Why are we so adamant in our support for Palestine when they themselves support India against us?

[peagle]

"We are supporting India in its fight against terrorism and because of that my government decided to directly call our ambassador to go back home, not to be Palestine ambassador to Pakistan anymore," Palestinian Ambassador to India Adnan Abu Al Haij said.

https://www.newsheads.in/world/news...Zr2HNlXuzcAl9lNS8yTey66yKWLCsG76ru1Uo806acEZQ

Let me get this straight, muslim countries like Jordan, Saudi Arabia and Egypt have diplomatic relations with Israel while we are one of the only few countries that do not even recognise Israel and for what?, Palestine supports India when it serves their interest, Saudi Arabia and UAE vetoes us in favor of India when it serves theirs while we are suppose to be good little muslims and support those who stab us in the back, harming our own self interest for them, why?

This is the most stupid diplomatic position in our history; we have lost out on so much because of these Arabs and Palestinians. We can and should still support the Palestinians but we could and should have relations with Israel as well.

Arabs are self-centered people who only care about themselves. We have to wake up and see them for what they are. If you compare the sufferings of Palestinians and Kashmiri’s, far more Kashmiri’s have been killed, but the Palestinians do not care, they only care about themselves, it is time to re-evaluate our policies.

Turkey has relations with Israel, but also fights for the Palestinian cause very effectively; I do not see why we can’t take that approach. It is time to recognize Israel and keep supporting the Palestinian cause at the same time.

Please wake up.

 

[BATMAN]

"We are supporting India in its fight against terrorism and because of that my government decided to directly call our ambassador to go back home, not to be Palestine ambassador to Pakistan anymore," Palestinian Ambassador to India Adnan Abu Al Haij said.

https://www.newsheads.in/world/news...Zr2HNlXuzcAl9lNS8yTey66yKWLCsG76ru1Uo806acEZQ

Let me get this straight, muslim countries like Jordan, Saudi Arabia and Egypt have diplomatic relations with Israel while we are one of the only few countries that do not even recognise Israel and for what?, Palestine supports India when it serves their interest, Saudi Arabia and UAE vetoes us in favor of India when it serves theirs while we are suppose to be good little muslims and support those who stab us in the back, harming our own self interest for them, why?

Pakistanis on pdf and social media and PM of Pakistan support Palestine not for sake of Palestine but they need reason to abuse Gulf countries, which is corner stone of Indian cold start.
Abusing pattern has been changed ever since Rahil Sharif became army chief.
Now officials are quite, but every now and than a new account is created, that account is start abusing Arabs for start, if lucky that account pull in some idiots but after a while another account is created and the abusing /cursing cycle never ends.
Indians on this forum are fully aligned with this scheme, because after all cold start is their policy.

 

[PradoTLC]

I have always been in support of the concept of Ummah. Its actually part of our faith. However, charity begins at home. Strengthen yourself to the point in every which way. Till then no need to jump up and down for these so called brothers. Get your house in order first. Ruthless action against the corrupt should be where it starts (wishful thinking I know). Actually this qoam has lost its ghairat both individually and collectively. False ghairat we got plenty of though. Anyway mind is getting worked up and I feel I am ranting now.

the concept of ummah applies to those who are actual muslims

palestianians are muslim by name only.

This is the most stupid diplomatic position in our history; we have lost out on so much because of these Arabs and Palestinians. We can and should still support the Palestinians but we could and should have relations with Israel as well.

Arabs are self-centered people who only care about themselves. We have to wake up and see them for what they are. If you compare the sufferings of Palestinians and Kashmiri’s, far more Kashmiri’s have been killed, but the Palestinians do not care, they only care about themselves, it is time to re-evaluate our policies.

Turkey has relations with Israel, but also fights for the Palestinian cause very effectively; I do not see why we can’t take that approach. It is time to recognize Israel and keep supporting the Palestinian cause at the same time.

Please wake up.

Reconizing israel will make no difference.

Wrong or right i Pakistan is only nation that israel actually fears but never talks about.

1) We have nukes
2) They think we are half crazy. we will not hesitate to deploy nuke weapons if deemed necessary. Even india would hesitate but Pakistan wont
3) We dont have fear. We are not affraid to take on nation many times our size, such india and for that matter even US.

it is time to re-evaluate our policies.

Apart from usual FM statement or UN votes Pakistan actually does very little for the Pallies.. (a good thing)

So we do the Islamic bear minimum and just verbally condemn and nothing else.

 

[Pan-Islamic-Pakistan]

"We are supporting India in its fight against terrorism and because of that my government decided to directly call our ambassador to go back home, not to be Palestine ambassador to Pakistan anymore," Palestinian Ambassador to India Adnan Abu Al Haij said.

https://www.newsheads.in/world/news...Zr2HNlXuzcAl9lNS8yTey66yKWLCsG76ru1Uo806acEZQ

Let me get this straight, muslim countries like Jordan, Saudi Arabia and Egypt have diplomatic relations with Israel while we are one of the only few countries that do not even recognise Israel and for what?, Palestine supports India when it serves their interest, Saudi Arabia and UAE vetoes us in favor of India when it serves theirs while we are suppose to be good little muslims and support those who stab us in the back, harming our own self interest for them, why?

PLO are traitors and have sold out the Palestinians. This should come as no surprise.

We should realize the difference between Palestinians and their sold leadership.

As someone with wide and divergent experiences with Arabs and knowledge of the Arabic language, I will tell you it is unfair to lump all Palestinians together.

Our loyalty stands with the oppressed and the downtrodden, not the PLO.

Ummah chummah. Palestines are like Afghans. They've screwed up every country they've been to. Just make peace with Israel and get it the f over with.

I guess this is the natural course of your way of thinking. Who in the world earns your acceptance, besides Pakistanis?

 

[Cliftonite]

I guess this is the natural course of your way of thinking. Who in the world earns your acceptance, besides Pakistanis?

Turkey, China. Countries loyal to Pakistan. Not backstabbers like Palestine.

 

[Pan-Islamic-Pakistan]

The Arab world recognises India even though the crimes they have committed against Kashmiri muslims is much worse, tell me I really want you to answer this question for me, are they not going against the Quran when they support India knowing full well the atrocities they have committed against Kashmiri Muslims? or are Kashmiri muslim lives not that important because they are not Arabs or Palestinians?

Arab leaders who have sold out their people, they are not our teachers.

Prophet Muhammad saws is our teacher. His message is forever, we must stand with oppressed in any circumstance, it doesn't matter.

Almost all the Arab countries have some kind of relations with Israel so tell me which Muslim countries actually support the Palestinian cause? and have you forgotten the Prophets saying that the blood of a Muslim is more sacred than even the Kaaba so tell me according to the Prophet SAW himself which is more sacred the Muslim blood spilled in the valleys of Kashmir and the criminal silence of the Arab nations because of it, if Pakistanis like you valued your own people more and had more self worth than maybe we would bargain with the Arabs better like for the territorial support of Saudi Arabia we want complete embargo on India and full economic support of Pakistan, if the Arabs can not even give this much knowing full well the Muslim blood the Neo Nazi RSS Bhagts have spilled than shame on us for even considering these fellow Arab "Muslims" as "brothers" or playing the Muslim Brotherhood mantra.

While the Messenger of Allah (peace and blessings be upon him) was performing tawaaf (circulating) the Holy Ka`ba, he said to it:
"How pure and good you are! how pure and good your fragrance is! how great and exalted you are! and how great and exalted your sanctity is! But by Him in Whose hand is Muhammad’s soul, the sanctity of a believer’s blood and property in the sight of Allah is greater than your sanctity!’“

The shame is theirs and not ours. We have always stayed loyal to the cause of Islam and Muslims. This is a period of fitnah, and things will be set right again, have faith.

If we make knee-jerk reactions, then we will be left without allies or friends. This is what India wants. We should figure out the bone India gave to the Palestinians and work out their game.

In our hearts, Al Aqsa is free. We will never tolerate foreign boots on our Holy Land. We will remember the blood of shuhada and the tears of mothers who lost their children.

Shame on all Israel supporters.

Because we are not beghairat like those Arabs and those Palestinians. They are humiliated today because they betrayed the Kalifah of Islam for the British.

Al Aqsa is holy to us, it is Qibla Awal. Our Prophet Muhammad pbuh taught us to love that land and to preserve it.

Before we are anything else we are followers of RasoolAllah saws.

Allah loves those who stand up to evil - wherever that evil is. Just next door to us Allah has blessed the Taliban with victory against the greatest military force in history. Have faith in Allah and stick to the right path.

If you equate your support for the liberation of Al Aqsa with some love of Arab nations then you are an idiot. It should come from love of Haq, love of the wishes of RasoolAllah.

Ameen brother. Voice of reason here.

@Falcon29 Thoughts on the thread, brother?

 

[peagle]

the concept of ummah applies to those who are actual muslims

palestianians are muslim by name only.




Reconizing israel will make no difference.

Wrong or right i Pakistan is only nation that israel actually fears but never talks about.

1) We have nukes
2) They think we are half crazy. we will not hesitate to deploy nuke weapons if deemed necessary. Even india would hesitate but Pakistan wont
3) We dont have fear. We are not affraid to take on nation many times our size, such india and for that matter even US.



Apart from usual FM statement or UN votes Pakistan actually does very little for the Pallies.. (a good thing)

So we do the Islamic bear minimum and just verbally condemn and nothing else.

For one I would rather be respected than feared, you get the same result without the insults.

Secondly, we do a lot more than make speeches, everything you do counts, it is not just about giving money. And, if as you say we do nothing then, its all the more important to stop this charade and recognize Israel. they will still fear us, and we can use this so-called fear to help find a solution for the people of Palestine.

Right now, because we do not recognize Israel we cannot encourage or push the second party, that's Israel, towards a solution. People tend to listen to their friends, not enemies, right now Israel has no reason to hear our voice, establishing links, gives us an avenue to talk.

 

[Pan-Islamic-Pakistan]

And, if as you say we do nothing then, its all the more important to stop this charade and recognize Israel.

It will never happen but let's entertain the consequences.

The day after recognition, a new TTP will emerge, probably also funded and supported by Israel and India.

This time they will have an even greater propaganda point that we have betrayed Islam and Muslims.

Our religiously conservative nation will go in open revolt. Masses of people will stage protests to bring down the government.

Iran and other nations will declare us as Israel collaborators, they will gain new impetus.

Taliban will become our open enemy. Probably Kashmiris will forget merging with us.

Whole of the Muslim world will treat us like a lost cause, similar to how Egypt is viewed today.

Pakistan will collapse from all these factors.

Alhamdulilah, you people are not the leaders of Pakistan, but Imran Khan is. He was quite open, "recognition of Israel is not even on the table."

 

[Naofumi]

Taliban will become our open enemy. Probably Kashmiris will forget merging with us.

@Cliftonite

 

[peagle]

It will never happen but let's entertain the consequences.

The day after recognition, a new TTP will emerge, probably also funded and supported by Israel and India.

This time they will have an even greater propaganda point that we have betrayed Islam and Muslims.

Our religiously conservative nation will go in open revolt. Masses of people will stage protests to bring down the government.

Iran and other nations will declare us as Israel collaborators, they will gain new impetus.

Taliban will become our open enemy. Probably Kashmiris will forget merging with us.

Whole of the Muslim world will treat us like a lost cause, similar to how Egypt is viewed today.

Pakistan will collapse from all these factors.

Alhamdulilah, you people are not the leaders of Pakistan, but Imran Khan is. He was quite open, "recognition of Israel is not even on the table."

Usually, I enjoy reading your posts and tend not to comment as I agree with most of what you have to say.
But, this time your hypothesis has gone into the realm of fantasy, fact-based analysis is always better than presenting worst-case scenarios and accepting them as the only outcome.

 

[Nadeem Ganjum]

We've been fed 70 years of anti semitic propaganda. It's going to take time to wean us off. But I bet you, our clergy will have a sudden change of heart once KSA religious authorities accept Israel. Mental ghulaami.

Can you give a few examples of the "Anti-Semitic" propaganda that was taught to Pakistanis?

 

[PradoTLC]

For one I would rather be respected than feared, you get the same result without the insults.

Good statement. Unfortunately the world doesnt work this way. But feel to give examples where it actually did work for our education

. People tend to listen to their friends, not enemies, right now Israel has no reason to hear our voice, establishing links, gives us an avenue to talk.

Since 1979 the first peace treaty has been signed by arabs.. tell how much listening Israel has done?

 

[Kabira]

Because arabs fund our mullahs. Not hard to understand why. Army/Zia fuc+++ Pakistan for good.

 

[Capt. Karnage]

What I think is pakistanis identify themselves with the Arabs and constantly seek their validation by trying to be even bigger muslims than they are. For this reason Pakistanis poke their nose in the affairs which don't have bearing on pakistani society.

 

[Surya 1]

The other question to be asked is how the love for Palestinians erupt all of sudden in Pakistan after Brigadier (At that time) killed 25000 Palestinians?