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West will share responsibility for devastation of south Lebanon (Vic Rosenthal)


Vic Rosenthal's weekly column:


Recently we’ve been hearing — both from Hezbollah and Israel — about the massive installations the terrorist group has been building just across the Lebanese border with Israel, and what will happen when war breaks out.

Omri Ceren of The Israel Project explains:

They’ve taken their arsenal – 100,000+ rockets including Burkan rockets with half-ton warheads, ballistic missiles including Scud-Ds that can hit all of Israel, supersonic advanced anti-ship cruise missiles, anti-aircraft assets, drones and mini drones, tunnels, etc. – and embedded it across hundreds of villages and probably thousands of homes. …

The Israelis can’t afford a war of attrition with Hezbollah. The Iran-backed terror group has the ability to saturation bomb Israeli civilians with 1,500 projectiles a day, every day, for over two months. They will try to bring down Tel Aviv’s skyscrapers with ballistic missiles. They will try to fly suicide drones into Israel’s nuclear reactor. They will try to detonate Israel’s off-shore energy infrastructure. They will try to destroy Israeli military and civilian runways. And – mainly but not exclusively through their tunnels – they will try to overrun Israeli towns and drag away women and children as hostages. Israeli casualties would range in the thousands to tens of thousands.

And so the Israelis will have to mobilize massive force to shorten the duration of a future war. One of the things they’ll do is immediately is move to eliminate as much of Hezbollah’s vast arsenal as possible. Hezbollah is counting on the resulting deaths of their human shields – and they’ve guaranteed to that the body count will be significant – to turn Israel into an international pariah.​

Hezbollah has adopted the most extreme form of the human shield strategy pioneered by Hamas in Gaza. The IDF will be forced to choose between killing thousands, perhaps tens of thousands, of Lebanese civilians and seeing its own country laid waste.

Until recently, a strategy like Hezbollah’s would have been considered ludicrous. When the RAF Bomber Command and the USAAF devastated Germany toward the end of WWII, it wasn’t even a question of collateral damage — civilians were a large part of the target. Sir Charles Portal of the RAF issued a directive in 1943 to combined British and US air forces that

Your primary object will be the progressive destruction and dislocation of the German military, industrial, and economic system and the undermining of the morale of the German people to a point where their capacity for armed resistance is fatally weakened.​

But times have changed. Although I do not think that the legalities involved have changed much since then, such “morale bombing” would be considered morally indefensible by most people today. So we can expect that when the next war does start, and when Israel bombs Hezbollah installations in South Lebanon with an unavoidably great loss of civilian life, there will be outcries against Israel for its brutality. There are a few things we should keep in mind:

First, the IDF response to a Hezbollah rocket attack — and it will be a response, not a preemptive attack — will have as its objective the neutralization of rocket launchers, attack tunnels, and other military targets. Unlike the allied air raids over Germany and Japan, civilian casualties will be entirely collateral damage, not part of the objective.

This means that the requirement of proportionality found in the international law of war, that the use of force that could cause collateral damage be limited to what is necessary to achieve a military objective, will be met as long as the IDF attacks military targets rather than bombing indiscriminately, doesn’t use WMD, etc.

But even if it’s legal, isn’t it wrong to kill innocent civilians, women and children who happen to be in the wrong place at the wrong time?

There is certainly a moral evil here, but even though the immediate cause of the catastrophe will be the IDF, what Aristotle called the “final cause” — the ‘for what’ that an event occurs — is Hezbollah’s intention to deter Israel from defending herself. The civilians who will be hurt are deliberately intermingled with military targets, just in order to act as human shields.

In a 2013 article, Ron Ben-Yishai described one way Hezbollah implemented its strategy after its 2006 war with Israel:

…the Shiite terror group launched a major social/real-estate project that bolstered its political standing: It purchased lands on the outskirts of the villages, built homes on these lands and offered them to poor Shiite families at bargain prices (to rent or buy), one the condition that at least one rocket launcher would be placed in one of the house’s rooms or in the basement, along with a number of rockets, which will be fired at predetermined targets in Israel when the order is given.​

There can be no doubt of Hezbollah’s intentions, and thus no doubt of its responsibility if these families suffer. Israel’s reaction, on the other hand, is morally justified as an application of the principle of self-defense. That is, it is because of their actions that we are forced to choose between causing massive civilian casualties or suicide.

The use of human shields is not only morally reprehensible, it is illegal according to the 1949 Geneva Conventions and other statutes of international law. Of course, the asymmetric warfare strategies used by terrorist organizations like Hezbollah, Hamas, ISIS, etc. deliberately contravene international law, which gives them an advantage over nations like Israel that are bound by these principles.

This leads to the absurd consequence that the more a nation tries to behave morally and legally, the more of its advantage it gives up. Further, the more technologically advanced a nation is, the more it is expected to use its technology to protect the enemy population. Quite a change from the past, when military technology was only used to kill and terrorize.

It has also created a de facto alliance between the barbarians of Hezbollah and Hamas and sophisticated, supposedly morally conscious Western leaders.

Israel has been fighting an information war in parallel with its military conflicts. Its enemies in this non-violent but ultimately deadly struggle include not only the Arabs and Iranians, but Europe, the UN and the Obama Administration (usually through intermediates such as “human rights” NGOs). Their objective has been to promulgate the idea that the IDF deliberately targets civilians, acts disproportionately and with unnecessary brutality.

Once implanted, this false perception can be rolled out at the time of military conflict and deployed in international fora and by governments (e.g., the arms embargo applied by the US during last year’s Gaza conflict) to justify actions that limit Israel’s ability to defend herself. The EU and Mr. Obama will not launch any rockets against Israel, but they will do what they can to force her to absorb those fired by the terrorists.

It is a sign of Western moral weakness and reality inversion that instead of taking the difficult path of preventing the Hezbollah buildup after 2006, as promised, it joined the infowar against Israel. In a real sense, the West will share responsibility with the terrorists for the devastation of southern Lebanon that is sure to come.

Israel will take the actions it must to survive, despite the hypocritical cries that will be heard from those that have been building the case for the terrorists all along. And, to paraphrase Naftali Bennett, there will be no reason to apologize.

Solomon2 comment: if Pakistanis denounced such strategies today it would be much more difficult for Hezbollah to engage in child sacrifice tomorrow, wouldn't it? By not doing so you're saying that terror is acceptable - and thus you empower the terrorists at home as well, especially those who claim they are fighting "Zionists". So it's Pakistanis' responsibility as well, not just the West.
 
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Pakistan wants nothing to do with this mess -
I second that ...

I know that's how Pakistanis feel. What I'm saying is THAT'S THE PROBLEM!!!

Values are what you fight for. If you don't fight to assert the values you want, either someone else has to or else someone is going to fight in opposition to those values. Fail to publicly stand against Hezbollah's criminal methods of warfighting and you're endorsing those same methods at home. And by doing it now, ahead of the shooting, Pakistanis may be able to avert such a needlessly devastating conflict in the first place. So why are you looking the other way?
 
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As I have always said, the next war that Hezbollah/Iran starts, will mean the end of Southern Lebanon. It will be a scorched earth with no signs of life.

And this is what Israel HAS to do, in order to survive.

The question is, are the Iranians prepared to sacrifice thousands of civilians for their regional goals? well, I think we already have the answer to that in Yemen & Syria.
 
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I know that's how Pakistanis feel. What I'm saying is THAT'S THE PROBLEM!!!

Values are what you fight for. If you don't fight to assert the values you want, either someone else has to or else someone is going to fight in opposition to those values. Fail to publicly stand against Hezbollah's criminal methods of warfighting and you're endorsing those same methods at home. And by doing it now, ahead of the shooting, Pakistanis may be able to avert such a needlessly devastating conflict in the first place. So why are you looking the other way?

to defend one's white shirt; one stays away from coal.
Similar is the case with values and morals.

Only Palestinians can deal with their own type; like Egyptians, and like Pakistanis.
Best to let everyone do so.
 
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to defend one's white shirt; one stays away from coal.
Similar is the case with values and morals.
If you truly believe that, then you probably believe everyone in the world has corrupted morals. For what you describe is the difference between asserting values and merely keeping up appearances: Pakistanis like yourself as tempting food for the likes of ISIS and the Taliban.

Only Palestinians can deal with their own type; like Egyptians, and like Pakistanis.
Best to let everyone do so.
Non sequitur.
 
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I know that's how Pakistanis feel. What I'm saying is THAT'S THE PROBLEM!!!

Values are what you fight for. If you don't fight to assert the values you want, either someone else has to or else someone is going to fight in opposition to those values. Fail to publicly stand against Hezbollah's criminal methods of warfighting and you're endorsing those same methods at home. And by doing it now, ahead of the shooting, Pakistanis may be able to avert such a needlessly devastating conflict in the first place. So why are you looking the other way?

I think like Sinnerman said we need to pull back from ME. We need to focus on Pakistan, sort out terrorism and the economy. I think Pakistan has got involved in too much of what goes on in ME and just bought ourseves whole heap of problems.The Arabs and Iranians have oil to fall back and you guy's have America to fall back but we have to stand on our feet.

And if you think being in ME with all hostile states is tough ever thought about us? We have second largest country almost swallowing us. We face a 7:1 ratio toward India which has a population of 1,260 compared to China 1,300 thus for all intents and purposes same as India. Isreal has USA to help her when she is in trouble. We from past experiance face India alone. Suddenly our Arab friends are conspicious by their absence.

So time to rationalize and prioritize. I am glad we did not get involved in Yeman.

We wish well and peace to all. That is my two cents on the matter ....
 
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I think like Sinnerman said we need to pull back from ME. We need to focus on Pakistan, sort out terrorism and the economy. I think Pakistan has got involved in too much of what goes on in ME and just bought ourseves whole heap of problems.
Yup. And asserting simple human values over criminal terrorist ones will be an important step.

And if you think being in ME with all hostile states is tough ever thought about us? We have second largest country almost swallowing us. We face a 7:1 ratio toward India which has a population of 1,260 compared to China 1,300 thus for all intents and purposes same as India.
Of course. My first introduction to Pakistani affairs was when Pakistani diplomats bared all in my living room in 1971. But you misunderstand the Indian threat. The Indians are not out to conquer Pakistan. They are instead quite content to drive you crazy - to keep you that way now that you are. The more Pakistan fails the greater India's moral legitimacy.

We from past experiance face India alone. Suddenly our Arab friends are conspicious by their absence.
Don't exaggerate. Pakistan has received huge amounts of military aid for decades. It's when Pakistan decides that it's more interested in conquest than defense that the U.S. has reservations.

So time to rationalize and prioritize. I am glad we did not get involved in Yeman.
It looks like an impressive step forward in democratic decision-making but I've been thinking the military decision came first and the political one as "cover" afterward.

We wish well and peace to all
. That is my two cents on the matter ....
Then you have to denounce Hezbollah's plans to utilize Lebanese as human shields. Otherwise war will come there - and you'll be endorsing much the same sort of war in Pakistan, too.
 
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So Pakistan was squeezed into the title by non other than our obsessed @Solomon2 :pop:
West will share responsibility for devastation of south Lebanon (Vic Rosenthal)

$100 q spot the difference:

West [and Pakistan] will share responsibility for devastation of south Lebanon (Vic Rosenthal)


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West will share responsibility for devastation of south Lebanon (Vic Rosenthal)



Solomon2 comment: if Pakistanis denounced such strategies today it would be much more difficult for Hezbollah to engage in child sacrifice tomorrow, wouldn't it? By not doing so you're saying that terror is acceptable - and thus you empower the terrorists at home as well, especially those who claim they are fighting "Zionists". So it's Pakistanis' responsibility as well, not just the West.


And what will take for israel to stop killing children with "advanced" weapons? :pop:
 
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And what will take for israel to stop killing children with "advanced" weapons? :pop:
The sooner Pakistanis denounce Hezbollah's plans to employ children as human shields the better. Eating popcorn as you advocate, you're endorsing it, anticipating the deadly show.

So Pakistan was squeezed into the title by non other than our obsessed Solomon2
That's what the brackets were for, to delineate the article title with my separate commentary below.
 
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Eating popcorn as you advocate, you're endorsing it, anticipating the deadly show.
Endorsing? Sure for israel to stop murdering!

That's what the brackets were for, to delineate the article title with my separate commentary below.
You can put that in your post not in title!
 
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Yup. And asserting simple human values over criminal terrorist ones will be an important step.

Of course. My first introduction to Pakistani affairs was when Pakistani diplomats bared all in my living room in 1971. But you misunderstand the Indian threat. The Indians are not out to conquer Pakistan. They are instead quite content to drive you crazy - to keep you that way now that you are. The more Pakistan fails the greater India's moral legitimacy.

Don't exaggerate. Pakistan has received huge amounts of military aid for decades. It's when Pakistan decides that it's more interested in conquest than defense that the U.S. has reservations.

It looks like an impressive step forward in democratic decision-making but I've been thinking the military decision came first and the political one as "cover" afterward.

Then you have to denounce Hezbollah's plans to utilize Lebanese as human shields. Otherwise war will come there - and you'll be endorsing much the same sort of war in Pakistan, too.

Wrong.
Indians or should I see Indians religious elite have a problem.
Their whole dominance was based on race;
the questions of race, and the mahabharata has to be solved ..
 
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