What an Afghanistan Victory Looks Like Under the Trump Plan

[A.P. Richelieu]

Wrong, the defeat of terrorism is a long term issue.

What took decades to build up isn't going to be destroyed overnight
But go back 10 years we had big attacks every week

We now have them months apart and against soft targets like vegetable markets

This situation will go on until Afghanistan is controlled

The U.S has no plan they come up with one idiotic idea or another every few year, their plans ONLY have one objective and that is to achieve U.S foreign policy they don't understand local dynamics nor care about the chaos local people have to endure


Seal the border, that's our plan, let no one go across it

We can deal with the broken groups left over from our military operations

As long as the u.s or Afghans patrol their own side and let no one through it will be mission accomplished

The Taliban however will prevail in Afghanistan with public support and they will punish the u.s, India or anyone else who has plans there

The Taliban of course mostly will punish Afghanis.
At least, that is what they been doing so far.

 

[Zibago]

The Taliban are just an association of few warlords and their followers, technologically and educationally primitive. Yet 100K troops couldn't defeat much weaker Taliban and the question is why ?????

The answer is just plain and simple, the Taliban never fought with their backs to a wall, they always had an escape route to run and hide in their safe heavens elsewhere.

Yes nearly half of Afghanistan http://www.businessinsider.com/taliban-map-afghanistan-2017-3

You're talking about this ☟ army?

Don't put too much faith in them.

They have more generals than lieutenants

Maybe Pakistan should move all Afghani refugees to the FATA area.
Then simply sell the FATA area to Afghanistan.

Why not annex the Wakhan corridor and have direct access to central asia ?

That means rid of problems associated with refugees (They are not too popular).
Pakistan cannot be accused of harbouring Talibans in the FATA area.
Many Pakistani terrorists suddenly become Afghani terrorists.
No resting place for anti government Talibans in Afghanistan.

Or complete what we started and heavily control our own border
http://www.aljazeera.com/news/2017/...fence-afghanistan-border-170326081848483.html

If You are right, there will be no more terrorist attacks in Pakistan.
I doubt that will happen.

The afghan national army has only 5-8% pashtuns the taliban are mainly pashtuns people tend to overlook the ethnic dimension in Afghanistan

 

[Musafir117]

Easy Easy Trump the joker request to another joker to assist him fight war and send their Hanuman soldiers They do un seen surgical strikes un seen results but but Uncle believes them and here you go Job done.

 

[hussain0216]

The Taliban of course mostly will punish Afghanis.
At least, that is what they been doing so far.

Whether they punish afghans, americans or indians we dont care we cant take responsibility for these people

 

[saiyan0321]

With 8,400 troops they have one soldier per 80 square km...

With private contractors involved the number is a bit higher. I would say about above 10k giving support and logistics and air strikes to the ANA.

It is not fighting occupation.

Well from their point of view they are. They don't see america as the lone occupier but the Afghan govt as a puppet. Although they have made the withdrawal of US forces a pre condition for talks but it doesn't mean they would simply roll back. Even if peace talks succeed, they would take a huge chunk of influence and control for peace.

If it is, it is certainly counter productive. The US would have left ten years ago,
if the Taliban had entered politics, instead of trying to enforce their agenda.

Can't blame them there. The Taliban wanted peace in 2002 and wanted to partake and cooperate with the karzai govt in 2002 and become part of the peace process but both the karzai govt and US ignored and snubbed them. They made overtures again and again in 2003 as well but the US didn't care. Quite frankly the US believed that they were a spent force and non threatening. In its drunk state of power the US saw no point in peace talking with the enemy it had beaten. However that was a huge mistake that haunts the US. Today the US and the afghan govt is again and again calling them to peace talks to this extent that the Taliban are not in their terror list and the Taliban are ignoring them. Quite frankly the Taliban are led by young commanders who are not interested. The previous generation of 2000s was more prone to peace talks.

They want to rule Afghanistan according to their rules, not seeking a compromise solution.

Afghanistan is not a normal state. Its a state filled with war lord loyalists, ethnic strifes and territorial strifes. In Afghanistan the concept of occupier is not the one we hold. For example for many tribes in afghanistan the occupier could also be the tribe across the mountain within Afghanistan. Many war Lords have sold weapons and supplies to Taliban to target their enemies or to humiliate them. In such a scenario you haveany candidates and groups wanting to run Afghanistan their own way. Afghanistan is in a state of a civil war and this civil war goes way back
Even before the Russian invasion. Groups and ethnicities have been fighting over there for a good while to run things their own way.

Quite frankly at this point. I dont know what the Taliban are thinking.

Maybe they are overplaying their cards but in every interview, it has been highlighted that they are not oblivious to the fact that they won't return to the power of 1996-2001. They know this could mean that maybe they are overplaying or gaining enough ground for a great bargain in negotiation.

Either way peace in Afghanistan is looking harder and harder everyday.

Although the civil war is older than Russian invasion but its severity became thousand of times greater after their invasion and this war has went on for four decades. Its effects are far reaching.


As for FATA

Why should we sell our land to failed States who can't control their own countries?

Terror attacks happen but do not underestimate the 2400km open border with mountainous passages that go hundreds of years back. We won in FATA and destabilized their network. The TTP ran into Afghanistan and morphed into ISIS. Considering the state of our neighbor, we are doing good in stopping terror attacks and reducing them.

FATA is important for us bcz the people are Pakistani and the land is pakistan. The people and tribes fought afghans in 1960s and fought and shed blood with us against the Taliban. The Lashkar's they raised played a very crucial role in dismantling terrorists in FATA. We owe them.

Would you not call selling them like commodities a great insult to their sacrifice just bcz we couldn't stop a few terror attacks in lahore.


Therefore we are fencing parts of borders and slowly securing all of it.

Will it stop terrorism? I don't know but I know it will greatly reduce it and play an important role in its reduction.


There is a lot more to the afghan war than meets the eye and the social fabric in Afghanistan has played a crucial role in this 40 years of pure civil war and its continuation for such a long time.

What do you guys think about social fabric of Afghanistan and the civil war that plagues it.

@pakistani342 @Icarus @Joe Shearer @Arsalan

 

[Joe Shearer]

With private contractors involved the number is a bit higher. I would say about above 10k giving support and logistics and air strikes to the ANA.



Well from their point of view they are. They don't see america as the lone occupier but the Afghan govt as a puppet. Although they have made the withdrawal of US forces a pre condition for talks but it doesn't mean they would simply roll back. Even if peace talks succeed, they would take a huge chunk of influence and control for peace.



Can't blame them there. The Taliban wanted peace in 2002 and wanted to partake and cooperate with the karzai govt in 2002 and become part of the peace process but both the karzai govt and US ignored and snubbed them. They made overtures again and again in 2003 as well but the US didn't care. Quite frankly the US believed that they were a spent force and non threatening. In its drunk state of power the US saw no point in peace talking with the enemy it had beaten. However that was a huge mistake that haunts the US. Today the US and the afghan govt is again and again calling them to peace talks to this extent that the Taliban are not in their terror list and the Taliban are ignoring them. Quite frankly the Taliban are led by young commanders who are not interested. The previous generation of 2000s was more prone to peace talks.



Afghanistan is not a normal state. Its a state filled with war lord loyalists, ethnic strifes and territorial strifes. In Afghanistan the concept of occupier is not the one we hold. For example for many tribes in pakistan the occupier could also be the tribe across the mountain within Afghanistan. Many war Lords have sold weapons and supplies to Taliban to target their enemies or to humiliate them. In such a scenario you haveany candidates and groups wanting to run Afghanistan their own way. Afghanistan is in a state of a civil war and this civil war goes way back
Even before the Russian invasion. Groups and ethnicities have been fighting over there for a good while to run things their own way.

Quite frankly at this point. I dont know what the Taliban are thinking.

Maybe they are overplaying their cards but in every interview, it has been highlighted that they are not oblivious to the fact that they won't return to the power of 1996-2001. They know this could mean that maybe they are overplaying or gaining enough ground for a great bargain in negotiation.

Either way peace in Afghanistan is looking harder and harder everyday.

Although the civil war is older than Russian invasion but its severity became thousand of times greater after their invasion and this war has went on for four decades. Its effects are far reaching.


As for FATA

Why should we sell our land to failed States who can't control their own countries?

Terror attacks happen but do not underestimate the 2400km open border with mountainous passages that go hundreds of years back. We won in FATA and destabilized their network. The TTP ran into Afghanistan and morphed into ISIS. Considering the state of our neighbor, we are doing good in stopping terror attacks and reducing them.

FATA is important for us bcz the people are Pakistani and the land is pakistan. The people and tribes fought afghans in 1960s and fought and shed blood with us against the Taliban. The Lashkar's they raised played a very crucial role in dismantling terrorists in FATA. We owe them.

Would you not call selling them like commodities a great insult to their sacrifice just bcz we couldn't stop a few terror attacks in lahore.


Therefore we are fencing parts of borders and slowly securing all of it.

Will it stop terrorism? I don't know but I know it will greatly reduce it and play an important role in its reduction.


There is a lot more to the afghan war than meets the eye and the social fabric in Afghanistan has played a crucial role in this 40 years of pure civil war and its continuation for such a long time.

What do you guys think about social fabric of Afghanistan and the civil war that plagues it.

@pakistani342 @Icarus @Joe Shearer @Arsalan

I know too little about it, in the current state of play. As for general observations, I am uneasily reminded again and again of Curzon's prescription for the country; it is one not to be quoted.