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What Trade War?: UK to Sell China ‘Unlimited’ Amount of Radar Tech, Hardware


22:59 11.11.2018(updated 02:03 12.11.2018)


A British defence company will supply an unlimited amount of equipment to China’s military, including airborne radar technology, according to insider information from Britain’s Department for International Trade.

Although the defence supplier has not yet been publicly identified, an ‘open individual export license' (OIEL) has been established since April, two months after British Prime Minister Theresa May visited Beijing, the South China Morning Post (SCMP) reported.


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Under the new agreement, the supplier will "export an unlimited quantity of goods," including equipment, components, software and technology for military radar systems. Past agreements between the nations had limited the amount and value of British weapon sales to China.

The equipment covered by the license includes "target acquisition, weapon control and countermeasure systems" for "aircraft, helicopters and drones," according to SCMP.

"It's potentially a big licence, and it does say the end user is the air force," Andrew Smith, a spokesperson for the London-based NGO Campaign Against Arms Trade, told the news organization.

Generally, open individual export licenses are valid between five and 10 years. However, "the values are never published, so the figure could be very high," Smith noted.

Even though Britain is an ally of the US, the deal implies that London will sell weapons to China, despite the ongoing trade war between Beijing and Washington.

The current trade war between the US and China escalated in June when US President Donald Trump slapped a 25 percent tariff on $50-billion worth of Chinese goods, with Beijing responding in kind. Trump accused China of "unfair trade," including alleged state-led efforts to steal US technology and intellectual property as well as "discriminatory technology licensing practices."

In September, Trump issued new tariffs on $200 billion in Chinese goods, prompting a tariff hike on $60 billion of American products from Beijing.

According to Li Bin, a senior fellow working in the Nuclear Policy Programme and Asia Programme at the Carnegie Endowment for International Peace at Tsinghua University in Beijing, China doubled its direct investment in Britain last year to more than $20 billion.

Last month, Hugh Griffiths, one of Britain's leading radar scientists and chairman of the Defence Science Expert Committee at the Ministry of Defence, was recognized by Beijing for his contributions to Chinese radar technology.

He was awarded the "Outstanding Award for Chinese Radar International Development" in front of more than 700 Chinese scientists at a conference in Nanjing, the capital of China's eastern Jiangsu province.

In addition, David Stupples, a British professor of electronic and radio systems at the University of London, told the SCMP that he was invited to lecture at the technical institute concerned with intelligence services in China.

"China has made tremendous progress in radar design over the past 10 years and must be considered in the [world's] top 10," he said, adding that China has demonstrated "expertise and ingenuity" in space-based radar systems, whereas the "UK is marginally ahead" in maritime and airborne applications.

According to Cao Yunhe, an award-winning military radar scientist at Xidian University in Xian, the capital of Shaanxi Province in central China, the export licence will boost China's military strength and radar research.

"If they are willing to sell we are willing to buy," he said.


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"We want to know how their systems operate. It will help us improve our own design," he added, cited by SCMP.

He noted, however, that the technology and equipment being sold by Britain would not be its most advanced.

"There will always be some restrictions. If not on quantity, then on quality," he observed.

Wang Tong, from Xidian University specializing in radar systems for China's military aircraft and satellites, noted that the information shared would be limited.
Britain shares much of its intelligence with the US, so China could not possibly allow British experts to get directly involved in its military radar program, he said.

"Sharing information about models and specifications is strictly prohibited. I believe both sides are fully aware of the consequences," Wang told the SCMP.

"Most of the time people are just talking about physics, mathematical models and new theories," he asserted.

https://sputniknews.com/military/20...hina-unlimited-amount-of-radar-tech-hardware/
 
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a) IIRC the (original) author runs the site "zerohedge" which is a complete nutter website

b) The story is total BS, if you know anything about the UK defence industry process.

Granting an export licence doesn't mean stuff sold - its a usual first step in the process to determine whether one may, theoretically be granted if the company wanted to bid on a contract. In reality, the moment they move to export, watch as it vanishes. After all the UK has had a partial arms embargo on China for decades.

The Chinese are on a charm offensive at the moment - that doesn't mean they're getting interesting British kit, nor does it mean anythings changed. A bunch of random things have been collected up into an article basically trying to get to 1 + 2 = 19.

@waz @jhungary @Vergennes @gambit @MilSpec
 
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a) IIRC the (original) author runs the site "zerohedge" which is a complete nutter website

b) The story is total BS, if you know anything about the UK defence industry process.

Granting an export licence doesn't mean stuff sold - its a usual first step in the process to determine whether one may, theoretically be granted if the company wanted to bid on a contract. In reality, the moment they move to export, watch as it vanishes. After all the UK has had a partial arms embargo on China for decades.

The Chinese are on a charm offensive at the moment - that doesn't mean they're getting interesting British kit, nor does it mean anythings changed. A bunch of random things have been collected up into an article basically trying to get to 1 + 2 = 19.

@waz @jhungary @Vergennes @gambit @MilSpec

https://www.gov.uk/guidance/arms-embargo-on-china
 
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Smart UK,try its best to grab the last barrel of gold from china in radar area
 
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a) IIRC the (original) author runs the site "zerohedge" which is a complete nutter website

b) The story is total BS, if you know anything about the UK defence industry process.

Granting an export licence doesn't mean stuff sold - its a usual first step in the process to determine whether one may, theoretically be granted if the company wanted to bid on a contract. In reality, the moment they move to export, watch as it vanishes. After all the UK has had a partial arms embargo on China for decades.

The Chinese are on a charm offensive at the moment - that doesn't mean they're getting interesting British kit, nor does it mean anythings changed. A bunch of random things have been collected up into an article basically trying to get to 1 + 2 = 19.

@waz @jhungary @Vergennes @gambit @MilSpec

First of all, Military Radar technology are controlled by ITAR, not UK ministry of Commerce (Which grant export licenses), if I have to guess, if this news is indeed have some truth in it, those "Radar" as a whole or as a component, would be civilian band radar (Like Air Traffic Control radar) offered by company such as Immersat or EaSAT, not military radar or "weapon" as the article so pointed out.

Second of all, this is very much expected, Chinese Civil Aviation technology is still very immature as oppose to their Military Aviation technology even then, it still have a long way to catch up with Big Name in Radar Technology (like Raytheon or NG) And we all know Chinese civil aviation capability is at the up, so they will need Radar system or component to upgrade or develop new airport, and currently, there are only 4 places you can shop these type of Radar, US, UK, Israel and Russia, 1 is US itself, 2 of them are close US allies and the last, well, you are basically making a gamble yourself, so where else will China get these type of Civilian Radar?
 
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First of all, Military Radar technology are controlled by ITAR, not UK ministry of Commerce (Which grant export licenses), if I have to guess, if this news is indeed have some truth in it, those "Radar" as a whole or as a component, would be civilian band radar (Like Air Traffic Control radar) offered by company such as Immersat or EaSAT, not military radar or "weapon" as the article so pointed out.

Second of all, this is very much expected, Chinese Civil Aviation technology is still very immature as oppose to their Military Aviation technology even then, it still have a long way to catch up with Big Name in Radar Technology (like Raytheon or NG) And we all know Chinese civil aviation capability is at the up, so they will need Radar system or component to upgrade or develop new airport, and currently, there are only 4 places you can shop these type of Radar, US, UK, Israel and Russia, 1 is US itself, 2 of them are close US allies and the last, well, you are basically making a gamble yourself, so where else will China get these type of Civilian Radar?

Who the hell is this seesonic guy following you around everywhere lol. You attract the weirdest ones my friend lol.

@waz check this thread derailer following jhungary around everywhere.
 
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Who the hell is this seesonic guy following you around everywhere lol. You attract the weirdest ones my friend lol.

@waz check this thread derailer following jhungary around everywhere.

I deleted his message. It's off-topic.
 
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China, Britain extend currency swap deal
Xinhua, November 13, 2018

China's central bank said on Monday that it has renewed an agreement on a reciprocal currency swap scheme with the Bank of England.

The maximum value of the swap was set at 350 billion yuan (around 50 billion U.S. dollars) to 40 billion pounds, valid for three years and can be further extended, according to a statement by the People's Bank of China (PBOC).

The PBOC said the deal aims to safeguard domestic financial stability.

The two sides signed the previous agreement in 2015.

http://www.china.org.cn/business/2018-11/13/content_72108373.htm
 
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Who the hell is this seesonic guy following you around everywhere lol. You attract the weirdest ones my friend lol.

@waz check this thread derailer following jhungary around everywhere.

Just a bug you don't need to worry about, when you are on this forum for a long time, you bound to piss off someone here. I am sure you have made some enemy too.

Almost all of the Chinese wannabe member don't like me, and he is probably one of them. But well, I didn't know I am that hated to have a dedicated groupie on my tail, I actually feel honoured. LOL

Anyway, forget about him, let's go back on the topics.
 
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No they don’t. Getting there or on par in some areas.
there is no equivalent British radars that can rival those are used on J-10C, J-16, J-16D, J-20, Kj-2000, Kj-500, 055 and 052D````time has passed but you still have that stereotype

anway we imported loads of commerical radars from the West, especially from Europe. And quite a few components for our latest radars (Russia does the same``````)
 
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England wants to buy Chinese army quantum radar for return if there is any meaning of this gesture,chinese radars are ahead of russians!

Chinese army: Soryy,not interested in buying england radars whatsoever!

if england wants to buy CH4 and Wing Loong UAV ,we are happy to discuss the details and freindship prices,well must be higher than that sold to pakistani bro for sure!
 
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