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Which Nation Will Be The 4th To Join the Elite Club of Spacefaring Nations?


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Which Nation Will Be The 4th To Join the Elite Club of Spacefaring Nations?

If successful, it will join the U.S.S.R., the U.S. and China in the elite club of countries to achieve homegrown human spaceflight.

Please support your claim with substantiated evidence, no low IQ self-satisfactory wishful thinking.



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Claims for North Korea


Recently, North Korean official media have published an article relating the exploits of the legendary eighth-century great traveler, the Buddhist monk Hyecho from the Silla Kingdom of Korea.
The first ever Korean to have travel from Korea to Persia.



Hyecho and the «Memoir of the pilgrimage to the five kingdoms of India»

주체107(2018)년 12월 1일

Hyecho (704–787), 慧超, Sanskrit: Prajñāvikrama; pinyin: Hui Chao, was a Buddhist monk from Silla, one of the Three Kingdoms of Korea.

Hyecho studied esoteric Buddhism in Tang China, initially under Śubhakarasiṃha and then under the famous Indian monk Vajrabodhi who praised Hyecho as "one of six living persons who were well-trained in the five sections of the Buddhist canon."

On the advice of his Indian teachers in China, he set out for India in 723 to acquaint himself with the language and culture of the land of the Buddha.

During his journey to India, Hyecho wrote a travelogue in Chinese named Wang ocheonchukguk jeon (hanja: 往五天竺國傳) which means, "Memoir of the pilgrimage to the five kingdoms of India."

It is the first known overseas travelogue written in Chinese by a Korean and contains information about the political, cultural and economic customs of India and central Asia at that time. The five Indian kingdoms in the work's title refer to West, East, North, South and Central India. This scroll is estimated as the first East Asian travelogue to the Islamic world.

He went to the coastal countries and crossed Persia (Iran) to reach the region known as the Eastern Empire, before returning to China in the year 727.

Hyecho traveled most of his journey by road for several years, traveling a distance of about 10,000 km, recording in details his experiences.

It took Hyecho approximately four years to complete his journey. The travelogue contains much information on local diet, languages, climate, cultures, and political situations.

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▲ Hyejo's voyage, the first Korean in history to discover Persia.

http://www.dprktoday.com/index.php?type=2&no=35859

sg_north-korea_42.jpg

▲ Flashforward: Pyongyang No. 1 Senior-middle School, October 2017.

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▲ Flashforward: Pyongyang Munsu water Park, June 2017.

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▲ Official and ambitious goal of North Korea's space program, the exploitation of the lunar rare earths reserve.


Feasibility for North Korea

A suborbital manned flight may be attempted within six months from any civilian or military airfield, as the new civilian space launcher based on the Hwasong-15 intercontinental ballistic missile allows North Korea's NADA space agency, to conduct space launches without the need of any supporting space center, least from Sohae SLC currently under reconstruction.

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▲ Hwasong-15 ICBM.

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https://i.imgur.com/tlNwBlw.jpg
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Djb_NnzV4AEcLEO.jpg
https://twitter.com/isnjh/status/1024286771373199361?lang=fa
▲ Mobile civilian space launcher based on the Hwasong-15 ICBM.

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▲ North Korean Hwasong-15 reentry vehicle, U.S. Titan 2 Mk.6 reentry vehicle and Chinese FSW recoverable capsule.

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▲ North Korean Hwasong-15 reentry vehicle.

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▲ Irano-North Korean E1 suborbital space capsule: on the left, new model from 2016, on the right, old exhibition mockup from 2015.

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▲ New model of the Irano-North Korean E1 suborbital space capsule from 2016.



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India.

North Korea is going to lag a lot due to no outside support and financial/resource restraint.
So aint happening in this generation.
 
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Upcoming space launch...

By starting with an orbital launch attempt in 2022, only to avoid contempt in face of China's Shenzhou-5 outstanding achievement, and moreover with a multi-seaters mission, India has set the bar too high, thus leaving the fourth place as a spacefaring nation to North Korea! The DPRK's space agency NADA that is simply attempting a suborbital launch with a single astronaut might succeed within one year!

Indeed, neither the liquid propellant rocket needed to further test-launch the high altitude abort system of the Gaganyaan capsule nor the Indian orbital space launch vehicle are even built. On the countrary, the North Korean suborbital launcher has already been produced, only awaiting the order of Supreme Leader Kim Jong Un to be launched with a dummy! Just another hint leaked on February 6th, 2019, in the North Korean media, on the occasion of the North Korean New Year!

No need to add that India will only end up at the sixth place at best, even behind Iran's ISA, that uses the same technologies and hardwares as NADA, the Hwasong-15 SLV might in this case be replaced with a Safir-1 SLV.

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▲ 伊朗使者一号丁与印度载人飞船亚轨道合格性测试运载火箭相比。
Throttleable and Restartable Engine for Test Vehicle: ISRO's Qualification of Crew Escape System, only at the stage of PPT!


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▲ Artistic representation of the North Korean Unha launchers family, 2019.
NADA's Hardware ready suborbital launch vehicle.


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▲ The fourth place for NADA.

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▲ The fifth place for ISA.

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▲ Wei Qinru (PRC), PANG UNSIM (DPRK), Prateek YADAV IMM IGM (INDIA), respectively first, second anf third at the World Memory Championships 2018.


Analysis: Hint on the upcoming space launch

Following a previous picture revealing a Hwasong-15 SLV painted on a kid's kite, the latest image taken on 6 February 2019, during the North Korean New Year, shows another kite in the hand of a children, with a Unha-9 SLV, and not flying in the sky.
Only this time, the children are all jumping toward the sky, unmistakable reference to a manned spaceflight! Indeed, this only echoes a some ~30 years old painting of an astronaut rising to the sky, in the Samjiyon children's palace.

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https://c1.staticflickr.com/8/7832/32689838498_e0bb7e8046_b.jpg

Celebrating New Year's Day January 1 in various places -_3
https://www.flickr.com/photos/dprktoday/32689838498/
▲ January 1st 2019, New Year's Day, two flying kites with the new civilian space launcher based on the Hwasong-15 ICBM, have figured prominently! Uploaded on January 2, 2019

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▲ New representaion of a Unha-9 SLV painted on a kid's kite, on 6 February 2019, during the North Korean New Year.

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https://c1.staticflickr.com/8/7181/6929864706_0235211a2c_b.jpg

https://www.flickr.com/photos/mytripsmypics/6929864706/
▲ Astronaut rising to the sky, in a painting in Samjiyon children's palace, North Korea. Taken on May 5, 2010

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When is targeted launch date? KJU seems to have forgotten his country has a space program. No SLV launch since February 2016!



Commentary

From official North Korean sources, back in 2012, it was disclosed that the manned Unha-X launcher would have a mass of 400 tonnes.

Kwangmyongsong SLV (the 2016 Unha-4) can send a 1'000 kg payload to a 500 km LEO. The three stages Unha-9 SLV can send a 2 tonnes payload to a 500 km LEO.

With only 4 sets of 80 tonnes force Paektusan-1 engines, totalling a liftoff thrust of 320 tf, the two stages Unha-IX-E2 with a mass of 200 tonnes could only send a single seater E2 (Mallima-1B in Korean) manned capsule with a mass under two tonnes (~1'800kg) at some 250 km LEO altitude.

Note: E1 is the only known Persian designation for the suborbital one seater manned capsule. I called it Mallima-1A for more clarity. While the orbital version is called by Me "E2" or Mallima-1B, by analogy with the U.S.' Mercury-Redstone and Mercury-Atlas concept. Also following this logic, the Redstone would be replaced with a Safir-1D SLV in Iran and a Hwasong-15 SLV in North Korea for the suborbital mission.

With 4 additional strap-on boosters, increasing the liftoff thrust to 8x 80 tonnes force or 640 tonnes force, the 400 tonnes manned Unha-X-F1 can place a dual/three seaters F1 (Mallima-2 in Korean) spacecraft at some 350 km LEO.

Therefore the very ambitious North Korean space conquest plan started in 2017, to perform a spacewalk by 2022 will need at least 6 launches to ensure the reliability of the Unha-9 as a man-rated SLV.
  • Two Observation satellites
  • Two Communications satellites
  • One Lunar orbiter
  • One GEO satellite

Notice the lunar orbiter will precede the GEO satellite as explained below:

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1. Lunar gravity assist used to place North Korea's satellite into the GEO belt.


The suborbital part is only a speculation based on the Iranian plan. If it exist, then it should be conducted in parallel, as the launcher is not the Unha, sharing in common only the spacecapsule and the 10 astronauts selection.

India can never catch up with North Korea's 2022 spacewalk, as ISRO has not even considered this possibility, and time is running out.

As a last resort, only Modi Ji performing his famous Yogic Earth Rotation could snatch the 4th space superpower place from North Korea! :lol:

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Han Ho Seok's Progressive Discourse (241)

Han Ho Seok | tongil@tongilnews.com

Approval 2012.12.31 10:41:53

The fact that his remarks on the launch of manned spacewalk is not an exaggeration and can be seen from the scale of the facilities of the West Sea [Sohae] Satellites Launch Center. According to this reporter, the launch pad of the West Sea [Sohae] Satellites LC was designed to launch a 400 - ton ultra - large carrier rocket. In fact, the height of the launcher is more than 50m. He described it as a super large carrier rocket, but if it is a 400 ton class rocket, it is not a carrier rocket that carries satellites, but a carrier rocket that carries a manned spacecraft.

On April 12, 1961, the mass of the Soviet manned spacecraft Vostok 1, which flew to space with the first human Yuri Gagarin (1934-1968), was 5.9 t. And the two-stage carrier rocket of the Voskhod spacecraft that performed the first manned spacewalk was 30.84 meters long, the first stage diameter was 2.99 meters, and the mass 298.4 tons. This means that the Soviet Union developed a powerful rocket with a total mass of 304.3 tons, that could launched a manned spacecraft.

Kim Jong Un seems to include a plan to launch a manned spacewalk as well as a lunar exploration satellite in the chairman's first plan for space conquest. The model of the Unha-9 built next to the stage of the 2012.12.21 ballroom is not rocket model for manned space flight. Chairman Kim Jong Un will carry out a step-by-step implementation of the space conquest plan to launch a manned spacewalk on the new type of carrier rocket Unha-10, which is totally different from the Unha-9 model. It is to be realized in the future. In the 10 years period from 2012 to 2022.

http://www.tongilnews.com/news/articleView.html?idxno=101028

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2. The Unha-IXE2 launcher with the single seater capsule and the first North Korean spacewalk by 2022.

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3. The Unha-X launcher with the dual/three seaters spacecraft.

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4.Modi Ji Rotating The Earth, the only way to perform the first Indian spacewalk before North Korea by 2022!
:smokin:
 
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Commentary

From official North Korean sources, back in 2012, it was disclosed that the manned Unha-X launcher would have a mass of 400 tonnes.

Kwangmyongsong SLV (the 2016 Unha-4) can send a 1'000 kg payload to a 500 km LEO. The three stages Unha-9 SLV can send a 2 tonnes payload to a 500 km LEO.

With only 4 sets of 80 tonnes force Paektusan-1 engines, totalling a liftoff thrust of 320 tf, the two stages Unha-IX-E2 with a mass of 200 tonnes could only send a single seater E2 (Mallima-1B in Korean) manned capsule with a mass under two tonnes (~1'800kg) at some 250 km LEO altitude.

Note: E1 is the only known Persian designation for the suborbital one seater manned capsule. I called it Mallima-1A for more clarity. While the orbital version is called by Me "E2" or Mallima-1B, by analogy with the U.S.' Mercury-Redstone and Mercury-Atlas concept. Also following this logic, the Redstone would be replaced with a Safir-1D SLV in Iran and a Hwasong-15 SLV in North Korea for the suborbital mission.

With 4 additional strap-on boosters, increasing the liftoff thrust to 8x 80 tonnes force or 640 tonnes force, the 400 tonnes manned Unha-X-F1 can place a dual/three seaters F1 (Mallima-2 in Korean) spacecraft at some 350 km LEO.

Therefore the very ambitious North Korean space conquest plan started in 2017, to perform a spacewalk by 2022 will need at least 6 launches to ensure the reliability of the Unha-9 as a man-rated SLV.
  • Two Observation satellites
  • Two Communications satellites
  • One Lunar orbiter
  • One GEO satellite

Notice the lunar orbiter will precede the GEO satellite as explained below:

1hLylwc.jpg

1. Lunar gravity assist used to place North Korea's satellite into the GEO belt.


The suborbital part is only a speculation based on the Iranian plan. If it exist, then it should be conducted in parallel, as the launcher is not the Unha, sharing in common only the spacecapsule and the 10 astronauts selection.

India can never catch up with North Korea's 2022 spacewalk, as ISRO has not even considered this possibility, and time is running out.

As a last resort, only Modi Ji performing his famous Yogic Earth Rotation could snatch the 4th space superpower place from North Korea! :lol:

CrystalBall2.gif



Han Ho Seok's Progressive Discourse (241)

Han Ho Seok | tongil@tongilnews.com

Approval 2012.12.31 10:41:53

The fact that his remarks on the launch of manned spacewalk is not an exaggeration and can be seen from the scale of the facilities of the West Sea [Sohae] Satellites Launch Center. According to this reporter, the launch pad of the West Sea [Sohae] Satellites LC was designed to launch a 400 - ton ultra - large carrier rocket. In fact, the height of the launcher is more than 50m. He described it as a super large carrier rocket, but if it is a 400 ton class rocket, it is not a carrier rocket that carries satellites, but a carrier rocket that carries a manned spacecraft.

On April 12, 1961, the mass of the Soviet manned spacecraft Vostok 1, which flew to space with the first human Yuri Gagarin (1934-1968), was 5.9 t. And the two-stage carrier rocket of the Voskhod spacecraft that performed the first manned spacewalk was 30.84 meters long, the first stage diameter was 2.99 meters, and the mass 298.4 tons. This means that the Soviet Union developed a powerful rocket with a total mass of 304.3 tons, that could launched a manned spacecraft.

Kim Jong Un seems to include a plan to launch a manned spacewalk as well as a lunar exploration satellite in the chairman's first plan for space conquest. The model of the Unha-9 built next to the stage of the 2012.12.21 ballroom is not rocket model for manned space flight. Chairman Kim Jong Un will carry out a step-by-step implementation of the space conquest plan to launch a manned spacewalk on the new type of carrier rocket Unha-10, which is totally different from the Unha-9 model. It is to be realized in the future. In the 10 years period from 2012 to 2022.

http://www.tongilnews.com/news/articleView.html?idxno=101028

mju396F.jpg

2. The Unha-IXE2 launcher with the single seater capsule and the first North Korean spacewalk by 2022.

PpeqDJq.jpg

3. The Unha-X launcher with the dual/three seaters spacecraft.

DWiFJpb.jpg

4.Modi Ji Rotating The Earth, the only way to perform the first Indian spacewalk before North Korea by 2022!
:smokin:

It wouldn't surprise me at all if NK beat Iran and India into space.
The first Russian and US rockets were basically converted missiles.
 
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Which Nation Will Be The 4th To Join the Elite Club of Spacefaring Nations?

If successful, it will join the U.S.S.R., the U.S. and China in the elite club of countries to achieve homegrown human spaceflight.

Please support your claim with substantiated evidence, no low IQ self-satisfactory wishful thinking.



_________________________________


Claims for North Korea


Recently, North Korean official media have published an article relating the exploits of the legendary eighth-century great traveler, the Buddhist monk Hyecho from the Silla Kingdom of Korea.
The first ever Korean to have travel from Korea to Persia.



Hyecho and the «Memoir of the pilgrimage to the five kingdoms of India»

주체107(2018)년 12월 1일

Hyecho (704–787), 慧超, Sanskrit: Prajñāvikrama; pinyin: Hui Chao, was a Buddhist monk from Silla, one of the Three Kingdoms of Korea.

Hyecho studied esoteric Buddhism in Tang China, initially under Śubhakarasiṃha and then under the famous Indian monk Vajrabodhi who praised Hyecho as "one of six living persons who were well-trained in the five sections of the Buddhist canon."

On the advice of his Indian teachers in China, he set out for India in 723 to acquaint himself with the language and culture of the land of the Buddha.

During his journey to India, Hyecho wrote a travelogue in Chinese named Wang ocheonchukguk jeon (hanja: 往五天竺國傳) which means, "Memoir of the pilgrimage to the five kingdoms of India."

It is the first known overseas travelogue written in Chinese by a Korean and contains information about the political, cultural and economic customs of India and central Asia at that time. The five Indian kingdoms in the work's title refer to West, East, North, South and Central India. This scroll is estimated as the first East Asian travelogue to the Islamic world.

He went to the coastal countries and crossed Persia (Iran) to reach the region known as the Eastern Empire, before returning to China in the year 727.

Hyecho traveled most of his journey by road for several years, traveling a distance of about 10,000 km, recording in details his experiences.

It took Hyecho approximately four years to complete his journey. The travelogue contains much information on local diet, languages, climate, cultures, and political situations.

20181201-k6-01-1.jpg

▲ Hyejo's voyage, the first Korean in history to discover Persia.

http://www.dprktoday.com/index.php?type=2&no=35859

sg_north-korea_42.jpg

▲ Flashforward: Pyongyang No. 1 Senior-middle School, October 2017.

sg_north-korea_50.jpg

▲ Flashforward: Pyongyang Munsu water Park, June 2017.

north-korea-jpg.534357

▲ Official and ambitious goal of North Korea's space program, the exploitation of the lunar rare earths reserve.


Feasibility for North Korea

A suborbital manned flight may be attempted within six months from any civilian or military airfield, as the new civilian space launcher based on the Hwasong-15 intercontinental ballistic missile allows North Korea's NADA space agency, to conduct space launches without the need of any supporting space center, least from Sohae SLC currently under reconstruction.

2_281329.jpg

▲ Hwasong-15 ICBM.

tlNwBlw.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/tlNwBlw.jpg
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Djb_NnzV4AEcLEO.jpg
https://twitter.com/isnjh/status/1024286771373199361?lang=fa
▲ Mobile civilian space launcher based on the Hwasong-15 ICBM.

2_281529.jpg

▲ North Korean Hwasong-15 reentry vehicle, U.S. Titan 2 Mk.6 reentry vehicle and Chinese FSW recoverable capsule.

2_281429.jpg

▲ North Korean Hwasong-15 reentry vehicle.

LlVBSku.jpg

▲ Irano-North Korean E1 suborbital space capsule: on the left, new model from 2016, on the right, old exhibition mockup from 2015.

C8OmoBx.jpg

▲ New model of the Irano-North Korean E1 suborbital space capsule from 2016.



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You mean 5th to join. Japan is already a space power.

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H-2B - 8ton to GTO
 
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Kwangmyongsong SLV (the 2016 Unha-4) can send a 1'000 kg payload to a 500 km LEO. The three stages Unha-9 SLV can send a 2 tonnes payload to a 500 km LEO.

Bullshit. Unha-3 at best can only send 400kg into 500km LEO. Extensive delta-v calculations have already proved this. Unha-9 on the other hand if similar to Tskylon-3/4 will probably be able to orbit at least 4 tons not 2 as you have stated. I think NK should do 1-2 more Unha-3 launches before moving to operational SLV.

You mean 5th to join. Japan is already a space power.

Yes Japan is a space power with no manned capability and permanent lap dog of the US. Japan cannot become space power till their space program is indigenous not imported tech from the US.
 
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Yes Japan is a space power with no manned capability and permanent lap dog of the US. Japan cannot become space power till their space program is indigenous not imported tech from the US.

Credit should be given when due.
Which part of H-2B is not indigenous?
 
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