What if the Muslim world treated non-Muslims as the West treats Muslims?

[MarkusS]

Incorrect information Pakistan does allow minorites to be represented in the parliament our shipping minister is Christian

Is it possible to build a cathedral in pakistan?

Would i as a catholic italian be able to legal marry a muslim pakistani women if we fall in love?

 

[Sliver]

Incorrect information Pakistan does allow minorites to be represented in the parliament our shipping minister is Christian

that was a mistake. I should have written Pakistan does not allow non-mulsims to be President or Prime minister. Also, the general feeling that "important parliamentary tasks" should not be performed by non-muslims" seems to be prevalent.

http://tribune.com.pk/story/228680/...igible-to-become-president-pm-kamran-michael/

 

[Zibago]

Is it possible to build a cathedral in pakistan?

Would i as a catholic italian be able to legal marry a muslim pakistani women if we fall in love?

Cathedral well technically yes we allow new churches in Pakistan but there are issues over land and permit stuff thats why 90% of Pakistani churches look like

http://www.dawn.com/news/674631/megachurch-opens-its-doors-in-karachi

https://twitter.com/x/status/427203859929243650

but i dont know what is the difference betweem a Church and a Cathedral
Is a big Church called a Cathedral?
On issue of marriage well there is a legal loop hole i rather not discuss here :-\\

On topic like this like i said numerous times before the society needs to change will it change?
Yes but the pace is slower than it should be the otherisation of minorities needs to be countered first

 

[MarkusS]

Cathedral well technically yes we allow new churches in Pakistan but there are issues over land and permit stuff thats why 90% of Pakistani churches look like

http://www.dawn.com/news/674631/megachurch-opens-its-doors-in-karachi

https://twitter.com/x/status/427203859929243650

but i dont know what is the difference betweem a Church and a Cathedral
Is a big Church called a Cathedral?
On issue of marriage well there is a legal loop hole i rather not discuss here :-\\

On topic like this like i said numerous times before the society needs to change will it change?
Yes but the pace is slower than it should be the otherisation of minorities needs to be countered first

A cathedral is a large church. Not such small ones.

Also what loop hole? Could i or not?

 

[Zibago]

that was a mistake. I should have written Pakistan does not allow non-mulsims to be President or Prime minister. Also, the general feeling that "important parliamentary tasks" should not be performed by non-muslims" seems to be prevalent.

http://tribune.com.pk/story/228680/...igible-to-become-president-pm-kamran-michael/

This law will take atleast another decade to be ammended it took US centuries to consider Blacks equals

But that doesnot mean the entire system is against minorities many minorities have reached top ranks in Army and posts in Judiciary
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Noel_Israel_Khokhar
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Władysław_Turowicz
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mervyn_Middlecoat

https://twitter.com/x/status/659160673683804160

A cathedral is a large church. Not such small ones.

Also what loop hole? Could i or not?

Yes if you have the currency for it but most Christians in Pakistan are poor and.cant fund huge Churches
http://www.dawn.com/news/674631/megachurch-opens-its-doors-in-karachi

 

[dray]

No, it's not about the norm. Trolling is also the norm for terrorist thugs like you, so it is your intolerance. Stop telling others what you like and you don't or get the hell out of here!

It shouldn't be but RSS thugs like you have made it so and you're stupid enough to think that you can fool the entire world.

Give one evidence of what you claim, the so-called 'Islamists' who murder people are children of your BAL pets and you know it, so stop blaming others for their crimes. On the other hand it is acknowledged world wide that india is the rape capital of the world; RSS terrorists like you rape on public transports whenever they get the opportunity and then tell tales of rapes and murders by the bogeyman, enough of your Nazi lies.

^^Jamati mullah lost his marbles.

 

[50cent]

Whst if muslims treats. non muslim in the same way as they treat feloow muslims

 

[T-Rex]

^^Jamati mullah lost his marbles.

And RSS pussies like you never had it in the first place!

 

[Nalini]

Future remains fatal unless Pakistan & the Islamic countries stop promoting Islamic education & invest in educating the youth for personal & Economic development. Muslims lack behind in almost all the fields of Education, Science, technology, innovation, entrepreneurs, Entertainment, Music, culture, sports & woman empowerment. Even educated muslims become zero since they are not able to get out of the primitive Islamic mindset.

Most Muslims are not voicing this issue, they have to teach the younger generation to fit in this modern world. To fit in you have to trade & have cultural exchange. For cultural exchange the other cultures have to feel comfortable & free to engage with each other. That happens when you don't impose your culture is the best.

Most muslim countires are surviving just on oil & natural resources. If Middle East didn't have oil, it would have been the most backward region in the world.World powers have become powerful from trade & commerce. That comes with developing skill & technology. Oil money can get your arms, weapons to defend, but at times of war the key remains with the master who made the weapons. So you will always remain a slave to others, in-spite of having money.

I request Muslims to start understanding the modern world. Take initiative to change old religious thoughts & bring in fresh thoughts of assimilation, tolerance, development & uplifting the image of Islam. To do this you have to discourage Madrassahs, accept criticism & adopt change. Once you accept, even religious scriptures can have mistakes & are open for debate & reforms, there is hope for peace. If not violence & Islamic intolerance will only increase & it will only lead to more jealousy, stubbornness & fury.

Shed insecurity, encourage other religious practices. Muslims mission should not be to spread Islam & Jihad. Pakistan should be among the first to do this. You have used the Saudis, American & foreign aid money for Madrasas & plotting conspiracies in the sole motive to defeat India. Result is you have not defeated India & your enemy is getting more & more stronger to make you more obsessed with jealousy & hatred. Let's work towards having peace & happiness. Our sole purpose should be to explore the world to develop gain dignity & enjoy life.

 

[Tshering22]

What if the Muslim world treated non-Muslims as the West treats Muslims?

Then non-Muslims will do everything that Muslims are doing now in non-Muslim countries.

 

[pts_m_h_2016]

Because Muslims nowhere in the world are very intelligent people, at most, they are moderately intelligent people like Turks, Iranians or like that, then Muslims have no chance but to be ruled by others through direct colonialism, invasion or neocolonialism through puppet regimes.

Question that appears pertinent: Is Islam only sent for dumb folks and medium IQ people?

If not, why don't you see highly intelligent ethnic groups accepting Islam? Why not highly intelligent people accepting Islam in vast numbers in all countries?

 

[Timur]

Because Muslims nowhere in the world are very intelligent people, at most, they are moderately intelligent people like Turks, Iranians or like that, then Muslims have no chance but to be ruled by others through direct colonialism, invasion or neocolonialism through puppet regimes.

Question that appears pertinent: Is Islam only sent for dumb folks and medium IQ people?

If not, why don't you see highly intelligent ethnic groups accepting Islam? Why not highly intelligent people accepting Islam in vast numbers in all countries?

we can apply this on christianity too.. or just europeans dontlet me talk about this..

If not, why don't you see highly intelligent ethnic groups accepting Islam? Why not highly intelligent people accepting Islam in vast numbers in all countries?

all ethnics and all groubs are represented there you see ppl accepting and ppl leaving in all religions..

and islam has one major thing that is different now :its a target a common enemy.. even if ppl belive they hestitate because of what will others think what will my family do..

today we face not a war on terror no its war on islam.. the US spends more money in defaming in changing islam than they ever spend even in cold war.. from think tanks to tv shows to quran schools and Imam sargent bradleys they are everywhere in muslim countries..

and more: today we face a worser situation than salah ad dins days

the US hast just focused on war on islam with all its power and all its recources.. the war on islam is fought in all aspects of life let it be the little gazette , a tv show a comic a radio show a paper on a wall or think tanks or documentation , school, social life, war, funding koran schools in US and outside, brining in your Imams and your ppl.. wars and coups or marionettes to finish the islamic schoolars.. since the end of ottoman empite the sunni word had a schoolar genocide this vakuum is now filled with Imam Sargent Bradleys

look at turkey.. we have apes and teddy bears as self procalaimed schoolars on tv:

 

[pts_m_h_2016]

we can apply this on christianity too.. or just europeans dontlet me talk about this..



all ethnics and all groubs are represented there you see ppl accepting and ppl leaving in all religions..

and islam has one major thing that is different now :its a target a common enemy.. even if ppl belive they hestitate because of what will others think what will my family do..

today we face not a war on terror no its war on islam.. the US spends more money in defaming in changing islam than they ever spend even in cold war.. from think tanks to tv shows to quran schools and Imam sargent bradleys they are everywhere in muslim countries..

and more: today we face a worser situation than salah ad dins days

the US hast just focused on war on islam with all its power and all its recources.. the war on islam is fought in all aspects of life let it be the little gazette , a tv show a comic a radio show a paper on a wall or think tanks or documentation , school, social life, war, funding koran schools in US and outside, brining in your Imams and your ppl.. wars and coups or marionettes to finish the islamic schoolars.. since the end of ottoman empite the sunni word had a schoolar genocide this vakuum is now filled with Imam Sargent Bradleys

look at turkey.. we have apes and teddy bears as self procalaimed schoolars on tv:

I have given you a thank.

Good that you understand the US plots.

That's why I said Turks and Iran maybe some others are medium IQ populations. Most Muslims are also Low IQ populations.

But why Muslims do not have a majority population that is high IQ? This is a major question and puzzle to me.

Why no European population with high IQ or Far East or Oriental population with High IQ is majority Muslim?

 

[Luffy 500]

that was a mistake. I should have written Pakistan does not allow non-mulsims to be President or Prime minister. Also, the general feeling that "important parliamentary tasks" should not be performed by non-muslims" seems to be prevalent.

http://tribune.com.pk/story/228680/...igible-to-become-president-pm-kamran-michael/

Islam does NOT allow non-muslims to become leaders of muslim lands for justifiable and logical reasons.

Muslim gets precedence over non-Muslim in governance :
http://www.islamweb.net/emainpage/index.php?page=showfatwa&Option=FatwaId&Id=312343

Islam doesn't allow non-muslims to be in position of leadership in muslim lands and that's for justifiable and logical reasons. How can a non-muslim upheld and defend the values of an Islamic state if he does not even belief in those values in the first place. WHat do modern heads of state take oath of - to upheld and defend the constitution of their state. What do PAK leaders (PM, president) take oath of- to upheld and defend the constitution of the Islamic republic of PAK. Can a hindu,christian,qadiyani in PAK really do that? A non-muslims PM/President in PAK would be mockery and hypocrisy against PAK muslims in its worse form.

Even from a realistic POV - non-muslims tend to be indifferent or in some worse cases disloyal to muslim states. That's human nature. A hindu in PAK naturally gives India a special place in his/her heart. Communist during the cold war no matter where he/she lived looked up to russia/USSR , pak and Indian communists included. Ideologies transcend man-made boundaries. You can not blame a PAK hindu for loving india. That would be injustice. That's the beauty of Islam . Islam does NOT demand assimilation and conversion into majority culture from minorities. It doesn't police the beliefs of minorities. It allows minorities their own cultural religious identity as long as they don't rebel against the state.


Lets look at it from western secular POV as well. DO they allow non-seculars to be President and PMs in the west? Their system is designed so as to make sure that only secularist and westernized individuals can make it to the PM/President seat. What oath do they take? - They take oath of defending the secular constitution. What do their leaders say upon taking office? Its a norm now for their politicians to say - "Even if I have religious beliefs my beliefs don't effect my decisions in office" . Saying otherwise is social taboo and political suicide in the west. That's why orthodox christians in the west have often times grievances against political liberalism and their opportunist leaders direct those grievances and anger against muslims in the west. Heck even to become a simple mayor (eg. mayor of london) the "muslim candidate" has to adopt liberal western values and lambaste islamic values publicly to prove his credentials:
https://defence.pk/threads/tolerance-and-the-first-muslim-mayor-in-europe.431167/

A muslim can NOT become even a simple mayor in the west if he/she does not renounce his/her islamic beliefs. The society and people of the west won't accept that muslim as long as they don't renounce Islam.

Is it possible to build a cathedral in pakistan?

Would i as a catholic italian be able to legal marry a muslim pakistani women if we fall in love?

As far a i know yes building cathedral is allowed in PAK. PAK members can confirm.

NO non-muslim man can NOT marry muslim women as per Islam. Don't know about PAK laws but Sharia does NOT allow it and i am pretty sure PAK also does NOT allow it.

 

[Timur]

I have given you a thank.

Good that you understand the US plots.

That's why I said Turks and Iran maybe some others are medium IQ populations. Most Muslims are also Low IQ populations.

But why Muslims do not have a majority population that is high IQ? This is a major question and puzzle to me.

Why no European population with high IQ or Far East or Oriental population with High IQ is majority Muslim?

because of tribal things and dictators , the most loyal get the job and not the one who has the most IQ or knowledge