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The question came up in last episode of Question Time, there were interesting answers, but there is no pattern in behaviour that supports one hypothesis or another.
It would be interesting to know opinion of british residents of pdf.
 
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There are various reasons but I would put loss or not having a identity at the top. To call these people 'Brits' is in fact wrong unless the accident of birth location is the only definition of who you are.

To unravell the cause behind this you have to look deeper at who these 'Brit's are. Most definitly are not Johnny or Jane English. Most are second or third generation immigrants and within that group most are Pakistani. Other groups at risk I would say are Somali and now of course we had a Indian from Dewsbury.

I am going to look at the British Pakistani because they are the primary group that provides cannon fodder for these jihadi groups. We can safely exclude the 'disadvantaged' rubbish as the truth is most are 'advantaged' so economics is not a issue.

My belief is the major reason is lack of identity. Pakistani's as a whole have no identity, They are rootless. This is obvious to even a lay person. Take a drive down Stratford Rd, Birmingham which has huge Pakistani population. Mile after mile there are shops ( which blows the disadvantaged bull ) and not one and I mean one give away which community they service.

They have "Asian" bakers, "Halal" meat shops, "Indian" restaurents, "Dhesi" greengrocers", "Muslim" charity, "Islamic" fashions, "Apna" tailors. I know, you know, they know that they are just "Pak*" but by god they will use all manner of labels but conspicously avoid "Pakistan".

Compare this with other recent migrant groups. Comapred to Pakistani's these groups probably make less than 5% but I have seen "Latvian" sklep, "Slovak" and even "Kurdistan" when Kurdistan does not even exist. As regards people saying Pakistan is not used because of lack of differance between them and Indians. Oh yeh. Grab a Latvian, Estonian, Lithuanian and see if you can figure the differance. To my eyes there is non.

This lack of identity led to a one dimentional definition based on religion. As the second generation grew up in UK many struggled to accomodate with their surroundings. If they had a strong identity like Turks, Arabs, Iranians, Kurds, Malays they would have fallen back on that and created a hybrid hypenated "British Pakistani" like "British Turk".

Because this did not happen they fell back on religion. When this identity malaise was begining to become a issue amongst the British Pakistani dispora ( early to late 1980s) it so happened that political Islam was being harnessed at geopolitical level by USA/Pakistan/Saudia Arabia in order to defeat Soviet Union in Afghanistan. The structures being built to wage the jihadi war machine against Soviets were place in the Af-Pak region.

Those structures are still intact and are gerating a strain of virus that attaches to a host who has weak sense of identity. The result is mosques/madaris in UK almost all affliates of 'mother' oranizations back in Pakistan are busy filling the heads of rootless British Pakistani's. I have seen the ffects of this from early 1980s. If you look at community groups from early 1980s they would invariably be titled "British Pakistani". As a example not far from where I live there is a old community centre built in early 1980s. On the rusted gate is the "British Pakistan Community Centre" with union Jack and the green crescent and star.

This would be impossible today. Nowdays it would be titled "Islamic blah, blah" or some other Arabic title. By late 1980s the term "British Muslim" came into currency in particular the Rushdie affair gave the Mullah types a golden chance to consolidate their vision. Today the "British Muslim" is the standard qualfier for British Pakistani.

Everybody is is British hypenated "Kurd, Turk, Arab, Syrian but Pakistani's are "Muslim". This is a ridicalous marker of a non existan group. A Nigeran Muslim, a Malian Muslim, a Malay Muslim, a Bosnian Muslim or a Pakistani Muslim" have nothing in common. That would be like using "black hair" or "ginger hair" as markers like "British Ginger" or "British Blonde" or "British straight Black hair".

So when the identity of these second generation immigrants became "Muslim" it follows thay are going to start looking at the world through those spectacles. Result is any problems anywhere in any country with Muslims and these guy's are having sleepless nights because 'their brothers' are being done in. Some of them then of course go off to fight for their self identified Muslim cause. In short these guys have now contracted out to feel the pain of a diverse group of 1.3 billion people and off they go.

And just to test my theory why not check out the actuall background of these so called "Muslims". Most will turn out to be nothing but your plain Pakistani. Any exceptions will also have similar identity issues like Somali or Africans who struggle to figure out who they are. Very rarely will you find a Afghan, Turk, Iranian, Syrian or Iraqi although you would expect quite few of them because they are in line of direct fire.

Faisal Shazad is a typical example of what I am talking about. His father was a senior officer in Pakistan Airforce and Faisal enjoyed a upper middle class upbringing and look what he ened up doing.

Faisal Shahzad - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Ps. Dhesi I believe means "home" and Apna means "ours"

@Steve781
 
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The question came up in last episode of Question Time, there were interesting answers, but there is no pattern in behaviour that supports one hypothesis or another.
It would be interesting to know opinion of british residents of pdf.

Mate.. You reckon there is a youtube clip of this episode ? Would be interesting to watch
 
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Mate.. You reckon there is a youtube clip of this episode ? Would be interesting to watch
Its a panel show in which a balanced chosen audiance ask topical questions to a panel, I love the moderator of the debate (David Dimblebey, 76 years old). BBC does not allow iplayer outside UK, otherwise thats the best way to watch.
BBC One - Question Time
I cant find the 18 June episode which I am refering to on youtube. Search BBC question time after few days, you might get latest episode.
 
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simply because there is too much on thier butts . they never face hunger poverty or problems like other muslims
 
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How about mentally damaged as the west paints all the white criminals? :unsure:
What was the race and religion of that young guy Dylann roof who killed 6 women and 3 men in church in south carolina yesterday?

Did not see media attached his country, race or religion with his name the way they do with terrorist with Pakistani or Muslim background lol
 
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The question came up in last episode of Question Time, there were interesting answers, but there is no pattern in behaviour that supports one hypothesis or another.
It would be interesting to know opinion of british residents of pdf.


My guess would most of them come from families who are on benefits thus they have no need to provide at home therefore no responsibilities .. Young , unemployed & impressionable minds are perfect target for molvies to recruit.
 
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What was the race and religion of that young guy Dylann roof who killed 6 women and 3 men in church in south carolina yesterday?

Did not see media attached his country, race or religion with his name the way they do with terrorist with Pakistani or Muslim background lol
Yea I know I opened a thread on that :whistle:
 
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To unravell the cause behind this you have to look deeper at who these 'Brit's are. Most definitly are not Johnny or Jane English. Most are second or third generation immigrants and within that group most are Pakistani. Other groups at risk I would say are Somali and now of course we had a Indian from Dewsbury.
Most of these British people we hear about going to Syria aren't actually Pakistani.
Here's a list of British people that have died in Syria/Iraq: As you can see it's a hugely diverse group of people.
Which Brits have died fighting in Syria? - Telegraph
 
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What was the race and religion of that young guy Dylann roof who killed 6 women and 3 men in church in south carolina yesterday?

Did not see media attached his country, race or religion with his name the way they do with terrorist with Pakistani or Muslim background lol
because there is a well known pattern of racial attack in USA, predominantly done by white people. When white people kill black people, thats the first pattern that comes to mind even if it might be due to personal feud, drug deal gone wrong etc.
His race is important but religion is not. Is it not obvious?
 
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Most of these British people we hear about going to Syria aren't actually Pakistani.
Here's a list of British people that have died in Syria/Iraq: As you can see it's a hugely diverse group of people.
Which Brits have died fighting in Syria? - Telegraph
I was going to say that. We dont know whether they are mostly pakistani, we can guess they are mostly sunni as ISIS is sunni group. We know they tend to be young. I am guessing they are more connected (via internet) and know whats going on around the world. They are active on social media. Most of them I imagine are self radicalized, and not due to some crazy imam in a mosque.
 
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