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The Pakistani Taliban and other groups turned Waziristan into a militant bastion

After years of reluctance, Pakistan's infantry and special services troops have finally moved into "militant central" - Miranshah in North Waziristan.

The town has served as the joint command-and-control centre of powerful local groups and their foreign allies in the tribal region, believed to be the last major militant sanctuary in the Afghanistan-Pakistan border region.

Troops moved in from a nearby garrison early on Monday following two weeks of aerial bombardment to soften militant targets ahead of the ground offensive. Officials had ordered the evacuation of nearly half a million people from the area to deprive the militants of "human shields".

So what have we discovered on day one of the ground offensive?

In the absence of the media, the only source of information is the military. It has reported the killing of some "militants" in a shootout, the discovery of some tunnels and a few factories that manufactured improvised explosive devices (IEDs).

But there is no word, for example, about the top- or mid-ranking leadership of the main groups that were entrenched in the area, such as the Pakistani Taliban (TTP), the Haqqani network, the many foreigners, or the three native Waziristan-based militant groups.

Recent evidence suggests that most of these groups have already left the regions around Miranshah and the other main town in North Waziristan, Mir Ali.

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Ground operations have been expected since the aerial bombardment began two weeks ago
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Nearly half a million people have moved out of North Waziristan
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The main market in Miranshah is seen shuttered during a curfew in mid-June
The most prominent among these are the Uzbek fighters allied to the TTP who claimed the 7 June assault on Karachi airport, and are believed by many to be one of the two major targets of the current operation, along with the TTP.

They are mostly believed to have slipped into Afghanistan's Khost province after Pakistani troops left a section of the border unmanned for a couple of weeks prior to the operation.

Others who might have pulled off a similar disappearing act are the Haqqani network's leaders. They have traditionally had sanctuaries in Khost as well as in Pakistan's Kurram tribal district and, despite official denials, are known to have enjoyed freedom of movement through security checkpoints in the region.

Waziristan's native Taliban and their Afghan allies still roam the vast Waziristan hinterland south and west of Miranshah. They are armed and mobile.

But their leaders - Hafiz Gul Bahadur, Bahawal Khan (alias Salahuddin Ayubi, who heads the group once led by Mullah Nazir), and Khan Said Sajna of the Mehsud faction (which has split from the TTP leadership) - have voiced no opposition to the Pakistani assault.

The Pakistani authorities, too, have not hinted that they might want to control all of this land, although they did carry out some air raids in the area possibly to hit some remnants of the TTP.

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There are also no boots on the ground in the Wana region of neighbouring South Waziristan, which is part of the extended Waziristan sanctuary.

So, the overall picture is one of a military ground assault which is taking place at a time when most of the apparent "adversaries" have disappeared from the scene.

Many of them are reported to have crossed into Afghanistan and may play a potentially destabilising role there once all Nato combat troops leave by the end of the year.

For many analysts this was not entirely unexpected.

Pakistan has long been accused by its critics of trying to control Afghanistan so as to prevent its arch-rival India from using that country to open up a "second front" against Pakistan.

Pakistan has been widely accused of using militant groups as proxies to control Afghanistan and destabilise India.

But since many Islamist militants now consider Pakistan itself to be a legitimate target, analysts say Pakistan may not want the Taliban to be ascendant in post-Nato Afghanistan.

They say for Pakistan, the current operation is more about pushing the militants into Afghanistan or scattering them across the countryside instead of outright eliminating them. They believe Pakistan may still need some of these groups as leverage in Afghanistan to check Indian influence.

So Pakistan's main objective at the moment appears to be to secure its border against a possible reverse flow of hostile groups from post-Nato Afghanistan.

But it is also trying to keep its options open - what it plans to do about those left on its soil remains to be seen.

BBC News - Where have all Pakistan's militants gone?

Any Comments...
 
This half hearted and limited act will only prove counter productive and come back to haunt.

pakistan is a more juicier target than afghanistan and the militants have tasted it.
 
We are doomed if we don't fight the TTP, we are doomed yet again if we do.

The best solution is to do whats best for bringing back peace in Pakistan.

Your solution is a deadly war against these guys. And not by infantry but by SSG units. Uniformed infantry will achieve nothing but expose your intel unit's plans out to sleeper cells and alert TTP. In that pic above where scores of men have lined up, How does an infantry know that none of them are working as sleeper cells for TTP? How can PA know that some of these, one of these or even all of these are not sympathetic to TTP?

It won't.

But a calculated action by the PA's SSG unit with intelligence from ISI and CAS from PAA will do wonders, hitting all the key points without harming the civilians.

If you don't do anything; you will collapse under constant terror attack; but if you go all out with full assault, you will at least instill fear into the hearts of TTP.
 
This half hearted and limited act will only prove counter productive and come back to haunt.

pakistan is a more juicier target than afghanistan and the militants have tasted it.

Yeah...sitting back in your home, you can only imagine that...!! I can't understand really...some of the Indian members were constantly questioning the intentions of Pakistan by not making the decision for operation in North Waziristan...Some of them are ignorantly accusing now for assaulting the civilian population of North Waziristan through Tanks, Air Crafts and other weapon systems....! And some like you have declared this massive military strike a half hearted limited action which is gonna be counter productive and bla bla bla...!! Stop acting like foolish butt hurt...! You can't just have some wet dreams by reading an article and than jump towards some conclusions...! Using entire military divisions with the help of gunships and fighter jets along with the drones and tanks is not a half hearted attempt...!! Pakistan army knows pretty well how to clear the areas as they have shown their skills with complete command and authority in very recent past...!!
 
Your solution is a deadly war against these guys. And not by infantry but by SSG units. Uniformed infantry will achieve nothing but expose your intel unit's plans out to sleeper cells and alert TTP. In that pic above where scores of men have lined up, How does an infantry know that none of them are working as sleeper cells for TTP? How can PA know that some of these, one of these or even all of these are not sympathetic to TTP?

It won't.

But a calculated action by the PA's SSG unit with intelligence from ISI and CAS from PAA will do wonders, hitting all the key points without harming the civilians.

If you don't do anything; you will collapse under constant terror attack; but if you go all out with full assault, you will at least instill fear into the hearts of TTP.


The men you see in the pics are IDPs ... Processed and than settled by the army in camps .. NADRA has processed their identities,native areas,blood group etc everything.. N on the basis of those ID cards they are issues money 40,000rs per family .. Residence etc.. For the militants the first came the bombardments than ground movements,raids etc.. Initially most killed bastards were foreigners .. The areas they have been entrenched in have been sealed .. Over 400 killed .. COAS met the afghan govt officials for action on their side..

P.S SSG is involved ..
 
Yeah...sitting back in your home, you can only imagine that...!! I can't understand really...some of the Indian members were constantly questioning the intentions of Pakistan by not making the decision for operation in North Waziristan...Some of them are ignorantly accusing now for assaulting the civilian population of North Waziristan through Tanks, Air Crafts and other weapon systems....! And some like you have declared this massive military strike a half hearted limited action which is gonna be counter productive and bla bla bla...!! Stop acting like foolish butt hurt...! You can't just have some wet dreams by reading an article and than jump towards some conclusions...! Using entire military divisions with the help of gunships and fighter jets along with the drones and tanks is not a half hearted attempt...!! Pakistan army knows pretty well how to clear the areas as they have shown their skills with complete command and authority in very recent past...!!

You were wildly oscillating between talks and operations for months, and even now, the stated objective is to go after only one group and allow the rest to find safe havens before moving in. This is a half hearted attempt. If the objective was to take out all armed extremist groups that act on their own and establish their own writ on territories they occupy then one can appreciate the effort as a turning point in Pakistan's policy.
 
Article is factually flawed, until the day before, Miranshah hadn't been opened and Mir Ali still hasn't been opened which is a major terrorist hub. Op so far has remained away from major population centers and has rather focused on the isolated hideouts and camps.
 
Can any Pakistani member answer, is it by design, that a portion of Afghan border was left unmanned for weeks before the operation, only so that today, Pakistani PR spokesperson can say how Afghanistan must hand over people hiding there.

Was it left open for friendlies, but Fazlullah got through as well? Was it open so that later the blame for it being unsuccessful can be cast on Afghanistan? Or perhaps, some unintentional export of the ones who would run from offensive to Afg.?

Don't take me the wrong way, i wish you all the best in this operation, but leaving the border open like this is negligence on epic scale. It either speaks volumes about the planning or lack there of, or speaks volumes about sincerity of this operation.
 
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We are doomed if we don't fight the TTP, we are doomed yet again if we do.
The best solution is to do whats best for bringing back peace in Pakistan.

In this present instance that seems to be: Waging War.

For now. Then later a re-construction and re-conciliation program will need to commence. Which will need sustained efforts by the Civilian Govt. overseen and protected by the Military Forces presence in the area on a continuing basis.
That may be the only way to find a sustainable long-term solution. No "quick-fixes" are likely.
 
Can any Pakistani member answer, is it by design, that a portion of Afghan border was left unmanned for weeks before the operation, only so that today, Pakistani PR spokesperson can say how Afghanistan must hand over people hiding there.

Was it left open for friendlies, but Fazlullah got through as well? Was it open so that later the blame for it being unsuccessful can be cast on Afghanistan? Or perhaps, some unintentional export of the ones who would run from offensive to Afg.?

Don't take me the wrong way, i wish you all the best in this operation, but leaving the border open like this is negligence on epic scale. It either speaks volumes about the planning or lack there of, or speaks volumes about sincerity of this operation.

War is never sincere.

NATO have been involved in Afghanistan theater for over 13 years and their gains don't extend much past Kabul. Its a pretty piss poor effort I have to say. Pak has taken the blowback from a botched job and you are questioning its by design?

Yes terrorist heads may well have slipped across border before the operation but whos to say this didn't happen 6 months ago and they preempted it?

PA has been given the objective of reconquering entire FATA and civilizing it. This begins with not allowing terrorists to operate from that area.

Its up to NATO and Afghan forces to follow up on the other side. Whether they are capable, that should be the question.
 
If the majority of them have moved into Afghanistan - great! That means the PA accomplished a significant part of its objectives with minimal casualties and expenditure of resources on her end. As the PA continues to move through NW, destroying militant hideouts, bomb factories and training centers, it will be denying said militants (even if alive in Afghanistan) the space necessary to recruit, train and generate resources. Yes, these same militants have multiple other sources of revenue, but the denial of space in NW will still be a significant set back.

There is the additional concern (justified, as seen by Mullah FM's relocation to, and rise in, Afghanistan) related to these militants "regrouping in Afghanistan", but that threat can be further minimized by stronger border enforcement and pressure on Afghanistan (and the US, that appears to be planning on maintaining a limited military presence in Afghanistan) to act against terrorist elements based in Afghanistan.
 
In this present instance that seems to be: Waging War.

For now. Then later a re-construction and re-conciliation program will need to commence. Which will need sustained efforts by the Civilian Govt. overseen and protected by the Military Forces presence in the area on a continuing basis.
That may be the only way to find a sustainable long-term solution. No "quick-fixes" are likely.


Pakistan army has had significant experience with civilian admn and infrastructure development.

Let them cleanup Muj and Talibs.

Construction of cantonment in NWA is planned already.

With military base, comes all kinds of development and pacification.

Peace
 
War is never sincere.

NATO have been involved in Afghanistan theater for over 13 years and their gains don't extend much past Kabul. Its a pretty piss poor effort I have to say. Pak has taken the blowback from a botched job and you are questioning its by design?

Yes terrorist heads may well have slipped across border before the operation but whos to say this didn't happen 6 months ago and they preempted it?

PA has been given the objective of reconquering entire FATA and civilizing it. This begins with not allowing terrorists to operate from that area.

Its up to NATO and Afghan forces to follow up on the other side. Whether they are capable, that should be the question.


Okay, more blaming the incapable NATO which for all it's shortcomings managed to secure elections with a vast turnout. I see. Best of luck with your efforts though. May Allah give you the wisdom to seal the box next time when you chase mice.

Needless to say, you haven't answered anything that i asked. It's just a poor attempt at deflection.
 
Can any Pakistani member answer, is it by design, that a portion of Afghan border was left unmanned for weeks before the operation, only so that today, Pakistani PR spokesperson can say how Afghanistan must hand over people hiding there.

Was it left open for friendlies, but Fazlullah got through as well? Was it open so that later the blame for it being unsuccessful can be cast on Afghanistan? Or perhaps, some unintentional export of the ones who would run from offensive to Afg.?

Don't take me the wrong way, i wish you all the best in this operation, but leaving the border open like this is negligence on epic scale. It either speaks volumes about the planning or lack there of, or speaks volumes about sincerity of this operation.


Only thing that speaks volumes is your ignorance about terrain.

Here is map of N.Waziristan. Observe it in Satellite mode, than terrain mode to decide weather the mountains and summits that form border b/w N.Waziristan and afghanistan can be secured and movement can be stopped completely

Operation Zarb-e-Azb
 

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