What the Indian space programme can teach the US

[shree835]

It is something Like
NASA Spent Millions to Develop a Pen that Would Write in Space, whereas the Soviet Cosmonauts Used a Pencil

 

[Alfa-Fighter]

Did you ever check if the discovery was of H2O? or something else?

lol...now thats come the denial .......

The CHACE payload in the lunar impactor (MIP) has directly detected water in its gaseous form along 14 degree E meridian from 45 degree N to 90 degree S latitude, with a latitudinal resolution of around 0.10 and altitudinal resolution of ~ 250 m from 98 km altitude till impact .

As water cannot retain its liquid phase in the lunar environment because of its own vapour pressure and the ultra-high vacuum prevailing there, it can be found in solid (ice) and gaseous (vapour) phases.

Goto that location on moon, you will find water.
Moon Impact Probe - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

MIP discovered water on moon before NASA's Moon Mineralogy Mapper. The announcement of this discovery was not made until NASA confirmed it.[

 

[Hamartia Antidote]

It is something Like
NASA Spent Millions to Develop a Pen that Would Write in Space, whereas the Soviet Cosmonauts Used a Pencil

snopes.com: NASA Space Pen

 

[Jlaw]

This has to be a joke right? What can India space program teach to US?

Nothing.

Don't forget your deep space monitoring of your Mars probe is conducted by NASA. Don't keep posting this, it makes you guys look stupid.

US does not need to keep costs low as India because they are many times wealthier than India.

 

[Alfa-Fighter]

This has to be a joke right? What can India space program teach to US?

Nothing.

Don't forget your deep space monitoring of your Mars probe is conducted by NASA. Don't keep posting this, it makes you guys look stupid.

US does not need to keep costs low as India because they are many times wealthier than India.

1) MIP India's find the presence of Water First time to the world, which US and china , didn't find it till now.
2) this article is from US and not from India.
3) Yes , India don't have Deep Space Single Sending Radar because India didn't need it as India not sending mission of MARS every month , so why waste money. This is exactly US is trying to tell.

Indian Mission find Water on moon despite NASA spending many USD on moon mission and cannot find water.

 

[anonymus]

It is something Like
NASA Spent Millions to Develop a Pen that Would Write in Space, whereas the Soviet Cosmonauts Used a Pencil

There were valid reasons for developing a Pen capable of writing in space rather than using a Pencil.

Pencil need to be sharpened and produce flammable waste and their lead is prone to breakage. They also emit powdered graphite when they are used on Paper which lingers in space station's air.Given these drawbacks, spending million dollar on technology which has civilian application and would recoup it's cost overtime.

Soviets use of Pencils was due to their tradition of not giving a flying fück for safety of users; a school of though which is dominant even in today's Russian engineering and was glaringly evident from Soyuz1 accident where Polit bureau launched that module even after technical committee pointed had out 203 structural problems.

Cosmonaut Crashed Into Earth 'Crying In Rage' : Krulwich Wonders... : NPR

 

[HariPrasad]

The purpose of India’s space programme is ‘the application of advanced technologies to the real problems of man and society’
By Adam Minter

NASA launched its own $671 million Mars probe days after the Indian one. Photo: ISRO​

What can the US space programme learn from the Indian one? Not much, if the standard is outer-space achievement. India’s modest record mostly includes feats the US accomplished decades ago.

But if the standard is having a clear vision of what you want to accomplish—and getting that done quickly and economically, there might be a lesson or two.

Consider the speech that India’s new Prime Minister, Narendra Modi, gave on Monday, shortly after India’s space programme successfully launched five satellites belonging to far wealthier countries on an Indian-designed rocket.

Combatting criticism that India’s space programme is a profligate waste when so many of the nation’s citizens struggle to fulfill basic needs, Modi offered a concise vision for why such launches are necessary:

Many misunderstand space technology to be for the elite. That it has nothing to do with the common man. I however believe such technology is fundamentally connected with the common man. As a change agent, it can empower and connect, to transform his life.

Modi spoke of space:

It drives our modern communication, connecting even the remotest family to the mainstream. It empowers the child in the farthest village with quality education, through long-distance learning. It ensures quality healthcare to the most distant person, through tele-medicine. It enables the youth in a small town, with various new job opportunities.

This is high-flying rhetoric, but what matters is how closely it hews to the original vision for the Indian Space Research Organisation (ISRO), established in 1969. On the ISRO website, Vikram Sarabhai, the physicist regarded as the patriarch of the space programme, is quoted dismissing the notion that India should compete with rich, developed countries to explore the moon and planets. Rather, the purpose of India’s space programme is “the application of advanced technologies to the real problems of man and society.”

It’s interesting to set that against the uncertain priorities of the US space programme since the end of the Apollo moon-landing program more than 40 years ago. President Richard Nixon’s space shuttle gave way to renewed visions of moon-landing under both Bush presidencies—and later to President Barack Obama scuttling a return to the moon and setting a long-term goal of reaching Mars via a series of steps beginning with a preposterous asteroid landing.

Meanwhile, expert committees appear with regularity, offering visions of exploration that are then ignored for lack of political consensus. (It’s worth noting that India’s Congress is more dysfunctional than the US’s, and yet it has remained consistent on its space objectives.)

To be sure, National Aeronautics and Space Administration (NASA) has accomplished a lot in the last 50 years, in spite of flighty, shifting priorities. But the absence of a national rationale for space exploration has resulted in a space programme that lacks clear direction and is hamstrung by an aging bureaucracy incapable of spending the agency’s considerable funding in a manner that satisfies anyone.

Contrast that with ISRO, whose low budgets and expectations, combined with a pragmatic, results-driven vision, have more than met its modest goals. (India’s programme has budget of approximately $1 billion, about 6% of NASA’s.) ISRO has launched communication and Earth-observing satellites on Indian-designed and -built rockets (that now serve commercial clients), thereby benefiting Modi’s common man and generating profits.

India’s space policymakers and scientists have—modestly—begun looking beyond Earth’s orbit. In 2008, they launched Chandrayaan-1, a lunar probe that, in line with Sarabhai’s vision, was focused on technology demonstration. More ambitiously, in 2013, the Indians launched their Mars orbiter mission which—if it succeeds—will allow India to beat out even China in becoming the first Asian nation to visit Mars.

What makes the Mars mission so compelling, aside from its origins, is the $75 million price tag— “less than the Hollywood movie Gravity,” as Modi noted on Monday —and the mere 18 months it took the engineers to design the vehicle and bring it to the launch pad. How did the Indians do it? The relatively low-tech effort benefitted from the mistakes and successes of the missions that preceded it, as well as the relatively low cost associated with hiring high-quality Indian engineers.

But the biggest advantage may have been a tolerance for risk that simply wouldn’t fly in the US space programme—which launched its own $671 million Mars probe days after the Indian one.

The Indians, rather than going the traditional route of building multiple models (including a spare) took a direct, go-for-broke route and built the final probe outright, skipping the other expensive, time-consuming (but risk-averting) steps. So far, that seems like a good gamble. But even if the probe fails, the Indians can claim that at least some of their technical goals were accomplished at a relatively cheap price.

Could NASA take similar risks? It would take a big cultural shift in an institution that does things such as building a multi-billion dollar rocket system that has no planned mission except, perhaps, as a jobs programme. Likewise, speeding up development and reducing costs like the Indians may be acceptable for robotic probes, but it’s simply not going to be acceptable for human space missions where lives are at stake.

For the foreseeable future, NASA will remain the world’s space leader, both in technology and funding. But the rise of India as a budget spacefaring nation suggests that the US may no longer be the most determined or ambitious. Certainly, NASA can’t—and probably shouldn’t—be like its Indian counterpart. But it can take inspiration from India’s bootstrap willingness to go where no Asian country has gone, and to do so with a clearly explained purpose, on a veritable shoestring. BLOOMBERG

What the Indian space programme can teach the US - Livemint
NASA Needs an Indian Tutorial - Bloomberg View

Couple of days back, I learn one american scientist saying that Indian Nuclear program is very much diverse and no program except that of russia can come even closer to Indian program. Now they praise Indian space program. This is actually very satisfying.

US can really learn from Indian GUJJU BHAI ( GUJRATI BANIYA ) how to save money.

Actually the father of Indian space program is a GUJJU BHAI (Gujarati Baniya). He was vikram sara bhai, The Guru of legendary Dr. APJ Abdul Kalam.

It is something Like
NASA Spent Millions to Develop a Pen that Would Write in Space, whereas the Soviet Cosmonauts Used a Pencil

Still Russia collapsed and reached to the threshold of Starvation and US kept getting wealthy.

 

[shree835]

Still Russia collapsed and reached to the threshold of Starvation and US kept getting wealthy.

Russia collapsed with different reason ... Here point is we have limited very limited Resource and Money and we have to perform... Here we cannot compare ISRO with USA's NASA.

 

[HariPrasad]

Main reason of collapsing was poor economic condition. We can certainly allocate more budget and get goodies in return from ISRO

 

[wolfschanzze]

It is something Like
NASA Spent Millions to Develop a Pen that Would Write in Space, whereas the Soviet Cosmonauts Used a Pencil

in the movie ending he comes up with a funny answer, what if the pencil pokes someones eye in space therefore the Space pen

 

[gslv mk3]

Even for this mission, data analysis was performed by NASA scientists.

No.The data from US instruments were analysed by NASA.MIP was however,Indian.

Did you ever check if the discovery was of H2O? or something else?

What was that supposed to mean ?

India had to rely on american deep space navigation for the their mission to mars .. lol .. how can they teach any thing to the US space program

Stupidity at its best.