What is the biggest threat to Pakistan?

[Pan-Islamic-Pakistan]

Whoa Whoa hold your horses there Iran is not part of this sectarian mess I know Pakistanis who are hardcore Sunni's will side with KSA got it but I am a Sunni and I support Iran you know why they are the least sectarian country in MENA at the moment all those sectarian mess is coming from the Gulf States not Iran,who funded the sectarian wars was it Iran or Saudi Arabia, Saudi Arabia did to counter Iran and to know tie with their Yank masters who pushes wahhabism Iran or Saudi Arabia.Saudi Arabia Is the root cause

Both are to blame. In Syria, it is Iran which is the oppressor. In Yemen, it is KSA.

Pakistan’s best course of action is to avoid the sectarian divide.

We don’t need to condone the behavior of or condone either KSA or Iran.

KSA’s recent actions like open Israeli ties and alliance with Trump, however, are indefensible and unjustifiable.

Iran’s involvement with India is worrisome and so is its past behavior in both Iraq and Afghanistan.

Please note the Turks, Mongols achievements are largely intrinsic to their cultures and not Islam. Both peoples had a penchant for war and conquest.

Under Islam, Turks and Mongols went from nomadic raiders and became an intrinsic part of Islamic and world civilization, and not only that, the flag-bearers and preachers of Islam .

If we read the poetry of, for example, Turkey’s national poet, Mehmet Akif Ersoy, we can see the strong association of Turks with the Islamic religion and its pride.

 

[Yankee-stani]

Both are to blame. In Syria, it is Iran which is the oppressor. In Yemen, it is KSA.

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Iran isnt doing any wrong in Syria they are attacking the ((FSA)) scums and yes I support Assad in Syria as he is the only Arab leader left who hasnt cucked out to Israel unlike most Arabs btw Hezbollah is doing things right in Lebanon I am biased because I am part Lebanese on my mom side

Both are to blame. In Syria, it is Iran which is the oppressor. In Yemen, it is KSA.

Pakistan’s best course of action is to avoid the sectarian divide.

KSA’s recent actions like open Israeli ties and alliance with Trump, however, are indefensible and unjustifiable.

Iran’s involvement with India is worrisome and so is its past behavior in both Iraq and Afghanistan.

It's all the Pakistani's fault for Iran having better ties with India the Iranians always handed a good hand but the Pakistanis pissed it on cause the leadership in Islamabad were too pro Saudi, I just hope IK manages to have good ties with the Iranians in the future and stop the sectarian madness from the religious parties

Both are to blame. In Syria, it is Iran which is the oppressor. In Yemen, it is KSA.

Iraq and Afghanistan.


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Well lets see in the 80s the Arabs got bought by the Yanks and killed thousands of Iranians cause the Saudis and their Yankee masters said "ebil Ayatollah" was coming again Arabs fault not Iran.Afghanistan is a s..it show tbh makes the Lebanese Civil War look like a picnic

 

[Indus Pakistan]

Under Islam, Turks and Mongols went from nomadic raiders and became an intrinsic part of Islamic and world civilization, and not only that, the flag-bearers and preachers of Islam .

If we read the poetry of, for example, Turkey’s national poet, Mehmet Akif Ersoy, we can see the strong association of Turks with the Islamic religion and its pride.

No doubt but the militaristic nature of Turks/Mongols predates Islam. Grey Wolves are a extreme presentation of that mythical past.

 

[Pan-Islamic-Pakistan]

Iran isnt doing any wrong in Syria they are attacking the ((FSA)) scums and yes I support Assad in Syria as he is the only Arab leader left who hasnt cucked out to Israel unlike most Arabs btw Hezbollah is doing things right in Lebanon I am biased because I am part Lebanese on my mom side

I can see your point of view. Being friends with many Syrians here in the US, I have to say that I don’t care about either FSA (Muslim Brotherhood,) Assad (atheist dictator masquerading as a Shia,) Iran sectarian policy, KSA Wahhabi sectarianism, or either US, Russia, or any other outside parties.

I only care about the Syrian people, especially Syrians facing genocide or becoming refugees by Assad and PKK.

The fact that 90% Syrians are Sunni Muslims vs Assad’s Alawite pseudo-Shia government is besides the main point.

 

[Yankee-stani]

I can see your point of view. Being friends with many Syrians here in the US, I have to say that I don’t care about either FSA (Muslim Brotherhood,) Assad (atheist dictator masquerading as a Shia,) Iran sectarian policy, KSA Wahhabi sectarianism, or either US, Russia, or any other outside parties.

I only care about the Syrian people, especially Syrians facing genocide or becoming refugees by Assad and PKK.

The fact that 90% Syrians are Sunni Muslims vs Assad’s Alawite pseudo-Shia government is besides the main point.

The geniocide bs is just a excuse by Western Govts to malign Syria and Iran plus being partial heritage I know many Syrians and Lebanese from all the political spectrum who support Assad , having some few friends in the diaspora does not mean they represent the Syrian nation just like some Balochi Nationalists or whatever BS MQM dingy cab driver in NYC cares he does not represent Pakistanis and the SAA has Sunnis in its ranks

becoming refugees by Assad and PKK.
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The PKK,PYD and PJAK whatever crap they are is all hated by Syria,Turkey,Iran and Iraq guess who supports them the Yanks and the Saudis under MBS most refugees have returned from Turkey and Lebanon in the last year

 

[Pan-Islamic-Pakistan]

It's all the Pakistani's fault for Iran having better ties with India the Iranians always handed a good hand but the Pakistanis pissed it on cause the leadership in Islamabad were too pro Saudi, I just hope IK manages to have good ties with the Iranians in the future and stop the sectarian madness from the religious parties

I agree with you on delinking our relationship with Iran from KSA or Wahabbis in Pakistan. Similarly to how our KSA policy is independent of Iran or Shias in Pakistan.

I blame our terrible previous governments for this, however Iran’s foreign policy is equally as paradoxical.

Tell me how much sense it makes for Iran to support Armenia against Shia Azerbaijan, Iraqi sectarian radicals like Sadr, and Northern Alliance backstabbers like Sheikh Rabbani and Ahmad Shah Masoud against Hekmatyar and Taleban in Afg? There are numerous other examples as well.

Well lets see in the 80s the Arabs got bought by the Yanks and killed thousands of Iranians cause the Saudis and their Yankee masters said "ebil Ayatollah" was coming again Arabs fault not Iran.Afghanistan is a s..it show tbh makes the Lebanese Civil War look like a picnic

Yes, this was totally wrong. Pakistan refused to join that Arab-backed Iraq-Iran war, and we supported Iran economically and on a humanitarian basis.

 

[Yankee-stani]

No doubt but the militaristic nature of Turks/Mongols predates Islam. Grey Wolves are a extreme presentation of that mythical past.

Grey Wolves are a Political party in Turkey

 

[Pan-Islamic-Pakistan]

The geniocide bs is just a excuse by Western Govts to malign Syria and Iran plus being partial heritage I know many Syrians and Lebanese from all the political spectrum who support Assad , having some few friends in the diaspora does not mean they represent the Syrian nation just like some Balochi Nationalists or whatever BS MQM dingy cab driver in NYC cares he does not represent Pakistanis and the SAA has Sunnis in its ranks

becoming refugees by Assad and PKK.

The PKK,PYD and PJAK whatever crap they are is all hated by Syria,Turkey,Iran and Iraq guess who supports them the Yanks and the Saudis under MBS most refugees have returned from Turkey and Lebanon in the last year

Making 50% of your population refugees (internal and external) is no joke. Assad is no angel. I was never a fan of his even before the war.

That doesn’t mean I support US or Israel, both of which are trying to benefit from the civil war and suffering in Syria.

By the way, I don’t only know a few Syrians but I know most of the leaders of the American Syrian diaspora leadership.

Assad will have to go eventually for peace to prevail in Syria.

 

[Yankee-stani]

I agree with you on delinking our relationship with Iran from KSA or Wahabbis in Pakistan. Similarly to how our KSA policy is independent of Iran or Shias in Pakistan.

I blame our terrible previous governments for this, however Iran’s foreign policy is equally as paradoxical.

Tell me how much sense it makes for Iran to support Armenia against Shia Azerbaijan, Iraqi sectarian radicals like Sadr, and Northern Alliance backstabbers like Sheikh Rabbani and Ahmad Shah Masoud against Hekmatyar and Taleban in Afg? There are numerous other examples as well.

Brother I respect and I like you but lets see this from a bigger picture ok Azerbaijan at the moment is lead by Illiham Aliyev I like his domestic policies but you why I don't like him at all its his alliance with Israel, under him Azerbaijan is getting arms from Israel he is proponent of Muslim Nations allying with Israel, is zionist ball licker to the core lets not forget he let the Israelis have a base just a few miles from Iranian borders and airspace so much for a good neighbor oh also the Same Aliyev supporting South Azerbaijani rebels in Iran so much again for a good neighbor.Armenia complain about it is weak it depends on Russia more than Iran.Afghanistan's people themseleves are namak haramis and traitors nothing good be it the Northern Alliance and Taliban just useful idiots for neighboring nations

Making 50% of your population refugees (internal and external) is no joke. Assad is no angel. I was never a fan of his even before the war.

That doesn’t mean I support US or Israel, both of which are trying to benefit from the civil war and suffering in Syria.

By the way, I don’t only know a few Syrians but I know most of the leaders of the American Syrian diaspora leadership.

Assad will have to go eventually for peace to prevail in Syria.

Most of those leaders are just ball lickers for neo cons in the States anyways Assad said when the war is over he will hand it over to new leadership and Iran will help out

 

[Pan-Islamic-Pakistan]

Brother I respect and I like you but lets see this from a bigger picture ok Azerbaijan at the moment is lead by Illiham Aliyev I like his domestic policies but you why I don't like him at all its his alliance with Israel, under him Azerbaijan is getting arms from Israel he is proponent of Muslim Nations allying with Israel, is zionist ball licker to the core lets not forget he let the Israelis have a base just a few miles from Iranian borders and airspace so much for a good neighbor oh also the Same Aliyev supporting South Azerbaijani rebels in Iran so much again for a good neighbor.Armenia complain about it is weak it depends on Russia more than Iran.Afghanistan's people themseleves are namak haramis and traitors nothing good be it the Northern Alliance and Taliban just useful idiots for neighboring nations

Yes, both Turkey and Azerbaijan have relationship with Israel. I’m not a fan of this.

However, Iran support for Armenia and Serbs is also condemnable.

 

[Yankee-stani]

Yes, this was totally wrong. Pakistan refused to join that Arab-backed Iraq-Iran war, and we supported Iran economically and on a humanitarian basis.[/QUOTE]

It was because Saddam supported Balochi rebels he was never Pro Pakistan good riddence he is gone but I still dont support the Iraq war

Yes, both Turkey and Azerbaijan have relationship with Israel. I’m not a fan of this.

However, Iran support for Armenia and Serbs is also condemnable.

Iran does not support Serbia at all in the 90s Hezbollah and the Jihad of Construction group sided and armed the Bosniaks also the Americans were pissed at Alijia Izebtgovic getting support from Bosnia same in Kosovo Iran did the same

Yes, both Turkey and Azerbaijan have relationship with Israel. I’m not a fan of this.

However, Iran support for Armenia and Serbs is also condemnable.

Serbia of 2018 is much different than Slobadan 90s Yugoslavia again the whole Yugoslavia war was a conspiracy to destroy a strong neutral nation that prevented Yankee incursion into Eastern Europe and Eurasia Tito was a good leader ask any Serb,Bosniak,Croat,Macedonian,Heck even Albanian they rather have Yugoslavia back then the puppet small states they live in now

 

[Pan-Islamic-Pakistan]

Most of those leaders are just ball lickers for neo cons in the States anyways Assad said when the war is over he will hand it over to new leadership and Iran will help out

He could have also prevented this whole war by doing this initially. Both sides, rebels and government, turned this political squabble into a region-wide sectarian war and allowed Israel, PKK, and Shia/Sunni extremism to spread unchecked.

Now these same sectarian fools (though mostly this time KSA and UAE) are killing off the population of Yemen where 80% are dying of malnutrition and cholera.

 

[nahtanbob]

The geniocide bs is just a excuse by Western Govts to malign Syria and Iran plus being partial heritage I know many Syrians and Lebanese from all the political spectrum who support Assad , having some few friends in the diaspora does not mean they represent the Syrian nation just like some Balochi Nationalists or whatever BS MQM dingy cab driver in NYC cares he does not represent Pakistanis and the SAA has Sunnis in its ranks

becoming refugees by Assad and PKK.

The PKK,PYD and PJAK whatever crap they are is all hated by Syria,Turkey,Iran and Iraq guess who supports them the Yanks and the Saudis under MBS most refugees have returned from Turkey and Lebanon in the last year[/QUOTE]

If Assad has Sunni support he would be running for his life

 

[Yankee-stani]

He could have also prevented this whole war by doing this initially. Both sides, rebels and government, turned this political squabble into a region-wide sectarian war and allowed Israel, PKK, and Shia/Sunni extremism to spread unchecked.

The war in Syria was planned way before 2011 as recently as 2006 after the Israelis got a bloody nose by Hezbollah in Lebanon which was primary backer was Syria and Iran, the West and Israel needed to get rid of Syria and Iran so the 2011 Arab Spring was meant to bring both regimes down however they failed in Iran in 2009 so Syria became a prime focus,even if Assad did leave it would have created more chaos I am glad he stayed and defended Syria

 

[Buddhistforlife]

He is saying what I was saying in past posts, The Turks now have the Ottoman glory past to look back and be proud of and use that as way to rally around nationalism same goes with the Chinese with their past dynsaties

Ottoman empire is a past and its just another empire like the Roman and Greek empire which flourished for a particular period and dried away just like most of the empires. Turks should concentrate on the present and this remembrance of Ottoman glory wont benefit their present circumstamce.

Just to clarify something here. Mullahism is not a new problem. When people talk about Islam and wish for Calipha they ignore some hard facts. After the demise of the Prophet [PBUH] we only saw 30 years, yes exactly 30 years of Rashidun rule or the rightly guided Caliphs. That all ended in blood and gore in 661CE and for the last 1,357 years to this day the Islamic world has been continously divided and not be able to agree on one rule or one interpretation of Islam. Indeed as centuries have piled on since 661CE we have become more divided, more interpretations and more bloodshed.

Moral of the fcukin story? You learn fro history. You learn from failure. You learn from catastrophe. Meaning you don't repeat the same mistake again and again. It's about time religion was restricted to the provate sphere and Mullahism is erased. Or we will continue on the path of division, dischord, sectarianism, schisms for eternity. What does 661 CE to 2018 teach us.

Instead of looking at China the only hope for Pakistan is Kemal Ataturk. He sussed this out in 1920s and laid the future of modern Turkey. Pakistan needs to do the same or more generations will suffer in poverty and ignorance.

Also the fun fact is that the Caliphate was never able to control the entire muslim community. There were numerous sovereign muslim kingdoms in Spain, Central Asia and Africa which never gave two hoots to what the Caliphate has to say. They ruled as per their wish and maintained alliance with whomever they found beneficial. It is a farse that the Caliphate united the muslim world.