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white nationalist protest in Virginia leaves 1 person dead

Look at these typical white KKK supremacists! The horror!

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So? There are plenty of Arabs who serve in IDF to kill Arabs. Every nation has traitors. Germans have almost no traitors. That's why they are so powerful.


Don't be fooled by Trump. His real name is Trumpf. He is not English. He is German. Germans are the most racist smucks in the world.

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I'm not going to argue with that. They received the permit. They had the right to be there.
If the protesters didn't like that then they can take it up with the First Amendment.

However things got out of hand and the riot squad had to be sent in. No use crying to the cops about it and demand that you should be able to stay and fight it out. The only thing he accomplished with that stunt is to have a hard time getting a permit anywhere ever again.

This is how the next march permit process will go in a future town/city:

Richard Spencer: Hi I'd like a permit for a protest march

Town: Hey wait a minute...aren't you the idiot who was complaining to the riot police that you had a right to stay?? With all that stuff going down you didn't want to disperse so life and property could be spared violence?

Richard Spencer: Yep, that was me.

Town: Get the f*ck out of here...and never come back...you stupid sh*t!
Well, considering that the riot police were literally forcing them right into the very people who started lobbing bricks at them as soon as they stepped out of the rally area I'm not too sure that was such a great incentive to convince them to leave the park, knowing that he (Spencer) has received credible death threats and was even attacked in the past by these very people.

If you check some of the videos of the event the only way into the rally area was a narrow passage through the hostile crowd and for some odd reason, despite the large police presence, that entrance area was left unguarded, not even a barricade was placed there to prevent altercations which were bound to happen considering what I already said, and yet that was the main entry point through which they were supposed to pass through.

So I certainly don't think anyone planned to fight it out on the Alt-Right side, and most of their gear was legal and defensive in nature (shields, helmets, folding batons). They came their to give speeches and stand up for their heritage in a symbolic manner with all of the Confederate monuments being torn down all across the South..

However, the people who had no permit to assemble to begin with and who went out of their way to agitate and disrupt another groups lawful assembly clearly came with the intention of causing violence with their assortment of weapons like projectiles including cement filled water bottles, aerosol can flame throwers, Rocks, glass bottles filled with human excrement, knives etc... But somehow no police presence to restrain and crackdown on these agitators, thus leaving them open to getting plowed by a vehicle who's driver is said to have panicked after they began to lob objects at his car (some sources claim but let's wait and see).

Even if the situation was too much to control for the police presence, it still made no sense to force two opposing groups into one another, besides making the rally goers walk through a hostile crowd exposing them to pepper spray.

Of course, the Leftist MSM is pinning the blame on the one side that actually did it's best to adhere to the law (somehow they never did that to the left after the Houston cop shootings during the BLM riots, clearly shows these people are Political hacks).

But it's great to see that people are speaking out against the MSM lies:

 
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The victim woman is a 32 year old native of Charlottesville. The murderer is a 20 year old from Ohio.

 
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Drudge report and a few other mainstream conservative news outlets are reporting something closer to the truth.

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http://www.drudgereport.com/?sc=0.5


So the riot Cops force the Nationalist/patriotic groups out of the park and into the Communist agitators, and then stand on the sidelines as massive brawls ensue and people get injured.

Hmm, where have I seen that before? Ahh, yes, Berkeley this past April where the police were ordered to stand down by the city's Left wing mayor as Communist street thugs bashed people's heads with bike locks. Remember that?



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where the police were ordered to stand down by the city's Left wing mayor as Communist street thugs bashed people's heads with bike locks. Remember that?
Police were ordered to stand down? isn't that political interference?
 
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Certainly Rommel was in Libya and Egypt. Hitler had plans beyond just Europe. Certainly at the minimum oil was on his mind.

That was the best episode IMO. :-)

Well I don't follow it that closely (didn't watch it last night ) but I assume we'll be seeing her wounded dragon end up with blue eyes and then things will really get bad. It would probably be close to impossible to defeat. Sticking it full of huge ballista arrows will do nothing.
 
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TBH, it looked from the video that James Fields came down the road with an intention to run into the crowd. We don't really see any actions of people engulfing his car and threatening him, at least not in the videos we've seen so far. It looks a lot more deliberate and premeditated than in self defense, which I wouldn't have any issue with the latter, whatsoever. I see a bunch of loony-bins ganging up on my vehicle, you bet I'm plowing through whomever to get out of there before someone gets to me. But not sure that was the case here.

It's going to get much worst. Even if they stop issuing permits for protests, which they're bound to do with the way things are heating up and both sides lining up for more protests.

Trump's taking a beating today for defending "racist protesters" and his comments about George Washington and Thomas Jefferson being slave owners and are we going to take down their statues now.

Here's the conundrum; if you obviously believe in freedom of speech and the right to peacefully assemble and protest, that means even if these people are despicable racists, they have the right to be and to say it under the first amendment. The issue then becomes clearly obvious if and whether racism should be tolerated? How do you separate the two? And can you? More importantly should you?

Are we supposed to condemn the ideology that these people are promoting even if it is immoral, or are we supposed to tolerate it? This is where "freedom" gets a bit tangled up.​
 
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TBH, it looked from the video that James Fields came down the road with an intention to run into the crowd. We don't really see any actions of people engulfing his car and threatening him, at least not in the videos we've seen so far. It looks a lot more deliberate and premeditated than in self defense, which I wouldn't have any issue with the latter, whatsoever. I see a bunch of loony-bins ganging up on my vehicle, you bet I'm plowing through whomever to get out of there before someone gets to me. But not sure that was the case here.

It's going to get much worst. Even if they stop issuing permits for protests, which they're bound to do with the way things are heating up and both sides lining up for more protests.

Trump's taking a beating today for defending "racist protesters" and his comments about George Washington and Thomas Jefferson being slave owners and are we going to take down their statues now.

Here's the conundrum; if you obviously believe in freedom of speech and the right to peacefully assemble and protest, that means even if these people are despicable racists, they have the right to be and to say it under the first amendment. The issue then becomes clearly obvious if and whether racism should be tolerated? How do you separate the two? And can you? More importantly should you?

Are we supposed to condemn the ideology that these people are promoting even if it is immoral, or are we supposed to tolerate it? This is where "freedom" gets a bit tangled up.​
Well when you're driving right in the middle of a crowd of masked people carrying aluminum baseball bats and steel pipes you're gonna be on edge and try to get out of their ASAP, especially considering the driver was from the opposing side, which is clearly what happened in this case until one of the armed protesters took a swing at the vehicle causing the driver to accelerate.

As regards the issue of freedom of speech and racism, the problem here is groups like BLM labeling everything to do with American history as 'racist' and symbols of 'white supremacy' thus creating racial tension where there was none.

Therefore I believe Trump made an excellent point that will we now tear down and destroy everything to do with American history just because certain things happened that hurt the feelings of some people? Where will it end? And in the process they are swelling g the ranks of the so called 'neo-nazis' and 'white supremacists' bogeyman.
 
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As regards the issue of freedom of speech and racism, the problem here is groups like BLM labeling everything to do with American history as 'racist' and symbols of 'white supremacy' thus creating racial tension where there was none.

And BLM started with all the alleged police brutality which insinuated racism on the part of cops who were shooting and killing black people, never really giving credence to any potentially criminal element or culpability to these people getting shot, or cops being justified for following procedures. It's much more complicated than simply racism. But that doesn't mean that none of the actions of these cops weren't influenced by racism, either. It's a major problem.

Therefore I believe Trump made an excellent point that will we now tear down and destroy everything to do with American history just because certain things happened that hurt the feelings of some people? Where will it end?

As much as I criticize him for all the crazy things he's said and done so far, I can't say I disagree with him on this one. We've been consistent about that particular aspect since the start of this thread.
 
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Trump speaks badly of the alt left in presser today.

 
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And BLM started with all the alleged police brutality which insinuated racism on the part of cops who were shooting and killing black people, never really giving credence to any potentially criminal element or culpability to these people getting shot, or cops being justified for following procedures. It's much more complicated than simply racism. But that doesn't mean that none of the actions of these cops weren't influenced by racism, either. It's a major problem.
Certainly there are genuine grievances in the black community regarding police brutality, no doubt about that. But going from addressing police brutality to demanding that every trace of America's history be torn down because it's a reminder of 'Whiteness' de-legitimizes their cause in the eyes of many people and just makes them look like race baiters.


As much as I criticize him for all the crazy things he's said and done so far, I can't say I disagree with him on this one. We've been consistent about that particular aspect since the start of this thread.
Yes certainly.
 
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