What would have happened had Soviets won in Afghanistan?

[Shamain]

USA would not have asked for Indian bases. The sole purpose of India from day one was to disintegrate Pakistan, they would have urged India to wage a war against Pakistan and given guarantee that USA wont interfere. So an Indian attack backed by Soviets would have meant Pakistan would have been wiped off. Then with clear ground they could have used any means to get weapons to mujahideens. Even if this was not possible they would have bombed Pakistan to get weapons in Afghanistan. Post 9/11 Pakistan gave a hint that they wont support USA in Afghanistan so in return George Bush said we would bomb Pakistan back to stone age and then attack Afghanistan through Pakistan.

Not happening. Again if india had attacked backed by soviet,it again would have been soviet occupying pakistan and taking over afghaistan, which again usa didnt want 2 see happening.

Secondly, china wudnt have sit silent if india had attacked. Cuz if u rem in 65 war , soviet and usa both had rush for the ceasefire, one fear was china jumping into it.(what i have read)

 

[jamahir]

Indians would have build more Consulates in Afghanistan

incorrect... afghanistan had a socialist/socialistic government then and indian national-governments have been capitalist/pro-nato since 1947.

in fact, a indian government envoy, m. k. bhadrakumar, met one of the taliban-like reactionaries, abdul sayyaf in 1993... from ( A kafir among the Wahhabis - Rediff.com India News )...

It was supposed to have been a 30-minute meeting. I had a simple message to deliver on behalf of the government and people of India -- 'India has friendly feelings toward all Mujahideen groups and antipathy toward none, and we deal with whichever government happens to be there in Kabul. We have infinite goodwill toward the people of Afghanistan who are our brothers and we will never ever interfere in their internal affairs.'

this article has had a pdf thread some years ago.

 

[TankMan]

false... take this from me... i am socialist.

You being a socialist doesn't change the fact that the Soviets provided very much military aid to India, in the form of MiGs, T-72 tanks and various APCs at bargain prices.

 

[nForce]

Lets say Pakistan didn't join the fight against Soviet Union and instead cut a deal to facilitate a successful colonization of Afghanistan. What would the landscape look like?

Would commies have stabbed Pakistan in the back and favored India or formed an alliance which would have meant no 9/11, no Osama Bin Laden, no TTP insurgency.

Interesting topic. Starting off at 50,000 ft level, Soviet Union disintegrated some time after they left Afghanistan. So it would have been free of Soviet control. I think Afghanistan anyways would have followed the same path, civil war and then someone coming to power.

 

[jamahir]

You being a socialist doesn't change the fact that the Soviets provided very much military aid to India, in the form of MiGs, T-72 tanks and various APCs at bargain prices.

so too the britishers, americans and the french provide aircraft carriers or planes or helicopters or other weaponary.

please consider the significance of the below... from ( Constitution of India - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia )...

The words "socialist" and "secular" were added to the definition in 1976 by the 42nd constitutional amendment (mini constitution)

Lets say Pakistan didn't join the fight against Soviet Union and instead cut a deal to facilitate a successful colonization of Afghanistan.

we must correct the basis.

1. afghanistan was already a socialist state and it was usa which launched a regime-change process to turn and colonize yet another progressive state.

2. pakistan establishment was not directly fighting ussr but rather fighting the legitimate government of afghanistan... a historic mistake.

 

[Aquib]

Well i don't know why Indians are so jealous of Pakistan whether if it is upper hand in Afghanistan or China Pakistan economic corridor. Every one in South Asia hates India even Sri Lankans

Pakistan will always have upper hand in Afghanistan coz of cultural infulence as there are more Pukhtuns in Pakistan then Afghanistan. So my dear indian fans don't be jealous if Germans and french can have peace then can't we

Indian is like the enlightened version of nazi Germany with extremist like Modi in India

 

[TankMan]

so too the britishers, americans and the french provide aircraft carriers or planes or helicopters or other weaponary.

Not as much as the Russians did. Not by far.

please consider the significance of the below... from ( Constitution of India - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia )...

Irrelevant. Words in the constitution have nothing to do with geopolitical alliances.

 

[jamahir]

Not as much as the Russians did. Not by far.

you should look at the list of ussr cosmonauts... some of them were from not-russia muslim republics.

also was the afghan cosmonaut, abdul ahad mohmand, who stayed in the mir space station in 1998... he was later awarded a high ussr prize for bravery whilst during his stay on mir.

Irrelevant. Words in the constitution have nothing to do with geopolitical alliances.

the form of the establishment and national government decides international and transnational alliances... didn't you read my post# 33 about a indian government envoy to a anti-socialist afghan warlord??

 

[A2Z]

Secondly, china wudnt have sit silent if india had attacked. Cuz if u rem in 65 war , soviet and usa both had rush for the ceasefire, one fear was china jumping into it.(what i have read)

I am not saying that this is something you have made up, but I don't believe this.

 

[Shamain]

I am not saying that this is something you have made up, but I don't believe this.

Ihad read it somewhre not sure too. But usa and ussr had rushed to stop the war, if iam not wrong. Tashkent agreement u know phir india ro bhi tau bohat raha tha 65 may plz war rukwa do ussr war rukwa do pakistan mujhay choray ga nahi.

 

[TankMan]

you should look at the list of ussr cosmonauts... some of them were from not-russia muslim republics.

also was the afghan cosmonaut, abdul ahad mohmand, who stayed in the mir space station in 1998... he was later awarded a high ussr prize for bravery whilst during his stay on mir.

Absolutely irrelevant. We're talking about Soviet military aid to India; not Muslim cosmonauts. You're dodging the argument.

By the way, Rakesh Sharma. Indian cosmonaut. Awarded Hero of The Soviet Union, the same prize as Abdul Ahad. There was one Afghan cosmonaut and one Indian one. Both won prizes.

It doesn't mean anything in this argument.

the form of the establishment and national government decides international and transnational alliances... didn't you read my post# 33 about a indian government envoy to a anti-socialist afghan warlord??

Interests always trump ''the form of establishment''. I read your post #32, and there you quoted an Indian government envoy, who said '''India has friendly feelings toward all Mujahideen groups and antipathy toward none,'' and '' We have infinite goodwill toward the people of Afghanistan who are our brothers and we will never ever interfere in their internal affairs.''

But India then contradicted both those positions. Political statements like those aren't meant to be taken seriously.

 

[jamahir]

But India then contradicted both those positions. Political statements like those aren't meant to be taken seriously.

ufff... contradiction how??

indian military participated on the nato/western-bloc side ( so-called uno side ) in the korea war ( 1950-53 )... indian army was asked by usa government and ready to send 17,000 soldiers to iraq in 2003 to engage in nato operations... fifty years, man !!!

combine this with the words of the envoy you just quoted and the posts i made... i don't know what else to say other than you are being stubborn for some reason i don't understand.

 

[Assange]

If soviet would have won in Afghan then the country called Pakistan would not have existed....