We will pay back India in its own coin, says Pakistan Defence Minister

[Thorough Pro]

That's what we do, isn't that why your kin are crying

Of course - that's what he will say - any defence minister of any country would say that. Everyone knows the template of threats both countries keep issuing each other.

Only the dead ones.

Is there any Pakistani out there who can't use guns

 

[blain2]

Pakistan reacts viciously at borders with india but surrenders to the UN aka US. This is Pakistan's way.

One could say the same about BD. They talk tough with Myanmar and when it comes to India, take a different tact. Why is that?

Pakistan has lost every conflict it ever started with India. "Do more" and Pakistan may end up with less: less population, less territory, less respect, and a lesser army.

What is a loss? Regurgitation of less than facts does not help. There are many here who have spent years looking back at what these conflicts were and they don't reduce the outcomes to such simplistic statements like "Pakistan has lost every conflict". Had Pakistan lost every conflict, then there would not be an ongoing conflict today. Most nations don't recover from one war they lose, here you are claiming that Pakistan lost not one, not two but all its wars! All I can say about this is that if Pakistan has lost every conflict, then so has India because had that not been the case, we would not be going through pages upon pages and threads upon threads on this issue.

 

[T-Rex]

One could say the same about BD. They talk tough with Myanmar and when it comes to India, take a different tact. Why is that?

In BD we have a puppet regime but is this the case in Pakistan too? Are Pakistan and BD in the same league? Pakistan has over 200 nukes, nuclear delivery systems and solid Chinese backing? What does BD have? India's dictation and high-way robbery. We expect Pakistan to clearly stand up to the unfair US demands because Pakistan has the means to protect herself from the US.

 

[BABA AGHORI]

So India will carry out another fake "Sir Jee Kal Strike" , Sometimes I feel pity for them, it must be really agonizing to know you are being bullied by a neighbor who is 7x times smaller than you in every aspect, and all you can do is lip servicing.

More than 7 times in nearly every aspect now.. and the gap is increasing.

 

[Rahil khan]

Is Pakistan having defense minister?

1st time, I heard his name.... Till army chief only...

Good Morning...Stop watching Dur Darshan....!

 

[LuCiFeR_DeCoY]

I will not be surprised if Indian attacks on school or hospital as Indians are cowards.

 

[war&peace]

Pakistan has lost every conflict it ever started with India. "Do more" and Pakistan may end up with less: less population, less territory, less respect, and a lesser army.

Gather your ashes and get lost you pathetic pathological zionist...

 

[Sankpal]

Good Morning...Stop watching Dur Darshan....!

No, unlike you I never follow PTV and local Indian news channels.

I like to watch and read international news if i get time.

 

[mkiyani]

let the war begin !! haha lolz ... india will not directly attack Pakistan army they don't have the guts to fight them face to face they will use proxies... coz they know they will get their aASa beat in direct confrontation.. lets c how they attack...

 

[Jugger]

let the war begin !! haha lolz ... india will not directly attack Pakistan army they don't have the guts to fight them face to face they will use proxies... coz they know they will get their aASa beat in direct confrontation.. lets c how they attack...

Yeah just like in the past..!
Pakistani victories on India was absolute and crushing.

 

[Taimoor Khan]

Pakistan has lost every conflict it ever started with India. "Do more" and Pakistan may end up with less: less population, less territory, less respect, and a lesser army.

The green part was merged as the federation of Pakistan in the war of 1948 with India.

As you can appreciate , you can fit many Israel in it.


Educate your kind, you lot are highly ignorant.

 

[Solomon2]

The green part was merged as the federation of Pakistan in the war of 1948 with India...

Didn't think the Partition War counted but you are right, it was Pakistan that started it. Though perhaps Pakistanis lost more spiritually and in political freedoms than they gained in territory, don't you think?

 

[T-Rex]

Didn't think the Partition War counted but you are right, it was Pakistan that started it. Though perhaps Pakistanis lost more spiritually and in political freedoms than they gained in territory, don't you think?

'Lost spiritually but gained territory' it's your crap!

 

[BABA AGHORI]

let the war begin !! haha lolz ... india will not directly attack Pakistan army they don't have the guts to fight them face to face they will use proxies... coz they know they will get their aASa beat in direct confrontation.. lets c how they attack...

Yes, we will say, they are mujahids like one in Kargil.

 

[Reichsmarschall]

Yes, we will say, they are mujahids like one in Kargil.

Go along with your Chadi Batallion and Liberate these Occupied Peaks talking shit on internet isnt going to do any good
Pakistan still occupies key Drass point





Praveen Swami

DRASS, Aug. 10

PAKISTAN soldiers perched at peak 5,353 metres, on the strategic Marpo La Ridge had a grandstand view of this year's Vijay Diwas celebrations, marking the official end of the Kargil war. At least some of them must had wry smiles on their faces, for altho ugh peak 5,353 metres is inside the Indian side of the Line of Control (LoC), Pakistani troops held the mountain through the Kargil war and continue to do so today.

Artillery observers on peak 5,353 metres can direct accurate artillery fire on to up to 20 km of the National Highway 1A, and cripple Indian defensive positions from Mushkoh to Bhimbet. Indian troops are being forced to compensate for this tactical blund er by engaging in a series of operations in the Batalik sector.

Pakistani occupation of point 5353 means Operation Vijay's core objective in Drass, securing the highway, in effect failed. Officials in New Delhi attempt to argue that point 5353 is in an ambiguous location on the Line of Control, and that there are two peaks of the same height which are being confused, claims debunked by copies of the Army's own maps which are in Business Line's possession.

Senior Army commanders in Drass are just as evasive. Asked if Pakistan was indeed in occupation of the peak, 8 Mountain Division Commander Major General Satnam Singh replied that it was ``too early to say''. Asked again, Gen. Singh said he would ``provid e authentic information'' during this correspondent's ``next trip''. The strange story of peak 5353 began with the end of Operation Vijay, and the proclamation of a national triumph at Kargil.

Point 5353, like the features around it, had been occupied by Pakistani troops at the start of the Kargil war. Indian soldiers, however, were nowhere near its summit when hostilities were pronounced to have ended. All that had been achieved was the occup ation of two secondary positions on the Marpo La ridge line, Charlie 6 and Charlie 7. Pakistani troops also remained on point 5240, some 1,200 metres as the crow flies from point 5353. 56 Brigade Commander Amar Aul, in charge of the operations to secure point 5353, responded by occupying two heights on the Pakistani side of the LoC, 4875 and 4251, just before the ceasefire came into force.

Com. Aul's tactics, evidently under political pressure to bring about as quick an end to hostilities as possible, were designed to secure a subsequent territorial exchange. In mid-August, 1999, his efforts to bring about a deal bore fruit. Extended negot iations between the Brigadier and a Pakistani interlocutor, who called himself Colonel Saqlain, led to both sides committing themselves to leave points 5353, 5240, 4251 and 4875 unoccupied.

Both Indian and Pakistani troops were now pulled back to their pre-Kargil position, leaving an arial distance of about a kilometre between the armies along most of the Marpo La ridge. The deal wasn't ideal, for point 5353 was of enormously more strategic importance to India than either 4251 or 4875 were for Pakistan, but it was better than nothing.

Towards the end of October, things began to go horribly wrong. Commander Aul tasked the 16 Grenadiers to take point 5240 and the 1-3 Gurkha Rifles to occupy 5353, choosing to violate the August agreement rather than risk the prospect that Pakistan might reoccupy these positions again. While the 16 Grenadiers attack proceeded as planned, despite bad weather, the 1-3 Gurkha Rifles, for reasons which are still not clear, never made their way up 5353. When Pakistani troops detected the Indian presence on 52 40, they promptly launched a counter assault on 5353. Seven days later, in early November, the Grenadiers unit on 5240 watched Pakistan take up positions on the more important peak.

Pakistan moved rapidly to consolidate its position on 5353. Concrete bunkers came up on the peak, and a road was constructed to the base of the peak from Benazir Post, Pakistan's most important permanent position in the area. In the meanwhile, Commander Aul considered plans to retake the peak. He didn't have much choice. India's positions on 5240 were under threat, along with positions of the 2 Naga in Mushkoh, the 2 Grenadiers in Drass, and the 8 Sikh in Bhimbet. Offensives were discussed in January an d February this year, and again in May and August, but had to be abandoned each time because of the risks involved.

With 5353 and its adjoining area now linked by road to Pakistan's rear headquarters at Gultari, and defensive positions heavily fortified, any frontal attack would mean a full-blown resumption of hostilities in Drass.

The Army's tactics in Kargil now appear to centre around forcing a territorial swap for 5353. The worst of the fighting has come in the Batalik area, to the east of Kargil, where Indian troops have been ordered to take any unoccupied positions they disco ver on the Pakistan side of the LoC.

In one such operation on April 8, a company of the 14 Sikh Regiment occupied point 5310, an unheld peak roughly one kilometre air distance on the Pakistan side of the LoC. Subedar Bhatnam Singh and one soldier were killed in an avalanche during the opera tion.

Pakistan retaliation has been prompt. On the night of July 27, a group of 24 porters and four soldiers carrying material for an offensive from Gol Tekri to Rock Fall, facing the key Chorbat La range, were ambushed by Pakistani troops or irregulars. One p orter was killed, and three are still missing, presumed dead. There is little doubt that the Pakistani ambush was laid deep in Indian territory for Kalashnikov empties, with a short range, were recovered from the ambush site. The incident followed the de struction, in May, of a new Pakistani post with a shoulder-held missile.

While the Union Government's propaganda on the Kargil War has allowed it to score propaganda points, the end of the conflict is, clearly, not quite yet in sight.




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