Why are we so backward?

[King Solomon]

Yes i agree with you but problem is different words of Arabic have different or multiple meaning..for example many peoples take verse Quran, 5:51 out of context to claim that Islam don't allow Muslims to take Jews and Christians as friend. Now the Arabic word "Awliyaa" was used in that worse which has different literal meanings for example Allies, Friends, Guardians/protectors, alliances etc. Its very easy for someone who is not well literate in Arabic to give totally different meanings to this verse and same is the case with different verses deal with topic of jihad or holy war. If you just take their literal meaning without actual context then you will completely lost

Simple? Take the meaning which is closest to original arabic - As far as I know this is saheeh international.

You see, finding the context is not so difficult at all as you are assuming! Only if we use our intelligence provided by God. The verse 5:51 you mentioned states:

O you who have believed, do not take the Jews and the Christians as allies. They are [in fact] allies of one another. And whoever is an ally to them among you - then indeed, he is [one] of them. Indeed, Allah guides not the wrongdoing people.

What does it say? "Allies of one another",right? Those jews and christians who are allies of one another. In today's world, we can see that the "Zionist" alliance is based on alliance between certain christians and Jews. Historically they have been enemies of one another and even today are, but in Zionism, they become "friends of each other" as said in Quran.

Thus, this verse means do not take the Zionists as your friends and allies.

I hope that clears your doubt. Most contexts and verses are easy to understand only if we use our intelligence, use some common sense, link it to other verses and (rarely necessary) consider the conditions under which the verses were revealed.

However, some scholars will say this means we cannot be friends with jews orchristians at all. So, you cannot live in any western country. If you are born in west then go out to muslim country because you will go to hell if you don't.

For God's sake, Quran even allows us to marry Jews and Christians who believe in one God. Only some common sense and intelligence provided by God is necessary to refute these so-called "scholars", using the Quran itself.

 

[Raja.Pakistani]

^ finding context was difficult without scholar because i cannot understand Arabic. This word has different meaning told me by scholars who are expert of language . If Islam was that simple we would not have four mainstream schools of Sunni jurisprudence and everyone come up with their personal interpretation

 

[King Solomon]

^ finding context was difficult without scholar because i cannot understand Arabic. This word has different meaning told me by scholars who are expert of language . If Islam was that simple we would not have four mainstream schools of Sunni jurisprudence and everyone come up with their personal interpration

If everybody took their own interpretation of Quran as their guidance, we would not have shias, sunnnis, wahabis etc. fighting with each other.

You don't agree that is fine. I didn't force anything upon you

 

[Raja.Pakistani]

If everybody took their own interpretation of Quran as their guidance, we would not have shias, sunnnis, wahabis etc. fighting with each other.

no i think if everyone come up with their personal interpretation then you will have thousand versions of islam as peoples have habit to mold teaching according to their personal needs/want/desires. They will not change themselves for islam but will wish to change islam for themselves

 

[King Solomon]

no i think if everyone come up with their personal interpretation then you will have thousand versions of islam as peoples have habit to mold teaching according to their personal needs/want/desires. They will not change themselves for islam but will wish to change islam for themselves

That is your view, and you are entitled to it.

Then again, this view has been disagreed upon by Quran itself. I would take Quran's judgment above anyone else's. It is the reason of 'this view' that Islam is considered a 'backward' religion today.

 

[Raja.Pakistani]

That is your view, and you are entitled to it.

Then again, this view has been disagreed upon by Quran itself. I would take Quran's judgment above anyone else's. It is the reason of 'this view' that Islam is considered a 'backward' religion today.

I am sure if Prophet Muhammad(PBUH) was alive today then he nazoubillah would also be considered same by many modern or western muslims but who care what others think about islam as long as a muslim is content in what he believe ? The only religion which is not backward is the one which don't exist in its practical or original shape/form and got twisted according to modern times

You cannot even read Quran without help of scholars who also translated it for you from Arabic to English/Urdu or teach you how to read arabic and you are asking layman to derive Islamic laws based on Islamic scriptures : )

 

[haviZsultan]

I believe its a combination of features that have caused Pakistanis to be where they are currently.

Though I do not think Islam itself is a threat, I think the way we perceive Islam and seek to impose it on the rest of the population... that is wrong.

Personally I believe secularism is a better option than your people being killed daily in your own country. What has being an Islamic republic given us? Has it fed the 18 crore awam? Has it given shelter to our street urchins who sleep on the streets. Islamic Republic holds only sentimental value to us. It is not a real concept. Plus it has promoted the idea that we impose things on others (ie declaring Ahmadi's kaffir.)

Of course there are a number of other reasons too:
1) Intolerance and in acceptance of others religious, ethnic and other beliefs.
2) Corruption- in everything hamara faida. What will I gain from this? This makes us pretty underhanded. Means we can do anything for our own gains
3) Injustice- We cannot understand how important it is to give justice to all. An example of the injustice is the fact that people like Yahya and Tikka Khan are still alive and well. They haven't been punished for their crimes in 71 or for breaking the country.

I created a wallpaper on our problems too and what we need to solve for progress.

 

[VelocuR]

^^^ can't read BLACK fonts, it is complicated to read.

Fix it again easier for readers!

 

[MastanKhan]

I believe its a combination of features that have caused Pakistanis to be where they are currently.

Though I do not think Islam itself is a threat, I think the way we perceive Islam and seek to impose it on the rest of the population... that is wrong.

Personally I believe secularism is a better option than your people being killed daily in your own country. What has being an Islamic republic given us? Has it fed the 18 crore awam? Has it given shelter to our street urchins who sleep on the streets. Islamic Republic holds only sentimental value to us. It is not a real concept. Plus it has promoted the idea that we impose things on others (ie declaring Ahmadi's kaffir.)

Of course there are a number of other reasons too:
1) Intolerance and in acceptance of others religious, ethnic and other beliefs.
2) Corruption- in everything hamara faida. What will I gain from this? This makes us pretty underhanded. Means we can do anything for our own gains
3) Injustice- We cannot understand how important it is to give justice to all. An example of the injustice is the fact that people like Yahya and Tikka Khan are still alive and well. They haven't been punished for their crimes in 71 or for breaking the country.

I created a wallpaper on our problems too and what we need to solve for progress.

Hi,

Thank you very much sir---you are a good man---. a society that does not provide justice --- is no society at all---.

 

[Ahmad]

Differences come because one Mullah gives X interpretation, gathers A no. of followers. Another Mullah gives Y interpretation and gathers B no. of followers. Eventually clashes occur between them. This divides muslims and weakens them. Actually, majordifferences are in Hadiths, not concerning Quran. If everybody concentrated on Quran instead of hadiths we wouldn't be so backward.

If God says Quran should be self-taught as it is easy to understand, who are we to say it would not be successful? Surely, God knows better and what he suggested is the best way, regardless of what anyone thinks.

The fact is that Mullahs dont interpret things out of nothing, to blame the Mullahs only, wil solve nothing. They base their interpretation on something which is already there, and i think you answered that part yourself--which is Ahadith. As an example, the book of Bukhari Shareef is accepted as the second authentic book after the Quran for the muslims, or better to say for the Sunnis, the Mutafiqun Alaihi Ahadith are thought to be even stronger. If you suggest concentrating only on the Quran, then how do you pray? In the Quran it doesnt give the details of Wudo and Namaz.

To take religion completely out of political and governance system is the only solution, keep it simple and persona, do whatever you want by/with yourself without dictating others what to do with their religion. If we are able to do that, trust me unhealthy obsesion and extremism in religion will die by itself. Take the example of Turkey, i think we need to follow their suite in dealing with religion if we ever want to have success.

 

[Uchiha]

^ finding context was difficult without scholar because i cannot understand Arabic. This word has different meaning told me by scholars who are expert of language . If Islam was that simple we would not have four mainstream schools of Sunni jurisprudence and everyone come up with their personal interpretation

Ever heard of something called a dictionary?
The Quranic Arabic Corpus - Word by Word Grammar, Syntax and Morphology of the Holy Quran
The Quranic Arabic Corpus - Word by Word Grammar, Syntax and Morphology of the Holy Quran
Also see the other links, and trust me, u wont need any scholars

The fact is that Mullahs dont interpret things out of nothing, to blame the Mullahs only, wil solve nothing. They base their interpretation on something which is already there, and i think you answered that part yourself--which is Ahadith. As an example, the book of Bukhari Shareef is accepted as the second authentic book after the Quran for the muslims, or better to say for the Sunnis, the Mutafiqun Alaihi Ahadith are thought to be even stronger. If you suggest concentrating only on the Quran, then how do you pray? In the Quran it doesnt give the details of Wudo and Namaz.

To take religion completely out of political and governance system is the only solution, keep it simple and persona, do whatever you want by/with yourself without dictating others what to do with their religion. If we are able to do that, trust me unhealthy obsesion and extremism in religion will die by itself. Take the example of Turkey, i think we need to follow their suite in dealing with religion if we ever want to have success.

Who is asking you to compkletely reject hadith, you can look for wudoo or namaaz(btw, they're both there in the quran too, where do u think the shias got theirs?) BUT DONT FORCE THE BARBARIC HADITH LAWS ON EVERYONE.

 

[tamsel]

i am atheist.i dont know how people belive in god.is there any rationalist leader in pakistan? sometimes i want to become atheist terrorist bombing all religious institution just like religious terrorist.but my conscience says as human i cant do it.i really hate god if i am happend to meet him i will crush him.sonofbich

 

[Uchiha]

i am atheist.i dont know how people belive in god.is there any rationalist leader in pakistan? sometimes i want to become atheist terrorist bombing all religious institution just like religious terrorist.but my conscience says as human i cant do it.i really hate god if i am happend to meet him i will crush him.sonofbich

So profound. So tell me how it feels to be so enlightened? *sarcasm*

 

[Raja.Pakistani]

Ever heard of something called a dictionary?
The Quranic Arabic Corpus - Word by Word Grammar, Syntax and Morphology of the Holy Quran
The Quranic Arabic Corpus - Word by Word Grammar, Syntax and Morphology of the Holy Quran
Also see the other links, and trust me, u wont need any scholars

lol and who composed this dictionary for you? scholar? layman?

You guys have no clue what you are talking about. Even if you like S19 consider Quran a simple book of literature but still we rely on teacher to explain literature(urdu/English)

 

[tamsel]

belive in universal brotherhood.i asking belivers this question.
how do you know there is god? who told you there is god?
those belivers i call you "sellfish cruelly"