Why Arming the Kurds Is Worth Angering the Turks

[SubWater]

 

[maximuswarrior]

It's a stupid move - frankly if the kurdish leadership had any sense they'd not make these moves. The Turks aren't going to stand for it, one way or the other they're going to attack the Kurds and neutralise the threat. America is known to fight to the last puppet, this time the Kurds are the one being chucked into the meat grinder.

The Kurds must learn from Afghanistan. Another American "success" story.

America has no allies. It only has interests and puppets.

 

[Jaanbaz]

but he did travel through Kurdistan

Sorry the word you typed does not exist, please try a different query.

 

[jetray]

I don't understand why Turkey is so much against any news concerning the Kurds(even those outside its border) compared to Iraq, Syria and Iraq who also have their own kurdish issues but they are not as woke up about issues concerning the Kurds like Turkey. Why is that?

Kurds are already trying to establish a independent state within Iraq. Once that happens they will try to support kurds in other country.

 

[T-Rex]

But even Iran doesn't react the way Turkey does in regards to any news about Kurdish groups like Turkey does. Same with even Syria. In fact Iran (and even Syria ) have even supported directly or indirectly Kurdish fighters in Iraq and Syria, and they have never been as alarmed as Turkey about U.S,UK, Germany, France support for kurdish fighters against ISIS.
I find it strange, since they ate not ad worried as Turkey.

Different states react differently, what's so unusual about that? What matters is all Muslim countries abhor the British and her US master for trying to break them into tiny pieces.

 

[mike2000 is back]

Different states react differently, what's so unusual about that? What matters is all Muslim countries abhor the British and her US master for trying to break them into tiny pieces.

Really? Last I heard check we are allies with many Muslim countries in the region. Lol if anything Muslim countries have more hatred among themselves than towards others. Lol countries in the region have many issues among themselves other than U. K/U. S. Just look at your country Bangladesh, it still has more issues with India and Pakistan (your former colonial master who according to some Bangladeshi committed atrocities/genocide against bengalis during your fight for independence backed up by Hindu India) than towards western powers. In fact your country Bangladesh and U. K/U.S have good relations like many other Muslim countries. So I fail to see your point.

The Kurds must learn from Afghanistan. Another American "success" story.

America has no allies. It only has interests and puppets.

Last I checked every country has just interests right?

Its the same script yanks used against Pakistan from Afghanistan. Armed the TTP and then unleash wave of terrorism among Pakistani population.

Turkey needs to be extra vigilant and nip this evil in the bud before it becomes a cancer.

Huh.... But pakistan was allied with western powers(U. S/U. K etc) against Soviet union forces and indian backed northern alliance in Afghanistan. Or you think you could handle the soviets, and Indians backed northern alliance in Afghanistan alone?
So we had common interests, it was even more in Pakistans interests to request western support against these forces. So why are you acting like Pakistan was some sort of victim of Western conspiracy? Lol the radicalism and wahabist ideology that developed in Pakistan, is Pakistans own issue, stop blaming the west for all your issues.

Which country is the biggest target of Kurdish separatism? Which country gets attacked from outside its borders?
There you got your answers.

Yes, but even Iran have its own kurdish issue/problem. Some of its kurdish rebel groups have also attacked Iranian forces. However Iran doesn't get so worried about the Kurds getting any foreign support whatsoever like Turkey does. In fact even Syria and Iraq aren't as worried as Turkey. I believe without Turkeys concerns(and as a NATO member) the Kurds will have more chance of getting their independence or at least semi independence/full autonomy.

Moreover, unlike monarchies(gulf states /KSA), dictatorships(Syria), or theocracy like Iran, Turkey is a democracy and as such a referandum cam be held to solve this issue once and for all(like we did with Ireland)

actually, you and your American friends can not understand the region and for that you can not take right decision and your plan falls again and again.
you see the region through sectarian and Racial view and that is not correct.

even I believe Kurds vs Turks conflict is imported by European to region and is not domestic conflict.
Ferdowsi in shahnameh around 1000 years ago said all of us are son of Fereydun.

According to Ferdowsi's Shahnameh, Fereydun was the son of Ābtin, one of the descendants of Jamšid. Fereydun, together with Kāve, revolted against the tyrannical king, Zahāk, defeated and arrested him in the Alborz Mountains. Afterwards, Fereydun became the king, married Arnavāz and, according to the myth, ruled the country for about 500 years. At the end of his life, he allocated his kingdom to his three sons Salm, Tur, and Iraj.

Iraj was Fereydun's youngest and favored son, and inherited the best part of the kingdom, namely Iran. Salm inherited Anatolia ("Rûm", more generally meaning the Roman Empire, the Greco-Roman world, or just "the West"), and Tur inherited Central Asia ("Turān", all the lands north and east of the Amu Darya, as far as China), respectively. This aroused Iraj's brothers' envy, and encouraged them to murder him. After the murder of Iraj, Fereydun enthroned Iraj's grandson, Manučehr. Manučehr's attempt to avenge his grandfather's murder initiated the Iranian-Turanian wars.
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and this is part of kurd mythology too.
for your knowledge kurds believe nowroz is day which revolt agains Zahak was succeed by Fereydun.
put out your sectarian glasses.

LOL what are you even talking about?
So you mean the Kurds yearning for an independent state for centuries now is all due to Western powers?
Some of you Iranians need to calm down with western conspiracies. Guess it's the result of the 'Arab' Khomeini 'Islamic revolution'. It's getting ridiculous.
As for the rest of your posts I don't even know what you are talking about. All we know is that kurds have been agitating for independence or self rule for a long time now.

 

[Baybars Han]

Yes, there are countries who did arm the IRA indeed, at the end we saw that it was better for us in the long term to negotiate and organise a referandum to give them a choice to remain part of Great Britain or be independent. The southern part choosed independence while the north decided to remain part of Britain.
This helped bring peace and solved the problem once and for all,thus bringing about peace and stability and making both sides to focus on their internal growth and freeing military funds that was used by British forces to control Ireland.

Why can't Turkey and other countries in the region follow such a model? Organise an independence referandum and give them a choice to choose their own destiny, just like we did with the Irish, and even Scotland recently (though they was no armed conflict or pressure for our government to do so) . If the majority want to remain part of Turkey (which I believe many turks and others here say is the case) then they will vote to remain. This will help solve this issue once and for all. Military measures haven't achieved much for almost half a century, so why not try this? After all just like Britain, Turkey is also a democracy.


But even Iran doesn't react the way Turkey does in regards to any news about Kurdish groups like Turkey does. Same with even Syria. In fact Iran (and even Syria ) have even supported directly or indirectly Kurdish fighters in Iraq and Syria, and they have never been as alarmed as Turkey about U.S,UK, Germany, France support for kurdish fighters against ISIS.
I find it strange, since they ate not ad worried as Turkey.

I advise you to read some history before talking.

You cant compare Turks and Turkey with Britian(english,scot,ireland)and Irish.

The irish had the kingdom of ireland before the union, so they had all the right to be independent or have a referandum.

While the Turks have been in anatolia for more than 1000 years and we came as Turks and built our own countries and empires(Seljuks,Ottomans etc). When we came here there was no kurdish country and there was none in that time frame so you cant give something thats been ours continously for 1000 years out of the blue.

If the kurds hade the kingdom of kurdistan or something like irish and then joined with kingdom of Turkistan and then a few hundreds kurds said we want to leave, they can have the right but that was not the case.

What if the asians or black people in a hundred years say we want a country called blackania part of england, are you going to say lets do a referandum?

This is the simplest way to explain to people who lack history knowledge and basic understanding.

 

[CrimsonFury]

I smell blood, gallons of it, down the road

 

[SubWater]

LOL what are you even talking about?

you can not understand middle east and that is not my problem.

So you mean the Kurds yearning for an independent state for centuries now is all due to Western powers?

Yes. they provoke exactly by others. I don't know about Turks point of view but base on mine these independence issues come to region by westerners.

yearning for centuries?????
what is your clue ?

Some of you Iranians need to calm down with western conspiracies. Guess it's the result of the 'Arab' Khomeini 'Islamic revolution'. It's getting ridiculous.

NO, History teach us how to act and how to think.
we learn from our history and cry for our father stupidity to trust western and eastern powers.
nothing good came or would come from you to us.

As for the rest of your posts I don't even know what you are talking about. All we know is that kurds have been agitating for independence or self rule for a long time now.

No, it is not correct and even republic of mahabad was result of allies occupation of Iran during WW2 and with Soviet withdrawal of north they were destroyed by people.

 

[Taimoor Khan]

Huh.... But pakistan was allied with western powers(U. S/U. K etc) against Soviet union forces and indian backed northern alliance in Afghanistan. Or you think you could handle the soviets, and Indians backed northern alliance in Afghanistan alone?
So we had common interests, it was even more in Pakistans interests to request western support against these forces. So why are you acting like Pakistan was some sort of victim of Western conspiracy? Lol the radicalism and wahabist ideology that developed in Pakistan, is Pakistans own issue, stop blaming the west for all your issues.

How old are you kid? Missed your history classes? Soviets left Afghanistan donkey years ago and since lot of water has passed under the bridge. There was no northern alliance or Taliban back then.

TTP is a phenomenon which started after Afghanistan was occupied by yanks. Educate yourself.

 

[ckf]

I smell blood, gallons of it, down the road

Turkish nation spilled as much blood as any others last couple of years. Erdogan is a threat to regional stability, nobody trust him, Turkey is the country being thrown to the mules by the west.

 

[T-Rex]

Really? Last I heard check we are allies with many Muslim countries in the region.

You are allies with Muslim countries where people have no say, where despots rule with guns pointing at the people. I wouldn't be proud of such an alliance. Turkey is the only exception at the moment and that is why there was this attempt to over throw the democratically elected government.

 

[CrimsonFury]

Turkish nation spilled as much blood as any others last couple of years. Erdogan is a threat to regional stability, nobody trust him, Turkey is the country being thrown to the mules by the west.

The correct saying is "thrown to the wolves" you moronic mongrel. Come back when you learn English (and current geopolitics)

 

[ckf]

The correct saying is "thrown to the wolves" you moronic mongrel. Come back when you learn English (and current geopolitics)

Turkic nations belong in the land of mules not the wolves.

 

[CrimsonFury]

Turkic nations belong in the land of mules not the wolves.

Uhuh yeah ok...I suggest you have your IQ tested because I don't think it's above room temperature