uzair ramay
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3d vectoring thrust nozzle would b a great thing to add to thunder coz it will increase the manuverability of the aircraft.
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Lots of improvements are needed.
1)Increased range and payload
2)Incresed speed
3)Addition of atleast two more hard points
4)Increased service ceiling (coz no fighter in pak inventory is capable of going above 55000/60000 feet while india has mig 25 which can go way above that.As in the past india has conducted flyovers with mig25 and pak could not anything about it as pak also do not have high altitude air defence SAM`s).
Please tell me,Are these improvements not possible????????And iff possible then why not??????????
Every aircraft has inherent design limitations and beyond a certain limit additional improvements are not cost effective. JF-17 is a relatively inexpensive aircraft, I would like to keep it that way so that PAF can afford to acquire 200 or about 2 Naval plus 10 Airforce version squadrons.
In my humble opinion, all that is needed on block –II air frame is a western avionics suite similar to the one with Grippen before AESA or Mirage 2000-9 and a more powerful engine with additional 10 -15% thrust. This should enable Thunder bursts of speed higher than Mach 1 at Sea level with max speed of Mach 2. I would also like it to have a more potent gun (27 mm or 30 mm) to give better ground attack capability.
For deep interdiction and air superiority missions, one would need F1-6 and/ or J-20.
Well, the plane will "NEVER EVER BE " stealth no wonder how much lubricant (or composite) dream boys would put on the plane
A cow will be a cow
However what the JF17 Thunder could do is following
a) Get a better engine , the engine will naturally enhance performance and payload , more weapons could be carried
b) Alternatively if we can may be make our bombs and missiles which are lighter in weight that works as well
c) The Radar integration with SAAB or Chinese awacs could be enhanced
d) AESA integration would allow it to engage more "ENEMIES" as same time great feature achievable
e) Targeting POD could be enhanced with new POD for ground recon in future
But we can show make the cow , 200% even more lethal
Thanks for the informationHi,
Currently---india has no mig25's----
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It does not seem to be a money problem, it is more like waiting for something, like a Chinese engine, an AESA radar and/or many more tech to be readily available. PAF should know better if it has to wait six more month for something it wants in its JF-17 or not.Salam,
to all members, It's my first ever post on this forum.
I am not a professional but just an enthusiast with little knowledge, & I think what is seriously needed by JF-17 is some money to be put in to the project. Because even the block 2 is going to be with same RD-93 engine & pulse dopler radar. F-414 EPE would have been a perfect choice for engine & Chinese AESA radar was ready to be installed but both options required money which our policy makers weren't willing to pay.So this discussion in the first place is just a cave to dump our wishes in
We must not forget that if we increase weapons loaded to the aircraft; a more powerful engine is needed just to compensate for the additional weight. Else its performance such as acceleration and manoeuvrability is seriously compromised. I endorse Hon Mastan Khans’ post. Don’t try to make Thunder into something it was never meant to be. We need it to be light, agile and affordable.
Increase in loiter time will be thru aerial refuelling probe, already incorporated in Block 2. Additionally, all that is required is a slightly more powerful engine and a better avionics suite.
I will add one thing which is supercruise.
I have also read in an old article that After the first 100 JF-17, meaning that after block 2, all the next JF-17 blocks (3,4and5) will be stealth aircrafts that Pakistan and China were working on since the beginning of the program.?
Actually the US defines a 4.5 generation fighter, by an AESA radar, powerful data link, enhanced avionics and the ability to deploy current and future weapon systems.
So, if this is what makes a 4.5 generation aircraft, from an initial point of 4th generation aircrafts, than they are all being incorporated into the JF-17. I will add one thing which is supercruise.
I have also read in an old article that After the first 100 JF-17, meaning that after block 2, all the next JF-17 blocks (3,4and5) will be stealth aircrafts that Pakistan and China were working on since the beginning of the program.
Or will it be a co-production of the J-31, since I've seen in other articles that it will be operational in the next 2 to 3 years, which coincide with the end of production of the block 2; 2017.
The J-20 is also supposed to be available at that time, predicted by some Western experts in the military aviation field.
Any inputs and wish lists for the JF-7 block 2 and the stealth one afterwards, for stealth JF-17 or the J-31?