management' on the Western border is a fool's errand

[CriticalThought]

I am really fedup with people perpetuating the lie that we can simply seal our borders with Afghanistan and live in peace. I have created this thread to serve as a collection of all incidents going forward that show just how futile 'border management' is. Here is the first piece of evidence:

https://defence.pk/threads/afghan-guard-reportedly-killed-in-cross-border-firing.474734/

Why it is bad: it tarnishes our image because we are seen as killers of Afghan soldiers. For all the blood, sweat, and money going into 'border management', we get back hate. 'Border management' is a stop gap solution only. The real long term solution is to chop off the snake's head in Kabul.

 

[maximuswarrior]

Indian presence in Afghanistan is the problem. Try to understand. India has terror consulate factories which are churning out suicide attackers against Pakistan. We don't have an option, but to secure the border. Afghans are brainwashed and taught to hate Pakistan. Afghan leaders spew venom against Pakistan. The Afghans are trained and sponsored to carry out attacks on our side. The lives of our people depend on a border.

 

[CriticalThought]

Indian presence in Afghanistan is the problem. Try to understand. India has terror factories which are churning out suicide attackers against Pakistan. We don't have an option, but to secure the border.

Oh we have lots of options. For example, topple the government in Kabul.

 

[maximuswarrior]

Oh we have lots of options. For example, topple the government in Kabul.

You know that is not realistic. Fvck Afghanistan. It is a failed crap hole. Nothing good will come out of it. Never has.

Just repatriate Afghans and close the border. We don't have any other option. Reasoning with Afghans is out of the question.

As for killing their guard. This is just the beginning. If they resort to any hostility we are going to teach them a lesson they will never forget.

 

[SoulSpokesman]

MW sb,

close the border.

Lots of Pakistanis tried that- Dahir, Jaipal etc. Didnt work out. That shouldnt prevent you from trying tho'.

Regards

 

[maximuswarrior]

MW sb,

close the border.

Lots of Pakistanis tried that- Dahir, Jaipal etc. Didnt work out. That shouldnt prevent you from trying tho'.

Regards

It worked splendidly. I don't see any Indians roaming around in Pakistan.

Afghans are going out of Pakistan. They need to go back to India or Afghanistan. Pakistan is not their home. Why live among people you hate? Why live in a place you despise? Time to pack your bags and leave Pakistan.

 

[CriticalThought]

You know that is not realistic. Fvck Afghanistan. It is a failed crap hole. Nothing good will come out of it. Never has.

It is realistic. It happened between 1995-2001. It can happen again.

Just repatriate Afghans and close the border. We don't have any other option. Reasoning with Afghans is out of the question.

This thread will keep growing with more and more proof why that is not viable.

As for killing their guard. This is just the beginning. If they resort to any hostility we are going to teach them a lesson they will never forget.

Until such time as you get a two-pronged attack from both Afghanistan and India. By tolerating the government in Kabul, we are essentially nurturing poisonous snakes in our backyard who are in cahoots with the hungry wolves next door.

 

[Awan68]

I am really fedup with people perpetuating the lie that we can simply seal our borders with Afghanistan and live in peace. I have created this thread to serve as a collection of all incidents going forward that show just how futile 'border management' is. Here is the first piece of evidence:

https://defence.pk/threads/afghan-guard-reportedly-killed-in-cross-border-firing.474734/

Why it is bad: it tarnishes our soft image in Afghanistan because we are seen as killers of Afghan soldiers. For all the blood, sweat, and money going into 'border management', we get back hate.

Hey whoever the **** u maybe, take that soft image and shove it up ur ***, we dont give a rats *** about what the afghan thinks, to me a pakistani's life is more important than the whole of afghanistan, and no we are only seens as killers of afghan soldiers in that minorty northern alliance loyalist segment of afghan population, the majority supports afghan taliban and are thus our allies, western border can be, will be and is bieng managed, no raw paid terrorists will be allowed to infiltrate pakistan again via afghanistan, it fost us billiona of dollars and 500 soldiers to expell these terrorist raw rats from fata and we will not allow them to jump back ever even if we have to bomb the living day lights out of afghanistan, that is why border sealing and management is a better solution cause the other one is directly bombing ttp hideouts in afghanistan which will obviously result in afghan civilian casualities which we obviously dont want but rest assured as i said to us a single pakistani life is more precious to us than the entire world..

 

[Awan68]

Oh we have lots of options. For example, topple the government in Kabul.

We cant as long as the Us protects it, we have to use subversive tactics now for that purpose which will take time and in the mean time border management is the way to go cause we cant loose the gains in zarb e azab..

 

[H!TchHiker]

I am really fedup with people perpetuating the lie that we can simply seal our borders with Afghanistan and live in peace. I have created this thread to serve as a collection of all incidents going forward that show just how futile 'border management' is. Here is the first piece of evidence:

https://defence.pk/threads/afghan-guard-reportedly-killed-in-cross-border-firing.474734/

Why it is bad: it tarnishes our soft image in Afghanistan because we are seen as killers of Afghan soldiers. For all the blood, sweat, and money going into 'border management', we get back hate.

Amazed at your thought if you think Pakistan has soft image in Afghanistan...Pakistan has negative image since day 1 whatever you do it will not change.Visit Kabul for a day so that you can get the taste of a reality..
Only practical solution to some extent is border management and leaves Afghanistan on its own to deal with there affairs..

 

[ebrahym]

I am really fedup with people perpetuating the lie that we can simply seal our borders with Afghanistan and live in peace. I have created this thread to serve as a collection of all incidents going forward that show just how futile 'border management' is. Here is the first piece of evidence:

https://defence.pk/threads/afghan-guard-reportedly-killed-in-cross-border-firing.474734/

Why it is bad: it tarnishes our soft image in Afghanistan because we are seen as killers of Afghan soldiers. For all the blood, sweat, and money going into 'border management', we get back hate.

with all due respect we dont have any soft image in afghanistan
border management can solve half of the problem if not all of it

 

[CriticalThought]

We cant as long as the Us protects it, we have to use subversive tactics now for that purpose which will take time and in the mean time border management is the way to go cause we cant loose the gains in zarb e azab..

I agree completely with that. Maybe I should edit my OP and state that border management can only be a stop-gap measure. Meanwhile, please reconsider your first post because you have used extremely crude and offensive language. Thank you.

Amazed at your thought if you think Pakistan has soft image in Afghanistan...Pakistan has negative image since day 1 whatever you do it will not change.Visit Kabul for a day so that you can get the taste of a reality..
Only practical solution is border management and leaves Afghanistan on its own to deal with there affairs..

What I am trying to say is these kinds of incidents give the Afghans just one more reason to cry against us in front of the whole world who are already biased against us. We can't afford these whiners in our neighborhood and forever rely on 'border management'. Something more fundamental needs to be done.

with all due respect we dont have any soft image in afghanistan
border management can solve half of the problem if not all of it

Nopes border management is just a stop-gap. The real solution is in chopping the snake's head.

 

[ebrahym]

Nopes border management is just a stop-gap. The real solution is in chopping the snake's head.

the only solution to that is direct interference in political and security dynamics of Afghanistan which is impossible as long as US is sitting on the head

 

[RIP Pak LAW]

Why it is bad: it tarnishes our soft image in Afghanistan because we are seen as killers of Afghan soldiers

Like they will consider us as angels if we don't have a proper border management system at place.

And really who gives a sh*t what Afghans thinks or will think about Pakistan. We need to restrict and regularize that part of the world for obvious reasons. Perhaps if there is a border that needs a strict check and balance than its Durand line. Also it should serve Afghanistan cause as well since they believe that militants cross their territory through Pakistan. Successful example is Israeli wall against Palestinians. At least it is helping their cause.

P.S with Trump's wall against Mexicans, which is widely backed by general US public, case of such border management system is even more suitable now. Trump Govt will never object over it.

 

[Awan68]

I apologize for the harsh words but u must realise that us pakistani's have given immense sacrifices to end this terror plague and save this nation so we just cannot compromise again on security even if it means turning all of afghanistan against us but dont worry that dont happen cause the majority pashtoon population of pakistan are pakistani ally through and through...

I agree completely with that. Maybe I should edit my OP and state that border management can only be a stop-gap measure. Meanwhile, please reconsider your first post because you have used extremely crude and offensive language. Thank you.



What I am trying to say is these kinds of incidents give the Afghans just one more reason to cry against us in front of the whole world who are already biased against us. We can't afford these whiners in our neighborhood and forever rely on 'border management'. Something more fundamental needs to be done.



Nopes border management is just a stop-gap. The real solution is in chopping the snake's head.