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When did the number of Jews murdered by the Nazis become well known at 6 million?

For those like @Hassan Al-Somal claim that they have no opinion whether the Holocaust occured, while at the same time show extremism hatred against Jews.

When did the number of Jews murdered by the Nazis become well known at 6 million?



Contrary to popular belief this has nothing to do with Nazi records. There is this “half-myth” that floats around that the Nazis were great record keepers and thanks to these records we can accurately identify the number of Jews who were murdered in the Holocaust. This is inaccurate.

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To be clear the Nazis were great record keepers when they wanted to be. When it came to government administration, military accounting, and economic output the Nazis kept fantastic records. Moreover, many Nazi Generals survived the war and wrote extensively about their experiences before and during the war.

When it comes to the Holocaust we do have source documents that prove a lot and these documents are beyond valuable. They are exceedingly rare though and there isn’t a master list or anything like that. There is a good reason for this though.

As WW2 got going Hitler personally ordered the extermination of disabled persons in the infamous “Aktion T4”. This included a signed order from Hitler to identify, round up, and exterminate all disabled persons. There was an immediate response from the German people and the international community. So Hitler publically backtraced and canceled the order while continuing the extermination in secret. Protesting families were told that their loved ones were being transported to hospitals when really they were killed in the very vans that were supposed to take them there (the Nazis used gas vans as well as gas chambers).

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Hitler was thus never going to sign an order to kill all the Jews nor would anyone else. The entire SS high command was very hush-hush about the whole thing. They used code words, destroyed documents, bug up mass graves to burn the bodies, and very secretly went about their evil work.

There was never a list of all the Jews the Nazis killed. There were not even lists for individual concentration camps. In rare instances, we have records that show how many death certificates were sent out by the Nazis or how many inmates in a camp had died but these records are incomplete. At Auschwitz for instance there is a book that records some 70,000 who had died in the camp but this list excludes the 900,000 who were killed in the gas chambers upon arrival and the other 120,000 that died in the death marches or from various acts of brutality.


So where do we get “6 million” from and when did we identify that number?

So to answer the question the first estimate of “6 million” came about in 1945. A top SS official named Dr. Wilhelm Hoettl stated under oath that Adolf Eichmann had reported 6 million Jews killed. This was the first estimate we really had and it was based just upon a single confession.

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Past that we have to turn to data to find the answer. Prior to WW2 various nations and groups collected census data as we do today. A few examples include

  1. The Jewish Almanac in 1938
  2. The German Minority Census of 1939
  3. The Polish census of 1939
  4. Census data from the USSR from 1933–1940
Thanks to this data we have some idea of how many Jewish were alive in 1939 both globally and in Europe. Roughly speaking there were about 9 to 9.5 million Jewish in Europe and 15.5 to 15.8 million globally.

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We then know that by the time the war ended there were only about 3.5 million Jews left in Europe and somewhere around 9 million left globally.


So we have a disparity here of about 6 million. The question is how many of these people died in the Holocaust and how many died from other causes? You have to factor in death rates, birth rates, and the effect WW2 had on those statistics.

This is why figures vary because it depends on how you factor in death rates, birth rates, and what census data you use. Some historians peg the number at 5.2 million others say it could be as high as 6.2 million. Sadly we won’t ever know.

When it comes to totaling up how many were killed at the various camps we are also having to infer a bit.

Take Treblinka, an extermination camp I studied extensively. Thanks to a report from Chief SS Statistician Richard Korherr and another Telegram from top SS Offical Herman Hofle we know 713,000 Jews had perished at Treblinka by the end of 1942. The two documents had identical statistics showing that there was data being collected and kept ultra-classified. This data was related to “Operation Reinhard” which was the operation of the extermination camps and the liquidation of many Ghettos in Eastern Europe.

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The problem is that Treblinka operated into 1943 too and no records exist from this year. This is where train station controller Franciszek Ząbecki comes into the picture. This guy ran a train station right by Treblinka and noticed that trains arrived full of Jews and departed empty. He figured out what was going on, joined the Polish Resistance, and started painstakingly recording every train arrival for posterity. He also smuggled out many “way bills” that show how many were on each train. Thanks to him we can estimate how many trains arrived in 1942 and 1943. We can then do some basic math to find out how many Jews on average were on each train and come to a total estimate of 800,000ish.

Why “ish”? Well because we cannot verify exactly how many people were on each train. In 1943 Treblinka slowed considerably and while we have some “way-bills” that confirm numbers it’s hard to take these at face value. So the best estimate is 850,000 give or take. We are 100% more than 712,000 were killed there but we cannot give an exact number. Franciszek Ząbecki for his part did his own calculations based on what he saw and recorded and estimated the total at over 1 million- and he could be right.

So obviously it’s all rather complex and it took lots of serious study and research to accurately identify the number of victims. However, the numbers we do have are 100% accurate and based on mountains of evidence.

  • We have confession from top SS officials, top Nazi officials, camp commandants, camp guards, Gestapo members, Einsatzgruppen (mobile killing squad) members, and even just low ranking SS guys
  • We have eye witness testimony from hundreds of thousands of people. Many were Sonderkommandos, which were Jews forced to work in the gas chambers. Others are Polish, Soviet, Greek, German, French, and Romani camp survivors. Some witnesses were even people who managed to escape the death camps during the revolts there.
  • Census data is beyond reproach considering we have multiple sources that are all relatively close in their estimates. There is variance but we are talking about a few percentage points. Both the Nazis and Jews showed there were 9 million Jews in Europe and after the war every census ever done (and there have been hundreds) all showed that the global Jewish population shrank around 6 million
  • We have some scattered documents that fill in the blanks. For instance the mobile killing squads neatly recorded every single massacre and sent these reports into Berlin for SS leaders to see. We have hundreds of these reports.
So the crux of the estimates is the census data. That gives us a ballpark. To back up the census data we have a few confessions but very little here because if there was a “master list” for all the Jews killed, it was destroyed. So with a ball park number in mind we turn to various witnesses, confessions, and a few crucial source documents to fill in the blanks.

Based on my studies here is where the poor souls who were murdered in the Holocaust died. These are just my estimates based on my studies and certainly this is not the end all be all of estimates- but it paints a picture.

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No. The modern leftists narrative presents them as some kind of peace-loving people,who never bothered anyone and they lived peacefully among each other with all their tribal ways and wisdom etc. And then the bad white people came and killed them all.

That's stuff only hippies,staunch anti-Western and kids believe.

There were tribes that were allied with the British and tribes allied with the French. Later with the Americans against other Indians. Just like when the Spanish and Portuguese first arrived in the New World. They had local allies,who were fighting against others who oppressed them.

You talk about Stalin and Hitler being European.

Ok,what about Genghis Khan and Mao? What about Pol Pot? Tamerlane? Attila?

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The point is...you have to stop this racist blaming.


This statement is extremely disturbing.

And if you hate the white man so much,why don't you live and go back to "peaceful" Asia?

no one gave the white man the moral right to decide who is right and who is wrong

if two brothers are fighting no white man can come along and claim they are fighting so he has right to kill both brothers

UK belongs to Asians we are going no where keep dreaming and keep crying, soon we will influence UK foreign policy

we built this country it belongs to us
 
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no one gave the white man the moral right to decide who is right and who is wrong

if two brothers are fighting no white man can come along and claim they are fighting so he has right to kill both brothers

UK belongs to Asians we are going no where keep dreaming and keep crying, soon we will influence UK foreign policy

we built this country it belongs to us
So you despise what they did,but you want to do the same.

Then you blame the Jews,because they do what was done to them.
 
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I don't care about native americans. Disease doesn't even matter and i think ur responding to someone else. The genocide, stealing their land, relocating them constantly and tearing up all the contracts year after year is why people complain about colonialism.
You were responding to me and probably didn't read the context. I don't blame China for COVID. Well, as long as they didn't make it in some lab.

I'm saying blaming the Europeans on the death of 65 million of the native Americans due to disease they spreaded.
 
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Asians used biowarfare way before that.
The difference is that it was ordered from the top instead of used by a few rogue elements.
Your ancestors are thus worse - according to your logic.
Yes yes...ofcourse.
You have no one as you were a test tube baby so jog on
 
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Legally my *** Muslims only arrived here when Muhammed conquered this land

no there is no such country called Israel

actually even old testate calls it Philistines

nation by the name of Israel never existed

I guess that is why after 75 years of occupation no one recognises you lot and you cant even walk down the street in Jerusalem without being stabbed

Who re malaka stole land and you say "you"? Me? Greeks? Old McDonald who had a farm?


its kind of confusing replying to Greek and Israeli flags at the same time! I can never tell which one is the terrorist and which one is Greek
 
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no there is no such country called Israel

actually even old testate calls it Philistines

nation by the name of Israel never existed

I guess that is why after 75 years of occupation no one recognises you lot and you cant even walk down the street in Jerusalem without being stabbed
Now you are disputing the Old Testament and by extension you are desputing the Qur'an as well.

its kind of confusing replying to Greek and Israeli flags at the same time! I can never tell which one is the terrorist and which one is Greek
If you don't want to be British,then what are you doing in Britain? Why? Because the paycheck and life is better compared to Pakistan?
 
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Now you are disputing the Old Testament and by extension you are desputing the Qur'an as well.


If you don't want to be British,then what are you doing in Britain? Why? Because the paycheck and life is better compared to Pakistan?

previous generations came to UK we are now 3rd generation British Asians, go back t where exactly ? UK is our home

maybe you should leave all the Turkish lands ?
 
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Even if it is not 6 million, there is no doubt that the Nazis murdered many Jews in the Holocaust.

What a horrible crime against humanity.

So much for being tolerant and being for minority rights and all that bullshit.
 
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previous generations came to UK we are now 3rd generation British Asians, go back t where exactly ? UK is our home

maybe you should leave all the Turkish lands ?
How exactly am I in "Turkish" lands?

Even if it is not 6 million, there is no doubt that the Nazis murdered many Jews in the Holocaust.

What a horrible crime against humanity.

So much for being tolerant and being for minority rights and all that bullshit.
Nazis weren't for minority rights. Unless they were German minorities 😋
 
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You were responding to me and probably didn't read the context. I don't blame China for COVID. Well, as long as they didn't make it in some lab.

I'm saying blaming the Europeans on the death of 65 million of the native Americans due to disease they spreaded.
If Covid was made in some lab, the death rate would be 50-90% per infection. far higher then the current death rate of around 0.01% which is extremely weak and ineffective.
 
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