Please notice how they themselves are saying JEWS and HINDUS...although Israel and India are also used. Notice how the comments that come later are full of hatred and these are presumably the secularists on that side making these arguments. I wonder if this alliance has anything to do with people in the US gov threatening us now and talking about how the next attack will come from FATA?
FactsOfIsrael.com: Jews and Hindus unite against Islamic Terror
Jews and Hindus unite against Islamic Terror News
Forward magazine (Jewish News, Jewish Newspapers - Forward.com) has published an article that shows how Jews and Hindus are becoming partners in the war against Islamic terrorism:
Mirroring close ties between India and Israel, Jewish organizations have begun assisting Indian-American groups in their efforts to become a potent force in both domestic and foreign policy.
Leaders from the two communities have been coming together in recent months to discuss hate-crimes legislation and political activism. A major catalyst for the cooperation, however, is the perception that both communities face a common enemy in Muslim extremism. [...]
"We're fighting the same extremist enemy," said the capital region director of the American Jewish Congress, Charles Brooks, referring to Jews and Indian Americans. "We want to help them become more effective in communicating their political will."
Brooks is working closely with the Indian American Political Action Committee, or INAPAC, a new organization that has just been formed, primarily by Indian Americans from New Jersey. Brooks is helping the new organization develop relations with the U.S. Congress and other political leaders.
I copy the full article below.
Pro-Israel Activists Seeking Allies Among Immigrants From India
AIPAC, Others Stress Threat of Muslim Extremism in Outreach Bid to America's 1.6 Million South Asian Hindus
By LARRY RAMER - FORWARD CORRESPONDENT
Jewish News, Jewish Newspapers - Forward.com
issues/2002/02.10.11/news9.html
EAST WINDSOR, N.J. — Mirroring close ties between India and Israel, Jewish organizations have begun assisting Indian-American groups in their efforts to become a potent force in both domestic and foreign policy.
Leaders from the two communities have been coming together in recent months to discuss hate-crimes legislation and political activism. A major catalyst for the cooperation, however, is the perception that both communities face a common enemy in Muslim extremism.
Early this year, with Israel in its second year of fighting the Palestinian uprising and India in a tense military standoff with Pakistan over Muslim separatists in Kashmir, the two countries agreed to increase military cooperation. India and Israel have built a close economic and strategic relationship in recent years, with bilateral trade reaching $2 billion annually. At the same time, India has moved closer to the United States, especially in the areas of counter-terrorism and defense cooperation.
"We're fighting the same extremist enemy," said the capital region director of the American Jewish Congress, Charles Brooks, referring to Jews and Indian Americans. "We want to help them become more effective in communicating their political will."
Brooks is working closely with the Indian American Political Action Committee, or INAPAC, a new organization that has just been formed, primarily by Indian Americans from New Jersey. Brooks is helping the new organization develop relations with the U.S. Congress and other political leaders.
The American Israel Public Affairs Committee and the American Jewish Committee are also drawing on their considerable lobbying experience in helping Indian groups, representing a community of some 1.6 million, to learn how to flex their political muscle.
Last July, AJCommittee held a seminar on political activism in Washington for the Indian American Center for Political Awareness, an important Washington D.C.-based advocacy group.
"We shared with them the Jewish approach to political activism," said Ann Schaffer, the director of the AJCommittee's Belfer Center for American Pluralism. "We want to give them the tools to further their political agenda."
AJCommittee is planning a similar seminar on October 29 in New York City; 50-100 Indian-American activists are expected to attend. Several Indian Americans traveled to Israel last June as guests of the AJCommittee, meeting with a wide variety of Israeli government and military representatives. AJCommittee's executive director, David Harris, will address the National Federation of Indian American Associations' biannual conference next month, where he will speak on global terrorism and the relationship between India, Israel and the United States.
"India is building a close relationship with Israel and America, which we certainly want to encourage and support, because it's good for Israel and it's good for America," Schaffer said.
AIPAC representatives have offered advice to Indian groups, at conferences and informally. The pro-Israel lobbying group has shared its knowledge on how to lobby members of Congress and raise money, according to Jeffrey Colman, the organization's senior lobbyist. In addition, India's ambassador to the United States, Lalit Mansingh, attended a luncheon AIPAC hosted for 120 of its donors last April. "We can build a partnership, learn from each other, and both advance each other's agenda," Colman said.
"When India, Israel and the U.S. are under attack by extremists, there's a great deal of common ground and common interest in opposing them," Colman added. Although AIPAC is not currently working with Indian groups on advocating specific legislation, there could be such opportunities in the future, Colman added. "The Jewish community needs broad support for its issues and coalition-building is important to us," he said.
There is also room for cooperation on domestic issues, according to the representatives of the Indian and Jewish groups. Local AJCommittee chapters have worked with Indian groups on hate-crime and immigration issues. Jesal Amin, the chairman of the board of trustees of INAPAC, said he has worked with Jewish groups in combating hate crimes for over a decade.
Paul Goldenberg, president of The National Public Safety Learning Center, which consults with Jewish organizations on security matters, is now advising INAPAC on developing a hate-crimes policy and criteria for assessing political candidates' positions on the issue. Goldenberg, the former head of the New Jersey state attorney general's bias-crime unit, said he is also helping INAPAC encourage American law enforcement officials to work with their Indian counterparts in the war against terrorism. "People don't realize that India is at the forefront of the war against terrorism," Goldenberg said, referring to the country's problems with separatist Muslim militants in the disputed province of Kashmir.
Activists from both communities also see cultural affinities between them, including a heavy push for higher education and the professions. "We have made the American dream come true. Many Indians are professionals," Amin said. "One of the reasons for working together with the Jewish community is that we are so similar in terms of education, and from an economic point of view." Like Jewish Americans, Indian Americans are concentrated in several parts of the country, residing primarily in New York, New Jersey, Texas and California, Amin added, with most Indians arriving in America in the last decade.
All of the major New Jersey Indian-American cultural and business associations, as well as several such associations in New York, are backing INAPAC, Amin said. He added that the organization expected to raise some $90,000 at its first fund-raiser in two weeks. Sreenath Sreenivasan, a co-founder of the South Asian Journalists Association, said an organization with widespread support in New Jersey will have substantial clout within the Indian community.
INAPAC and the Indian American Center for Political Awareness, however, appear to differ on how closely they will cooperate with Jewish groups on international issues. Amin said that the terrorists who target Israel are interconnected with the Muslim terrorist groups operating elsewhere in the Middle East and South Asia, and indicated that his organization would work with Jewish organizations in backing anti-terrorism legislation and pro-Israel and pro-Indian candidates.
By contrast, Kapil Sharma, a consultant for the Indian American Center on Political Awareness, sees the situations in Israel and South Asia largely as separate issues. "We should be educated about each other's issues, so we can talk about Kashmir and Palestine, and challenge misconceptions about them when they arise, but we won't pick up each other's agendas, we won't be actively fighting for Israel," he said.
Colman, the AIPAC senior lobbyist who has worked with Sharma, said he wasn't bothered by Sharma's position, because "we're looking to work with them on common interests in a general way and we're not asking for their backing on specific legislation."
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hello,
Do you know anything about india.Ours is the secular country.Hindus and muslims are living in this country since 800 years.Except minor disputes we never had communal hatred lasting for years.
Jordan and Turkey both muslim countries do more buisness with Israel than india does with Israel.Don't spread false propaganda.
Posted by: Manga Gangasani at March 15, 2003 09:05 PM
dear manga gangasani,
maybe you dont know nething bout india.hindus and muslims neverstayed in india together for 800 years.hindus stayed under muslims for 800 years.try reading about the history of your country before putting up any comments.jai hind
Posted by: naresh at March 29, 2003 01:17 PM
Dear Manga,
I agree with Naresh. Try to have the basic minimum knowledge about history before choosing friends and enemies. Don't worry about Turkey and Jordan, but Israel helped us more than all arab countries put together during the Kargil episode. Instead of sentiment and sympathy guiding our blind support for arab causes(who have never returned the favor vis-a-vis Pakistan) let's be realistic in our approach and basic common knowledge would say that we have to support Israel at any cost!
Posted by: Sanjiv Kaul at April 7, 2003 02:47 PM
The Islamic atrocities on Hindu people has been systematically wiped out from Indian History by Communists and so called secularists. It should be noted when ever we had riot in India, it was always started first by muslims latests being Godhra incident in which numerous Hindus were brunt alive by Muslims without any provocation and the persistant failure of so called secularists and the Muslim intelligensia to condemn them has to be carefully thougth about??? Like Jews , Hindus have always been oppressed during last thousand years of Islamic Rule, this common bondage of oppression makes us natural allies.
Posted by: Sandip Bhadury at May 11, 2003 03:26 PM
Hey Manga,
What form of Afghan heroin are you shooting up your veins huh??? Are you Indian??? Do you have any idea of the atrocities committed by radical, moderate, and even liberal Muslims over the past 1200 years against the Hindu populations? Oh I get it … your one of those Mira Nair bitches –you know the kind of Hindu slut that loves Muslim **** --- go **** yourself you Muslim loving whore … it is estimated by Western historians that during a 500 year period from the 11th to the 16th centuries, 180 MILLION Hindus (this includes Sikhs, Buddhists, and Jains) were systematically massacred by Muslim rulers and invaders. The “secular” Muslim Mughal ruler of India, Akbar –oh, he had a policy of killing anywhere from 30,000 to 100,000 Hindu Rajputs any given day … I can only imagine the number of Hindus murdered by “Islamists” such as Babar and Mahmud of Ghazni. I wonder if your Muslim-cocksucking- ignorant about Indian history – prick *** has any idea that the Hindu Kush mountains are translated into English as “Hindu Slaughter,” “Hindu Killer,” or “ Killing of Hindus” – legend has it that the Afghans used to butcher and enslave millions of Hindus there. 180 million Hindus dead … and you think we have no enmity with them. The Sikhs are the original military wing of Hinduism, founded solely to confront the Muslim persecution of the Hindus. “Sikh” translates to disciple, but is more accurately defined as “soldier,” they were the eldest sons of Hindu families who were organized to battle the Muslim Mughals … do a little research … you dumb whore! A whole nation of people was defined because of Hindu-Muslim enmity! Where else has that happened?
You are right … we, the Indians (Hindu, Sikh, etc.) DO NOT have any ill will against the Muslims or against Islam … actually Hindus accept Islam and respect Muslims … they just hate us because we’re “kaffirs” –even you’re a kaffir, no matter how much Muslim cum you swallow … If you ever go to India you will notice that the Hindu and Muslim communities tend to be segregated … Old Delhi is Muslim, New Delhi is Hindu … and by the way, don’t forget that the Muslims of India consider themselves “Pakistani” … they never refer to themselves as strictly “Indians” … 15 % of India’s population is Muslim … 2 % of India’s military is Muslim …Indian Muslims chose to fight in Afghanistan in the 1980s and Bosnia in the 1990s, yet the forget to fight for their own homeland …
I, like every other Indian, have a great deal of respect for Islam and the Muslim community … no really, I do. However, for me to forget what my ancestors lived through … to forget that my grandmother trekked from Lahore to Amritsar in 1947 with a baby (my father) in her arms … to forget that Gobind Singh, his father, and his four sons were all killed fighting the Muslims so that we today can be Hindu or Sikh or Buddhist … no I cannot dishonor those memories … the truth my dear Manga is that the Muslims have always considered us as infidels … and I for one will not forget my history. Hey, you sit there and preach that we live in peace with them, what peace? Go to India and experience first hand your foolish vision of “Hindu-Muslim unity” …. You dumb ignorant *****, if it wasn’t for my people, the Sikhs, you’d be wearing a burka and facing Mecca right now … don’t disrespect my peoples’ history.
Posted by: Mad Max at June 3, 2003 04:05 PM
Namaste dear friends from Israel,
After going through the high sounding, vituperative comments of Mad Max (a true Sikh never writes in disguise!), I find myself totally uttered - I have nothing more to say. I must say that it's very hard to change the Muslim mindset. They are so obsessed with their faith and the beloved, last prophet that all their misdeeds seem to them as golden guides to elysium. One person, who I think, should be blamed for all the massive violence that is so very rampant in most parts of the world and that has been more conspicuously bedevilling the two brotherly countries India and Israel, is none other than the bloody Prophet Muhammad Bin Mustafa himself. Muslims say Peace Be Upon Him (Sal Illlah Ho Walai He Wassalam) - but he was the person who foisted hate and poison into his community through well articulated, self-created Koran. I have myself read Koran and have found its Allah sometimes speaking in first person and sometime in third person. And Koran is the book of God!
Islam means "peace" - how many "kafirs" like us would take that for granted? Isn't it a classic example of narcissm!
I strongly feel, that non-Muslims should aggresively campaign against the paranoid vituperations of Muhammad and let the Muslims understand the true meaning of peace (Islam).
Posted by: Chinmoy Kumar at June 14, 2003 03:11 AM
No where in the world majority community is treated like Muslims treated Hindus in Godhra train fire, Gujarat, India. We lost our freedom number of times because of people with communist and so called self declared secular mentality. This decease is still there in India. We had first Muslim terrorist in India in 700 AD, and still today it is going on. Muslims are not coming with flowers and goodwill, but invaded with their lust of power. They thrashed Hindu temples and then criminally constructed new mosques. Hindus will prefer to break rather than to bend. Earlier messages explained the social and humanity level of Muslims. Those who call Muslims as Pease loving people is sounding as ridiculous and laughable as appointment of Bin Laden and Saddam Hussein as life time chiefs of CIA and FBI respectively. The people want to discuss of root cause of present problems in the world --- and that is Muslims. Is Muslims having good relation with people of other religions? From the centuries, Muslims are fighting with Christian, Jews and Hindus. Is they want Islamic supremacy? They will never succeed
Hindus and Jews should join hands to fight Islamic terror. Hindus should learn from our history, and always remember that, strength respect strength. We should feel proud to have Israel with us. Hindus are peaceful people until we are not disturbed. We never spread Hinduism in other countries. Jews also hate to spread religion by force or even by any other means on the name of charity, for charity religion doesn’t matter. After 55 years of India’s independence there is no trust between Hindus and muslims. Muslims are living India but, eating Indian food but thinking in and out about Pakistan. Does Indian Muslims have any respect in Pakistan? One must remember respect national importance, respect others religion. Where are the Hindus in Pakistan? India has got respect due to its tolerance and spirituality. But, this tolerance certificate is awarded to India on the dead bodies millions of Hindus who sacrificed their life due to Muslim attacks. Our tolerance is now regarded as weakness. Hindus were at receiving end, and world is saying Hindus are tolerant. Ties with Israel will give us self-confidence. What is the use of certificate of tolerance for Indians? Of course respect is not demanded it is commanded by behavior, does Muslims will learn this? Self declared secular Hindus and Muslims should learn the history and writings on the wall. Because peace and love should not be one sided.
Posted by: hindustani at July 6, 2003 05:33 AM
FactsOfIsrael.com: Jews and Hindus unite against Islamic Terror
Jews and Hindus unite against Islamic Terror News
Forward magazine (Jewish News, Jewish Newspapers - Forward.com) has published an article that shows how Jews and Hindus are becoming partners in the war against Islamic terrorism:
Mirroring close ties between India and Israel, Jewish organizations have begun assisting Indian-American groups in their efforts to become a potent force in both domestic and foreign policy.
Leaders from the two communities have been coming together in recent months to discuss hate-crimes legislation and political activism. A major catalyst for the cooperation, however, is the perception that both communities face a common enemy in Muslim extremism. [...]
"We're fighting the same extremist enemy," said the capital region director of the American Jewish Congress, Charles Brooks, referring to Jews and Indian Americans. "We want to help them become more effective in communicating their political will."
Brooks is working closely with the Indian American Political Action Committee, or INAPAC, a new organization that has just been formed, primarily by Indian Americans from New Jersey. Brooks is helping the new organization develop relations with the U.S. Congress and other political leaders.
I copy the full article below.
Pro-Israel Activists Seeking Allies Among Immigrants From India
AIPAC, Others Stress Threat of Muslim Extremism in Outreach Bid to America's 1.6 Million South Asian Hindus
By LARRY RAMER - FORWARD CORRESPONDENT
Jewish News, Jewish Newspapers - Forward.com
issues/2002/02.10.11/news9.html
EAST WINDSOR, N.J. — Mirroring close ties between India and Israel, Jewish organizations have begun assisting Indian-American groups in their efforts to become a potent force in both domestic and foreign policy.
Leaders from the two communities have been coming together in recent months to discuss hate-crimes legislation and political activism. A major catalyst for the cooperation, however, is the perception that both communities face a common enemy in Muslim extremism.
Early this year, with Israel in its second year of fighting the Palestinian uprising and India in a tense military standoff with Pakistan over Muslim separatists in Kashmir, the two countries agreed to increase military cooperation. India and Israel have built a close economic and strategic relationship in recent years, with bilateral trade reaching $2 billion annually. At the same time, India has moved closer to the United States, especially in the areas of counter-terrorism and defense cooperation.
"We're fighting the same extremist enemy," said the capital region director of the American Jewish Congress, Charles Brooks, referring to Jews and Indian Americans. "We want to help them become more effective in communicating their political will."
Brooks is working closely with the Indian American Political Action Committee, or INAPAC, a new organization that has just been formed, primarily by Indian Americans from New Jersey. Brooks is helping the new organization develop relations with the U.S. Congress and other political leaders.
The American Israel Public Affairs Committee and the American Jewish Committee are also drawing on their considerable lobbying experience in helping Indian groups, representing a community of some 1.6 million, to learn how to flex their political muscle.
Last July, AJCommittee held a seminar on political activism in Washington for the Indian American Center for Political Awareness, an important Washington D.C.-based advocacy group.
"We shared with them the Jewish approach to political activism," said Ann Schaffer, the director of the AJCommittee's Belfer Center for American Pluralism. "We want to give them the tools to further their political agenda."
AJCommittee is planning a similar seminar on October 29 in New York City; 50-100 Indian-American activists are expected to attend. Several Indian Americans traveled to Israel last June as guests of the AJCommittee, meeting with a wide variety of Israeli government and military representatives. AJCommittee's executive director, David Harris, will address the National Federation of Indian American Associations' biannual conference next month, where he will speak on global terrorism and the relationship between India, Israel and the United States.
"India is building a close relationship with Israel and America, which we certainly want to encourage and support, because it's good for Israel and it's good for America," Schaffer said.
AIPAC representatives have offered advice to Indian groups, at conferences and informally. The pro-Israel lobbying group has shared its knowledge on how to lobby members of Congress and raise money, according to Jeffrey Colman, the organization's senior lobbyist. In addition, India's ambassador to the United States, Lalit Mansingh, attended a luncheon AIPAC hosted for 120 of its donors last April. "We can build a partnership, learn from each other, and both advance each other's agenda," Colman said.
"When India, Israel and the U.S. are under attack by extremists, there's a great deal of common ground and common interest in opposing them," Colman added. Although AIPAC is not currently working with Indian groups on advocating specific legislation, there could be such opportunities in the future, Colman added. "The Jewish community needs broad support for its issues and coalition-building is important to us," he said.
There is also room for cooperation on domestic issues, according to the representatives of the Indian and Jewish groups. Local AJCommittee chapters have worked with Indian groups on hate-crime and immigration issues. Jesal Amin, the chairman of the board of trustees of INAPAC, said he has worked with Jewish groups in combating hate crimes for over a decade.
Paul Goldenberg, president of The National Public Safety Learning Center, which consults with Jewish organizations on security matters, is now advising INAPAC on developing a hate-crimes policy and criteria for assessing political candidates' positions on the issue. Goldenberg, the former head of the New Jersey state attorney general's bias-crime unit, said he is also helping INAPAC encourage American law enforcement officials to work with their Indian counterparts in the war against terrorism. "People don't realize that India is at the forefront of the war against terrorism," Goldenberg said, referring to the country's problems with separatist Muslim militants in the disputed province of Kashmir.
Activists from both communities also see cultural affinities between them, including a heavy push for higher education and the professions. "We have made the American dream come true. Many Indians are professionals," Amin said. "One of the reasons for working together with the Jewish community is that we are so similar in terms of education, and from an economic point of view." Like Jewish Americans, Indian Americans are concentrated in several parts of the country, residing primarily in New York, New Jersey, Texas and California, Amin added, with most Indians arriving in America in the last decade.
All of the major New Jersey Indian-American cultural and business associations, as well as several such associations in New York, are backing INAPAC, Amin said. He added that the organization expected to raise some $90,000 at its first fund-raiser in two weeks. Sreenath Sreenivasan, a co-founder of the South Asian Journalists Association, said an organization with widespread support in New Jersey will have substantial clout within the Indian community.
INAPAC and the Indian American Center for Political Awareness, however, appear to differ on how closely they will cooperate with Jewish groups on international issues. Amin said that the terrorists who target Israel are interconnected with the Muslim terrorist groups operating elsewhere in the Middle East and South Asia, and indicated that his organization would work with Jewish organizations in backing anti-terrorism legislation and pro-Israel and pro-Indian candidates.
By contrast, Kapil Sharma, a consultant for the Indian American Center on Political Awareness, sees the situations in Israel and South Asia largely as separate issues. "We should be educated about each other's issues, so we can talk about Kashmir and Palestine, and challenge misconceptions about them when they arise, but we won't pick up each other's agendas, we won't be actively fighting for Israel," he said.
Colman, the AIPAC senior lobbyist who has worked with Sharma, said he wasn't bothered by Sharma's position, because "we're looking to work with them on common interests in a general way and we're not asking for their backing on specific legislation."
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hello,
Do you know anything about india.Ours is the secular country.Hindus and muslims are living in this country since 800 years.Except minor disputes we never had communal hatred lasting for years.
Jordan and Turkey both muslim countries do more buisness with Israel than india does with Israel.Don't spread false propaganda.
Posted by: Manga Gangasani at March 15, 2003 09:05 PM
dear manga gangasani,
maybe you dont know nething bout india.hindus and muslims neverstayed in india together for 800 years.hindus stayed under muslims for 800 years.try reading about the history of your country before putting up any comments.jai hind
Posted by: naresh at March 29, 2003 01:17 PM
Dear Manga,
I agree with Naresh. Try to have the basic minimum knowledge about history before choosing friends and enemies. Don't worry about Turkey and Jordan, but Israel helped us more than all arab countries put together during the Kargil episode. Instead of sentiment and sympathy guiding our blind support for arab causes(who have never returned the favor vis-a-vis Pakistan) let's be realistic in our approach and basic common knowledge would say that we have to support Israel at any cost!
Posted by: Sanjiv Kaul at April 7, 2003 02:47 PM
The Islamic atrocities on Hindu people has been systematically wiped out from Indian History by Communists and so called secularists. It should be noted when ever we had riot in India, it was always started first by muslims latests being Godhra incident in which numerous Hindus were brunt alive by Muslims without any provocation and the persistant failure of so called secularists and the Muslim intelligensia to condemn them has to be carefully thougth about??? Like Jews , Hindus have always been oppressed during last thousand years of Islamic Rule, this common bondage of oppression makes us natural allies.
Posted by: Sandip Bhadury at May 11, 2003 03:26 PM
Hey Manga,
What form of Afghan heroin are you shooting up your veins huh??? Are you Indian??? Do you have any idea of the atrocities committed by radical, moderate, and even liberal Muslims over the past 1200 years against the Hindu populations? Oh I get it … your one of those Mira Nair bitches –you know the kind of Hindu slut that loves Muslim **** --- go **** yourself you Muslim loving whore … it is estimated by Western historians that during a 500 year period from the 11th to the 16th centuries, 180 MILLION Hindus (this includes Sikhs, Buddhists, and Jains) were systematically massacred by Muslim rulers and invaders. The “secular” Muslim Mughal ruler of India, Akbar –oh, he had a policy of killing anywhere from 30,000 to 100,000 Hindu Rajputs any given day … I can only imagine the number of Hindus murdered by “Islamists” such as Babar and Mahmud of Ghazni. I wonder if your Muslim-cocksucking- ignorant about Indian history – prick *** has any idea that the Hindu Kush mountains are translated into English as “Hindu Slaughter,” “Hindu Killer,” or “ Killing of Hindus” – legend has it that the Afghans used to butcher and enslave millions of Hindus there. 180 million Hindus dead … and you think we have no enmity with them. The Sikhs are the original military wing of Hinduism, founded solely to confront the Muslim persecution of the Hindus. “Sikh” translates to disciple, but is more accurately defined as “soldier,” they were the eldest sons of Hindu families who were organized to battle the Muslim Mughals … do a little research … you dumb whore! A whole nation of people was defined because of Hindu-Muslim enmity! Where else has that happened?
You are right … we, the Indians (Hindu, Sikh, etc.) DO NOT have any ill will against the Muslims or against Islam … actually Hindus accept Islam and respect Muslims … they just hate us because we’re “kaffirs” –even you’re a kaffir, no matter how much Muslim cum you swallow … If you ever go to India you will notice that the Hindu and Muslim communities tend to be segregated … Old Delhi is Muslim, New Delhi is Hindu … and by the way, don’t forget that the Muslims of India consider themselves “Pakistani” … they never refer to themselves as strictly “Indians” … 15 % of India’s population is Muslim … 2 % of India’s military is Muslim …Indian Muslims chose to fight in Afghanistan in the 1980s and Bosnia in the 1990s, yet the forget to fight for their own homeland …
I, like every other Indian, have a great deal of respect for Islam and the Muslim community … no really, I do. However, for me to forget what my ancestors lived through … to forget that my grandmother trekked from Lahore to Amritsar in 1947 with a baby (my father) in her arms … to forget that Gobind Singh, his father, and his four sons were all killed fighting the Muslims so that we today can be Hindu or Sikh or Buddhist … no I cannot dishonor those memories … the truth my dear Manga is that the Muslims have always considered us as infidels … and I for one will not forget my history. Hey, you sit there and preach that we live in peace with them, what peace? Go to India and experience first hand your foolish vision of “Hindu-Muslim unity” …. You dumb ignorant *****, if it wasn’t for my people, the Sikhs, you’d be wearing a burka and facing Mecca right now … don’t disrespect my peoples’ history.
Posted by: Mad Max at June 3, 2003 04:05 PM
Namaste dear friends from Israel,
After going through the high sounding, vituperative comments of Mad Max (a true Sikh never writes in disguise!), I find myself totally uttered - I have nothing more to say. I must say that it's very hard to change the Muslim mindset. They are so obsessed with their faith and the beloved, last prophet that all their misdeeds seem to them as golden guides to elysium. One person, who I think, should be blamed for all the massive violence that is so very rampant in most parts of the world and that has been more conspicuously bedevilling the two brotherly countries India and Israel, is none other than the bloody Prophet Muhammad Bin Mustafa himself. Muslims say Peace Be Upon Him (Sal Illlah Ho Walai He Wassalam) - but he was the person who foisted hate and poison into his community through well articulated, self-created Koran. I have myself read Koran and have found its Allah sometimes speaking in first person and sometime in third person. And Koran is the book of God!
Islam means "peace" - how many "kafirs" like us would take that for granted? Isn't it a classic example of narcissm!
I strongly feel, that non-Muslims should aggresively campaign against the paranoid vituperations of Muhammad and let the Muslims understand the true meaning of peace (Islam).
Posted by: Chinmoy Kumar at June 14, 2003 03:11 AM
No where in the world majority community is treated like Muslims treated Hindus in Godhra train fire, Gujarat, India. We lost our freedom number of times because of people with communist and so called self declared secular mentality. This decease is still there in India. We had first Muslim terrorist in India in 700 AD, and still today it is going on. Muslims are not coming with flowers and goodwill, but invaded with their lust of power. They thrashed Hindu temples and then criminally constructed new mosques. Hindus will prefer to break rather than to bend. Earlier messages explained the social and humanity level of Muslims. Those who call Muslims as Pease loving people is sounding as ridiculous and laughable as appointment of Bin Laden and Saddam Hussein as life time chiefs of CIA and FBI respectively. The people want to discuss of root cause of present problems in the world --- and that is Muslims. Is Muslims having good relation with people of other religions? From the centuries, Muslims are fighting with Christian, Jews and Hindus. Is they want Islamic supremacy? They will never succeed
Hindus and Jews should join hands to fight Islamic terror. Hindus should learn from our history, and always remember that, strength respect strength. We should feel proud to have Israel with us. Hindus are peaceful people until we are not disturbed. We never spread Hinduism in other countries. Jews also hate to spread religion by force or even by any other means on the name of charity, for charity religion doesn’t matter. After 55 years of India’s independence there is no trust between Hindus and muslims. Muslims are living India but, eating Indian food but thinking in and out about Pakistan. Does Indian Muslims have any respect in Pakistan? One must remember respect national importance, respect others religion. Where are the Hindus in Pakistan? India has got respect due to its tolerance and spirituality. But, this tolerance certificate is awarded to India on the dead bodies millions of Hindus who sacrificed their life due to Muslim attacks. Our tolerance is now regarded as weakness. Hindus were at receiving end, and world is saying Hindus are tolerant. Ties with Israel will give us self-confidence. What is the use of certificate of tolerance for Indians? Of course respect is not demanded it is commanded by behavior, does Muslims will learn this? Self declared secular Hindus and Muslims should learn the history and writings on the wall. Because peace and love should not be one sided.
Posted by: hindustani at July 6, 2003 05:33 AM
