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Who's the rogue superpower?


Here's something that probably won't shock you: I tend to agree with Paul Krugman more than I disagree with him. But not always. Case in point is his column last Sunday, which condemned China's hardline response to Japan's seizure of a Chinese trawler that had violated Japanese waters, and especially its decision to pressure Japan by cutting off the export of rare earth materials. He went on to criticize some other Chinese actions (including its chronically devalued currency), and said this added up to a picture of China as a "rogue economic superpower, unwilling to play by the rules."

I agree that China's overheated response to the trawler incident was foolish, if only because it will reinforce Asian concerns about China's rising power and make it more likely that other states will start taking concerted action to resist its influence. It's normal for great powers to throw their weight around -- if you don't believe me, just read a good history of U.S. relations with Latin America -- but doing so before one's power position is fully consolidated is a bad idea.

By the way, with the exception of the War of 1812, avoiding stupid quarrels with powerful countries was one of the smartest things that the United States did in its rise to superpower status. Not only did it avoid tangling with other major powers until after it had created the world's largest and most advanced economy, it also let the Eurasian powers bloody each other in ruinous wars, jumping in only when the balance of power was in jeopardy and leaving itself in a dominant position after both world wars (and especially WWII). This wasn't a perfect strategy, or even a noble one, but it was supremely self-interested approach that ensured U.S. primacy for decades.

If China's leaders are really smart, they'd act in a similar fashion today. They'd let the United States run itself to exhaustion in the Middle East, Central Asia, and elsewhere, while they stayed out of trouble, cultivated profitable relations with everyone, and made sure that their long-term development plans didn't get derailed. Picking fights with neighbors over minor issues is pointless, especially now, and on this point Krugman and I are in synch.

Where I part company is his characterization of China as a "rogue economic power," and his conclusion that "China's response to the trawler incident is… further evidence that the world's newest economic superpower isn't prepared to assume the responsibilities that go with that status."

For starters, this view assumes that China (or any other great power) has "responsibilities" to the global community. U.S. leaders like to proclaim that we have enormous "responsibilities" and "obligations" to the rest of the world, but this is usually just a phrase our leaders use to justify actions taken for our own (supposed) benefit. The leaders of any country are primarily responsible to their own citizens, which is why international cooperation is often elusive and why conflicts of interest routinely arise between sovereign states.

Moreover, the declaration that China is a rogue power that isn't "playing by the rules" neglects to mention that 1) many of these rules were devised by the United States and its allies and not by China, and 2) the United States has been all too willing to ignore the rules when it suited us. We went to war against Serbia in 1999 and against Iraq in 2003 without authorization from the U.N. Security Council, for example, even though we helped write the U.N. Charter that says such actions are illegal. Similarly, the US played the leading role in devising the Bretton Woods economic system after World War II, but it abandoned the gold standard in 1971 when this arrangement was no longer convenient for us.

The real lesson of the trawler/rare earth incident is that great powers can ignore the rules when they think they have to, and they can often get away with it. We should therefore expect China's leaders to pursue whatever policies they believe are in their interests, whether or not those policies are good for us, good for the planet as a whole, or consistent with some prior set of norms or rules.

Here's a penetrating leap into the obvious: sometimes China's interests will converge with ours; at other times, they will diverge sharply. Sometimes China's leaders will calculate their interests carefully and adopt smart policies for achieving them; at other times they will make costly blunders. Ditto their counterparts in Washington: sometimes U.S. leaders will act with insight and foresight and sometimes they will stumble headlong into disaster. Welcome to the real world. The bottom line is that it's neither illuminating nor helpful to hold China to a standard of "responsible" behavior that we fall short of ourselves. I mean, which country is currently detaining foreigners without trial in Guantanamo, and firing drone missiles into any country where it thinks al Qaeda might be lurking?
 
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Rare and Foolish

By PAUL KRUGMAN..

Last month a Chinese trawler operating in Japanese-controlled waters collided with two vessels of Japan’s Coast Guard. Japan detained the trawler’s captain; China responded by cutting off Japan’s access to crucial raw materials.And there was nowhere else to turn: China accounts for 97 percent of the world’s supply of rare earths, minerals that play an essential role in many high-technology products, including military equipment. Sure enough, Japan soon let the captain go.

I don’t know about you, but I find this story deeply disturbing, both for what it says about China and what it says about us. On one side, the affair highlights the fecklessness of U.S. policy makers, who did nothing while an unreliable regime acquired a stranglehold on key materials. On the other side, the incident shows a Chinese government that is dangerously trigger-happy, willing to wage economic warfare on the slightest provocation.

Some background: The rare earths are elements whose unique properties play a crucial role in applications ranging from hybrid motors to fiber optics. Until the mid-1980s the United States dominated production, but then China moved in.

“There is oil in the Middle East; there is rare earth in China,” declared Deng Xiaoping, the architect of China’s economic transformation, in 1992. Indeed, China has about a third of the world’s rare earth deposits. This relative abundance, combined with low extraction and processing costs — reflecting both low wages and weak environmental standards — allowed China’s producers to undercut the U.S. industry.

You really have to wonder why nobody raised an alarm while this was happening, if only on national security grounds. But policy makers simply stood by as the U.S. rare earth industry shut down. In at least one case, in 2003 — a time when, if you believed the Bush administration, considerations of national security governed every aspect of U.S. policy — the Chinese literally packed up all the equipment in a U.S. production facility and shipped it to China.

The result was a monopoly position exceeding the wildest dreams of Middle Eastern oil-fueled tyrants. And even before the trawler incident, China showed itself willing to exploit that monopoly to the fullest. The United Steelworkers recently filed a complaint against Chinese trade practices, stepping in where U.S. businesses fear to tread because they fear Chinese retaliation. The union put China’s imposition of export restrictions and taxes on rare earths — restrictions that give Chinese production in a number of industries an important competitive advantage — at the top of the list.

Then came the trawler event. Chinese restrictions on rare earth exports were already in violation of agreements China made before joining the World Trade Organization. But the embargo on rare earth exports to Japan was an even more blatant violation of international trade law.

Oh, and Chinese officials have not improved matters by insulting our intelligence, claiming that there was no official embargo. All of China’s rare earth exporters, they say — some of them foreign-owned — simultaneously decided to halt shipments because of their personal feelings toward Japan. Right.

So what are the lessons of the rare earth fracas?

First, and most obviously, the world needs to develop non-Chinese sources of these materials. There are extensive rare earth deposits in the United States and elsewhere. However, developing these deposits and the facilities to process the raw materials will take both time and financial support. So will a prominent alternative: “urban mining,” a k a recycling of rare earths and other materials from used electronic devices.

Second, China’s response to the trawler incident is, I’m sorry to say, further evidence that the world’s newest economic superpower isn’t prepared to assume the responsibilities that go with that status.

Major economic powers, realizing that they have an important stake in the international system, are normally very hesitant about resorting to economic warfare, even in the face of severe provocation — witness the way U.S. policy makers have agonized and temporized over what to do about China’s grossly protectionist exchange-rate policy. China, however, showed no hesitation at all about using its trade muscle to get its way in a political dispute, in clear — if denied — violation of international trade law.

Couple the rare earth story with China’s behavior on other fronts — the state subsidies that help firms gain key contracts, the pressure on foreign companies to move production to China and, above all, that exchange-rate policy — and what you have is a portrait of a rogue economic superpower, unwilling to play by the rules. And the question is what the rest of us are going to do about it.
 
The sun is setting on the US Empire just like it did last century on the British one.

British empire - rose 1840, consolidated 1857, greatest extent 1912, fell 1950.
US empire - rose 1945, consolidated 1975, greatest extent 1991, predicted fall 2030.
 
The sun is setting on the US Empire just like it did last century on the British one.

British empire - rose 1840, consolidated 1857, greatest extent 1912, fell 1950.
US empire - rose 1945, consolidated 1975, greatest extent 1991, predicted fall 2030.

You cannot compare the two powers. They are centuries apart, and this century is possibly of the greatest significance in Human history. The rapid advancements in science & technology have transformed everything. Numbers no longer matter as much they used to. What I know for sure is that USA will do everything it can to hold the biggest stick, even if that means cutting the other sticks.
 
The sun is setting on the US Empire just like it did last century on the British one.

British empire - rose 1840, consolidated 1857, greatest extent 1912, fell 1950.
US empire - rose 1945, consolidated 1975, greatest extent 1991, predicted fall 2030.
Really can u name me US colonies and dominions? By the way, gratest extent of British Empire was after WW1 and it still posess some oversea territories like Gibraltar.
 
Where I part company is his characterization of China as a "rogue economic power," and his conclusion that "China's response to the trawler incident is… further evidence that the world's newest economic superpower isn't prepared to assume the responsibilities that go with that status."

I agree with your analysis, I do not think China can be classified as a "rogue power" by any means.

Diplomatic noises aren't the same thing as actually attacking another nation.

If China wanted to attack someone, they would stay quiet, in order to gain the element of surprise. So in fact, "loud diplomacy" should actually make people feel safer.
 
just count the number of US bases outside of the US. see how they forced the Plaza Accords on Japan.
 
The only rouge power is USA as well the biggest nuclear proliferation agent.
 
In a way it is good, to be a superpower one has to get support of other countries. One cannot get support if you keep bossing around. China's attitude towards India is really stupid, they do not need Arnuchal Pradesh, neither do they care but still do not want to accept it. Also it does not matter to them what happens in Kashmir but they want to poke their nose.
 
Also it does not matter to them what happens in Kashmir but they want to poke their nose.

China holds around 20% of Kashmir territory in the form of Aksai Chin.

So it is hardly "poking our nose in", we've been involved since nearly the beginning.
 
China holds around 20% of Kashmir territory in the form of Aksai Chin.

So it is hardly "poking our nose in", we've been involved since nearly the beginning.

You're not involved in the religious/political aspect, also that area is largely uninhabited. I think GoI is going to to accept the aksai china claim, when there is political will

However if China becomes a 3rd party to the "Kashmir" dispute, it's going to create a shitstorm
 
You're not involved in the religious/political aspect, also that area is largely uninhabited. I think GoI is going to to accept the aksai china claim, when there is political will

True, Aksai Chin is virtually uninhabited...

It just makes me confused when many people think that Kashmir is a solely Indian/Pakistani dispute.

Anyway, if Aksai Chin is recognized as Chinese territory by the GoI, then China will no longer be involved in that dispute. I wonder what the political price for that will be...
 
Our response to the trawler incident is just a test to the country around China. I don't think it's foolish because Japanese authority is over-reacted firstly, as long as Japanese dare to show their power by seizing chinese captain, we will teach them a lesson to let them know who is the most powerful country in Asia,especially Japan is underdog of USA.

In fact, our South China Sea policy is really foolish...........
 
Our response to the trawler incident is just a test to the country around China. I don't think it's foolish because Japanese authority is over-reacted firstly, as long as Japanese dare to show their power by seizing chinese captain, we will teach them a lesson to let them know who is the most powerful country in Asia,especially Japan is underdog of USA.

In fact, our South China Sea policy is really foolish...........

You make some interesting points. :tup:

I wonder how the South China Sea issue will end up getting resolved, given the nature of all the claims.
 
You make some interesting points. :tup:

I wonder how the South China Sea issue will end up getting resolved, given the nature of all the claims.

We should have more flexible policy in South China Sea, to be honest, I don't think China has enough proof to claim all SCS region as Chinese territory, the only available way to solve this problrm is cooperating with ASEAN. Now western oil company is exploiting oil in that region, so why can't Chinese company replace their place to do this work? We have enough money & technology to exploit oil and share the profit with ASEAN, China can lead the anti-pirate action in SCS, etc, we can do many many things as a leader

不战而屈人之兵,攻心为上,这些老祖宗流传下来的政治智慧在现在的南海战略中是丝毫未见,反而是树敌无数,疲于奔命,愚蠢啊.....:disagree:
 

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