Why are we so adamant in our support for Palestine when they themselves support India against us?

[Azadkashmir]

Yahoodi sazish.

i wish it was.

 

[Naofumi]

China makes the same mistake as Pakistan. They condemn Israel for the Palestinians.

Israel has military, economic and technological cooperation. China should not say anything that affects relations between the two countries.

China has recognised them and have active relations, the anti-Semitism in Pakistan can't be compared to the stand of China.

 

[Cliftonite]

there were in Russia and they killed the czar and millions of Russians, they were comfortable in german they sold her out, they were taken in by the sultan and then they overthrow him, taking Jerusalem, they were in the USA as a golden child and look what fifth and bankrupt state USA us in. you want to recognise Israel, hoping they might throw your more rupees, however this whore will devour you have you forgotten about india and israel ties. east India company - david sassoons.

You've basically paraphrasing Protocols of the Elders of Zion. Old antisemitic tropes which Arabs coopted.

 

[Azadkashmir]

You've basically paraphrasing Protocols of the Elders of Zion. Old antisemitic tropes which Arabs coopted.

nope Talmud my son read their literature. The protocols is genuine they didn't deny it they just said its forgery meaning a copy of the original.

The day Pakistan recognises Israel she will lose her soul.

 

[Naofumi]

The day Pakistan recognises Israel she will lose her soul.

Pakistan's soul is it's people, anything should be done for the betterment of people.

 

[Cliftonite]

nope Talmud my son read their literature. The protocols is genuine they didn't deny it they just said its forgery meaning a copy of the original.

The day Pakistan recognises Israel she will lose her soul.

Why hasn't Egypt or Turkey lost it's soul?

 

[Naram_Sin]

It seems there is a feeling of guilt endured by some for seeking normalization with Israel, this pushes for hating the source of said guilt, which would be Arabs and palestine.

This wierd premise that hating jews necissates loving Arabs and vice versa is, from a rational point of view, simply wrong.

You can have normal relations with Israel and with Arabs, it should not be any one extreme, however I would urge you to be careful what you wish for gentelmen, Satan always takes more than that which he gives.

 

[Cliftonite]

It seems there is a feeling of guilt endured by some for seeking normalization with Israel, this pushes for hating the source of said guilt, which would be Arabs and palestine.

This wierd premise that hating jews necissates loving Arabs and vice versa is, from a rational point of view, simply wrong.

You can have normal relations with Israel and with Arabs, it should not be any one extreme, However I would urge you to be careful what you wish for gentelmen, Satan always takes more than that which he gives.

Relax. Right now it's Iran that's guilty of killing innocent Muslims in Syria. Introspect.

 

[OldenWisdom...قول بزرگ]

Newsflah. PLO is not imported from Papua New Guinea. It is a native, local popular, dominant, with majority support of the Palestinian people. Yasser Arafat remains the most popular and iconic leader to Palestinians like we have Jinnah. So that secularism is genus of the Palestinian people and NOT a American or Yehoodi sazish.

Keep your newsflash! You're basically a potty mouth caricature of uncle shady... PLO is reminiscent of Arab nationalism... coming out of the bowels of pan arabism in Cairo, Beirut and Damascus ... Fatah of Yasser Arafat was only one of the factions... it's popularity stemmed from active resistance against Israel and for Palestinian liberation. As long as Fatah remained active in resistance, other more religious outfits found less space to maneuver or outright takeover the struggle. As both the first and second intifada were carried out by Fatah, foremost. Now do your homework, I hate to spoon feed!

 

[Azadkashmir]

Why hasn't Egypt or Turkey lost it's soul?

they have, this lot are humiliated left right centre. no honour. Israel attacked Turkish civilians on that ship nothing happen.
Erdogan doesn't count he just plays on the ppls emotion.

 

[Naofumi]

It seems there is a feeling of guilt by some for seeking normalization with Israel, this pushes for hating the source of said guilt, which would be Arabs and palestine.

This wierd premise that hating jews necissates loving Arabs and vice versa is, from a rational point of view, simply wrong.

You can have normal relations with Israel and with Arabs, it should not be any one extreme, However I would urge you to be careful what you wish for gentelmen, Satan always takes more than that which he gives.

True bro but it's the direct result of mainstreamed anti-Semitism in Pakistani and even Indian Muslim society, anything bad is called Yahudi Sazish (Jewish conspiracy), what many of the liberal Pakistanis wish is simply the normalisation of Jews in the mainstream life and interest based foreign policy.

 

[TNT]

We have our own principles. Why should our policy be reactive to arabs or others? Our ally Turkey has relations with Israel but we wont. Why do we even need israel? They are already staunch indian allies.
I wonder why this one type of people in Pakistan keeps trying to talk to our emotional side and wants Pakistan to have realtions with indian allies like israel and iran?

 

[Imran Khan]

because we are shah se ziada shah ke wafadar

 

[Azadkashmir]

I won't recognise this state because the crimes these lot committed on humanity but got away due to usury power and media strength. but if you want to betray the quran that your choice.

Moustapha Al Akkad was a Syrian American film producer and director, best known for producing the original series of Halloween films and directing The Message and Lion of the Desert. He was killed along with his daughter Rima Al Akkad Monla in the 2005 Amman bombings. who do you think is behind it? take a guess.

 

[CriticalThinker02]

I don't think it has anything to do with the Arabs or Turks and us following their lead, because both the GCC and the Turks are improving their relationship with Israel. The Turks have historically had a strong relationship with Israel that went downhill in recent years. Given the degree of support Turkey has among Pakistanis, your line of argument would imply that support for normalizing Pakistan's relationship with Israel should be pretty high.

Iran in fact is the country most vehemently opposed to Israel in the region and has been actively supporting Hamas and Hezbollah against Israel, and Iran's popularity in Pakistan keeps shrinking (for various reasons).

I think the issue is simply one of the rabble rousing religious right in Pakistan hijacking the issue and exploiting & exacerbating existing antisemitism in conjunction with the 'support the Muslim Ummah' sentiment in Pakistani society - a job made easier by Israel's own brutal and repressive policies and the easy availability of images and videos.

The militantly vehement opposition to Pakistan normalizing relations with Israel has some parallels to other issues such as reforming blasphemy laws and the Ahmadi community - Pakistanis (or at least the more vocal segments) seem to take far more hardline positions on certain religious issues than people in other countries.

I think it's a very simple answer, majority of the Pakistanis are not aware of the back stabbing the Arabs usually do and use the Muslim brother-hood card when it only serves their own interest and kick the bucket when it doesn't, majority of the Pakistanis feel that Muslim Brotherhood is as extremely prevalent in Arab societies as it is within theirs plus as you mentioned the hardline approach that Israelis take in dealing with Palestinians, the combination of the first two misconception and reality of the third results in an extremely pro Palestinian view to such an extend that we would adamantly adhere to that view even if it harms our own self interest, besides I am not even interested in having "relations" with Israel, the main problem I am interested in is dealing with the Arabs, talking and exploiting them as they exploit us without the Muslim Brotherhood card in play because frankly there isn't any brotherhood here.

To an extend the Arabs are aware of this and try to exploit it as much as possible, Muslim identity is a strong weapon we just need to learn to differentiate the real Muslims from the fake ones example from Turkey compared to the Arab nations.

I think we need to understand that world is not in just black and white and foreign policy cannot work like this "with with them or with us". We don't need to make our foreign policy with Indian lens. Foreign relations should be based on multiple mutual interests instead of focusing on only one point. We can be good friends with one country which is good with our perceived enemy and this is the case world over.

Take an example of Iran who is friends with India who is friends with Israel while Iran has a shear animosity towards Israel and both engage in proxy wars. However you won't find Iran to be asking India to leave Israel and you won't find Israel saying the same to India about Iran.

This Indian-centric foreign policy has only hurt us and it has done nothing against India. We need to fight our case on our own without asking others to take a side.

I completely agree with you we should have foreign policy solely based on our own self interest, and it serves our interest better to have good relations with Israel instead of picking them as enemies and fighting someone else's war for them, exactly like what the Palestinians and the Arabs are doing we should do the same and this is the sole purpose of this thread.