What is the biggest threat to Pakistan?

[Imad.Khan]

Show me which Mullah is saying do not educate girls?

Is this what Tariq Jameel and Dr. Israr Ahmed said?

Please be realistic. The last time I visited Pakistan was in 2007.





My Mother is a Medical Doctor from Allama Iqbal University. And my Aunt is a graduate from Quaid-i-Azam University in Geophysics.

Who is stopping girls from getting educated.

Those who are against girl's education in Pakistan seriously need a reality check and are idiots.

Who can our nation ever develop and industrialize?

So do you think the girl schools that were blown in KPK and GB were because they wanted renovations done? Was Malala shot because they didn't like her face? Just because you have closed your eyes doesn't mean that shit doesn't happen and Dr Israr Ahmed was not a mullah, he was a proper scholar, unfortunately he is now dead. We are talking about all these illiterate fanatical idiots like fazlu, rizvi, mulla burka of lal masjid types that roam the streets inciting violence and hatred.

 

[Adam WANG SHANGHAI MEGA]

The biggest threat to Pakistan
=
Slow economic growth
(if people's lives can be greatly improved, I don't really care if leaders are corrupt , nor care about what religion you believe in).

 

[MultaniGuy]

So do you think the girl schools that were blown in KPK and GB were because they wanted renovations done? Was Malala shot because they didn't like her face? Just because you have closed your eyes doesn't mean that shit doesn't happen and Dr Israr Ahmed was not a mullah, he was a proper scholar, unfortunately he is now dead. We are talking about all these illiterate fanatical idiots like fazlu, rizvi, mulla burka of lal masjid types that roam the streets inciting violence and hatred.

I am totally against the Libturds and the extremists.

We need educated people.

Those who are against girl's education are complete idiots. Girls must be educated.

 

[Adam WANG SHANGHAI MEGA]

The poorer the family, the more children they give birth,the lower the level of education of women.

The poorest regions in the world and the fastest population growing regions in the world are all in the same place: Africa.

Because of poverty, sometimes children are sick, parents are not willing to see a doctor, or parents simply have no money to see a doctor for their child. Therefore, parents can only hope that several children of many children can survive if they have more children. China used to be like this back to 1950s and to 1970s.

 

[MultaniGuy]

education

The poorer the family, the more children they give birth,the lower the level of education of women.

The poorest regions in the world and the fastest population growing regions in the world are all in the same place: Africa.

Agree with you. I am totally against having large families.

Families should have 2 or 3 children maximum.

When parents have 4 or more children, it becomes too burdensome to educate and feed.

The poorer the family, the more children they give birth,the lower the level of education of women.

The poorest regions in the world and the fastest population growing regions in the world are all in the same place: Africa.

Because of poverty, sometimes children are sick, parents are not willing to see a doctor, or parents simply have no money to see a doctor for their child. Therefore, parents can only hope that several children of many children can survive if they have more children. China used to be like this back to 1950s and to 1970s.

Yes, China, Japan, South Korea, and Taiwan are good role models for Pakistan.

 

[Adam WANG SHANGHAI MEGA]

Plus, Girls do not have the strength of a boy, girls earn less than boys; girls are vulnerable to sexual assault, and once a girl is sexually assaulted, many ignorant parents will blame the girl as a victim and think she has brought shame to the family.

 

[MultaniGuy]

Plus, Girls do not have the strength of a boy, girls earn less than boys; girls are vulnerable to sexual assault, and once a girl is sexually assaulted, many ignorant parents will blame the girl as a victim and think they have brought shame to the family.

Believe me, the new generation of Pakistan do not believe in this family honor shit thing.

If you do something wrong, you bring shame to yourself and to nobody else or the family.

 

[Adam WANG SHANGHAI MEGA]

Believe me, the new generation of Pakistan do not believe in this family honor shit thing.

If you do something wrong, you bring shame to yourself and to nobody else or the family.

I am not talking about Pakistan,i am talking about girls in general,you know in China,among 1.4 billions chinese,there are 30 millions more boys than girls,which shows also the extended result of one-child policy which has been cancled in 2016.

This gender gap in the population may cause many problems. For example, some Chinese men may not be able to find a marriage for a lifetime, or some Chinese young men must marry a Chinese woman with a relatively large age.

However, this gender gap has also brought benefits to China: in today's China, the status of women in society has been greatly improved. After the marriage, a lot of women holds the economic power at home. and because of the smaller number of women population, women have begun to occupy a dominant position in Chinese society.

In short, Chinese men must treat your wife well, otherwise as a Chinese man, you may not find a wife for the rest of your life.

 

[Mugwop]

Indians are speaking truth.

What truth are they speaking? Directly india is no threat to Pakistan.
However most indians have dedicated their lives to make lives of Pakistanis and other random muslims miserable.

 

[GeraltofRivia]

Out of the various countries that Pakistan could learn from, Turkey is closest to us. It's hard to define but for instance I am almost at sync with most Turkish members. The reason is their roots are Muslim but they very progressive. In the same way I am Muslim but being brought up in UK I have a outlook which is not comfortable with the stale, failed and retrogressive politics of Pakistan. Ideally as you mention one ought to treat this subject as buffet lunch. You liberally pick and choose what you think is best. UK, Germany, France, USA or whatever. But unlike Chinese, in Pakistan for whole variety of reasons it's not so simple as choosing freely from the 'buffet lunch' of success stories.

UK. No. Germany. No. France. No. USA. No. In fact any mention of that will entail howls of "westoxified" or "libtards" etc. However Turkey is seen very positively in Pakistan and thus using Turkey as examplar stands more chance of success.

I see. Being practical is also important in this subject. How your nation is moving forward is the outcome of the consensus among the elites.

Equally the counter argument is that when you are cherry picking the best policies or experience from many nations, you don’t need to name it at all. It it indigenous because it is a mixture of different things. Just call it XYZ with Pakistani character.

 

[GeraltofRivia]

The thing is possibly because of the colonial era anything remotely western is a no no in Pakistan. It's led to a very twisted society where we don't mind moving to the west for economic benefit, we don't mind enjoying the fruits of the west but any attempt to copy the attributes that underpin western success will lead to howls and screams.

There is almost a equation in Pakistan which is stamped in the minds of the majority. Tradition is the solution to everything and attributes that underpin western success are evil. So in practice this means to make progress Pakistani's insist on looking at a past [mythical]. Our leaders are aware of this. That is why they will dress, talk, and kowtow to tradition ever so carefull not to be accused of being 'westoxified'.

In China, Japan or even Turks this particular phenomenon does not exist. I think this thinking is product of the colonial period and sign of defeatism.

I can totally understand this, conservatism is also a common Phenomenon in the past in China. China’s long and proud history can be a huge burden when the new idea or initiatives were put forward. The scholar class which run China in the past also has conservative and progressive sectors and most cases conservative side was strong. That’s why the previous nationalist government in China couldn’t carry out the reform they hoped as the conservative sector was simply too powerful and against any changes to the status quo.

You see its hard to support the any side in the Chinese Civil War as both the Kuomantang and CCP wanted whats best for China that's why as a student of history when you look back and cut through the post 1950s Cold War propaganda pushed by Mao and Chiang when they both were ruling Taiwan and China, Chiang and Mao wanted the same thing a Strong,Nationalistic and prosperious China not a weak country with a rich elite who let hostile foreign nations plunder its wealth, the problem was your country was invaded in the 1920s,1930s by Japan had to deal with poverty yet an hostile enemy at the same time



I loved history and geo-politics from a young age that's why the Opium Wars you could say was the starting point but it was mainly the Imperial elite that saw this not your average Chinese person it took another 50 years for the Chinese people to understand what was going on that lead to the Boxer Rebellion, same with the Otttoman's when they lost Greece and parts of the Balkans in the mid 1800s they went through the Tanzimat reforms but this did not trickle down to the Ottoman subjects until like the late 1800s and early 1900s when The Young Turks movement would take foot only the elite and defense forces benefited from such modernization under the Qing and Ottoman's average Qing and Otttoman subjects had to wait for leaders like Dr.Sen,or Ataturk to push ahead

Exactly that why I am not a Secularist or a Wahhabist they are extreme ends that solve none of our problems we need a well defined nationalism and I say lets ban all these ethnic and province based Political parties first like the MQM, and ANP I know thats just a wish list but those parties are one of the source of strife and prevent ethnic harmony and unified nationalism, 2nd a ban on Clerics from politics and instead make them part of a State Directorate of Religious Affairs where they could debate the interpretation of the Quran and Islam, also make the Clerics push their followers to get vocational training and helping the national economy so they dont need to go on the streets and burn tires

Yes. I always consider them as two sides of the same coin (I am sure neither of them would agree with me though ). Chiang‘s son who success his father as the president of ROC later went to school in Russia. Many army officers in both sides came from the HuangPu military academy. Chiang has really shown his will strength and generalship as in WWII, things could be a lot worse if he wasn’t around.

You are very right that the change didn’t reach commoners until boxer rebellion. From that point change started to accelerated with the rise of Dr Sun(Sen) and the nationalists party.

Agree that a well defined nationalism is needed, which will provide a more tangible goal to work with.

 

[Pan-Islamic-Pakistan]

Pakistan’s recipe for success has been available since long ago.

What made the Muslims the superpower of the world initially? What gave Muslims renewed life under Turk/Mongol Muslim Dynasties? What in our culture assured our dominance over the West for more than one thousand years?

Who was the most successful human being that ever lived? Muhammad saws, in both material and spiritual realms was the pinnacle of humanity.

What should be our model of equality, justice, and progress? The state of Madina and the four Khilafat Rashidoon.

It doesn’t mean we have to abandon the modern conveniences we enjoy today, but our mindset should have a balance of spirituality and the material world.

 

[Yankee-stani]

Maybe a balance of Iran and Turkey is good for Pakistan at least the clerics in Iran promote science, and hi-tech

But Mullahism is even worse in Iran since Rouhani. Sectarianism as foreign policy is a very poor policy when you are surrounded by Sunni and Arab countries.
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Whoa Whoa hold your horses there Iran is not part of this sectarian mess I know Pakistanis who are hardcore Sunni's will side with KSA got it but I am a Sunni and I support Iran you know why they are the least sectarian country in MENA at the moment all those sectarian mess is coming from the Gulf States not Iran,who funded the sectarian wars was it Iran or Saudi Arabia, Saudi Arabia did to counter Iran and to know tie with their Yank masters who pushes wahhabism Iran or Saudi Arabia.Saudi Arabia Is the root cause

 

[Indus Pakistan]

So do you think the girl schools that were blown in KPK and GB were because they wanted renovations done?

lol.

What made the Muslims the superpower of the world initially?

Please note the Turks, Mongols achievements are largely intrinsic to their cultures and not Islam. Both peoples had a penchant for war and conquest.

 

[Yankee-stani]

lol.

Please note the Turks, Mongols achievements are largely intrinsic to their cultures and not Islam. Both peoples had a penchant for war and conquest.

He is saying what I was saying in past posts, The Turks now have the Ottoman glory past to look back and be proud of and use that as way to rally around nationalism same goes with the Chinese with their past dynsaties