Ahmer Rana
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AmeenAllah Altaf ko is kay jism say freedom day dy (ameen)
akhir yeah kab tak fighting kerta rahay ga.. is say ziyada frog kitna phool sakta hai..
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AmeenAllah Altaf ko is kay jism say freedom day dy (ameen)
akhir yeah kab tak fighting kerta rahay ga.. is say ziyada frog kitna phool sakta hai..
In Pakistan it's pretty simple......... some not-so-bright person in one of the "agencies" has a brain fart and decides to form a new gang / group / political party #B on sectarian / nationalist lines to get rid of small problem #A...... then the same genius tries to pit problem #C with #B and when nothing works, they have comfortable fall back position known as Martians, Centurians, Reptilians or our favorite RA&W..... well, the funny thing is, you do EXACTLY the same.. did you forget the venus probes or the pigeon recently?
Well, that's the naked truth. Don't know if many of us can swallow the fact!
@Irfan Baloch , can we swallow it?
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Well, that's the naked truth. Don't know if many of us can swallow the fact!
@Irfan Baloch , can we swallow it?
A leader of an ethnic political party in Karachi which ha been accused of ethnic killing of pashtun,baloch,sindhis and punjabis in karachi by rivals
Altaf Hussain's statement against army, claiming himself a "freedom fighter".
"DG Rangers and Kernal Tahir 'become children of human'. You (Army) would have to offer Qassas and Deyat and without it nothing will proceed, even if they bring entire Airforce, entire Navy or destroy every area through bombardment; we are freedom fighters."
Okay this was "quaid-e-tehree" and a leader of "political-party" in Pakistan. How much does he think he will get away after challanging state and claiming himself "freedom-fighters"? So who are they fighting against? and for what cause? Corrption? Terrorism? Target-Killing? Becoming subjects of RAW?
This baboon has seen his days. May Allah curse him and all those who follow this insane despite knowing what he is and what he is doing.
ok my sir my opologies again ... ab khush
now what about the other quesytions i raised in that post ?
is that you could no read them or is that you dont want to talk about them ?
yaar tune to dil shayranaa ker diya
le ek sher sun mera nahi hai per daadd jaroor dena
ishq mujhko nahi wehshat hi hai meree wehshat teri shohrat hi sahi .... baki baat samjh aaye to is nachees ko duan me yaad zaroor rakhna
do you realli think im surprised ?First things first, it is Zaroor and not Jaroor. Arey miaN b agar Urdu bolni hay to theek say to bolo.
Phir zara is Ghazal kay shayr ki zara drusti bhi karlo:
ishq mujhko nahi wehshat hi hai (sahi)
meree wehshat teri shohrat hi sahi
And I have already replied about how the geo-politics and national interests end-up in having very strange bed fellows.
Like Americans with Mujahideen, ISIS etc. Nato and West with Chechians, Indians with TTP or Mukti Bahini, Russians with Irani or Syrians ...etc etc.
So why are you surprised?
this toad is going gone gone!!!!!Allah Altaf ko is kay jism say freedom day dy (ameen)
akhir yeah kab tak fighting kerta rahay ga.. is say ziyada frog kitna phool sakta hai..
Murderer, gangster, recieving money from a country we have had three wars with, a country we presently have nuclear shield against. We have made multiple reports from various Pak agencies of MQM links with India - Only few months back we had Sindh senior Police officer saying he had information that MQM was involved with India.
Then we have had BBC report - Now he himself says he is freedom fighter on behalf ( India ? ) this is as good a self declaration of "high treason" you can get ?
And this guy is a leader of MQM a major political party in Pakistan ...........??????
do you realli think im surprised ?
man your nation and its elite has become so predictable that all calculations about you always find the right slots but thats a diffrent story right now im a bit too "ashikana" specialli after some one mentioned about "naked & swallow"
you said you are on fast and here you are talking about "swollowing"
man i must get home early today
Guru bhaido you realli think im surprised ?
man your nation and its elite has become so predictable that all calculations about you always find the right slots but thats a diffrent story right now im a bit too "ashikana" specialli after some one mentioned about "naked & swallow"
Bhai sahab itnay emotional kyu ho gaey .. i was merely refering to MQM operation and questioning the timing why now .. thats allwhy why why
why PPP and PMLn not finsih the Karachi operation back then?
why why why
why Red Mosque administration is allowed to mock the APS victims and praise ISIS
why ASWJ is allowed to stage rallies in front of the parliament declaring shais kafir and promising their genocide
why Zardari is allowed to smuggle money out of the country
why those baloch terrorists are called brothers who stop buses and march people out and execute them on the road side?
why why why
thanks broGuru bhai
lets keep it clean
here is a good link related to the topic. Hot off the press.
The politics of fear - Newspaper - DAWN.COM
The politics of fear
Cyril Almeida — Updated about 2 hours ago
TO the average, apolitical observer, the politics of Sindh makes little sense. MQM in Karachi, Hyderabad; PPP in interior Sindh — it adds up to quite the horror show.
Sure, the mercenary politics of Punjab, the tribalism of Balochistan and the ruthlessness of the Peshawar valley have their own peculiarities. But what the heck is up with Sindh?
Now that the boys have decided to take on cleaning up Sindh a bit, that question is being asked in nuanced and glib ways. The nuanced variation is, what’s the endgame here?
Any which way you look at it, even if you factor in decapitation, it’s not like the MQM and the PPP will simply dissolve under pressure.
Any which way you look at it, even if you factor in decapitation, it’s not like the MQM and the PPP will simply dissolve under pressure.
But then, if you unpack what is being attempted, at its core it amounts to a re-engineering of the two parties. After all, if the baseline is the elimination or surgical separation of the MQM’s militant wing, would not that cause the party itself to collapse?
And if the baseline with the PPP is choking off Asif and Faryal’s epic plunder, would that not fundamentally alter the party set-up in Sindh? Hence, the nuanced question: what’s the endgame here? IE do the boys really know what they’re doing?
The glib variation is, why are the MQM and PPP so impervious to disaster?
Punjab swaps its mercenaries around; the Peshawar valley has swung MMA, ANP and PTI in three successive elections; hell, even Balochistan mixes up its winning permutation of sardars and tribals from election to election.
But no matter what the MQM does to Karachi and Hyderabad and no matter what the PPP does to Sindh, they get voted in — 90pc Karachi, Hyderabad to MQM; 60pc interior Sindh to PPP.
It’s manifestly self-defeating — and yet, the vote is real and not significantly coerced. Sure, the MQM pads its seat count through brute force and the PPP has its regressive landowners, but a great deal of the support for both parties is genuine.
Perhaps though the nuanced and the glib questions have a common answer: Sindh is about the politics of fear. A double-layered fear, the first of the Mohajirs within Sindh and the second of the Sindhis within the federation. Fear — and look away now if you’re a supporter of either — is perhaps the essence of the MQM and the PPP vote banks.
There is no one history of the Mohajir in Sindh. Even between the neighbours Karachi and Hyderabad the trajectories were different and the responses to religious, liberal and nationalist influences varied. But if time can be measured in Sindh — post-Partition Sindh, that is — there is the pre-language riots and the post-language riots of the early 1970s.
The language dispute pit the educated, plugged-into-the-state-apparatus, job-holding, middle-class Mohajir against a new, eternal rival: the newly educated, wanting-to-plug-into-the-state-apparatus, white-collar-job-seeking, rising-middle-class Sindhi.
Curiously, Altaf’s great contribution was to paper over this rivalry. Altaf’s brand of Mohajir nationalism centred, originally, not on suspicion of Sindhis, but on anti-settlerism, ie anti-Punjab, anti-Pakhtun.
But that recalibration couldn’t hide the basic dynamic: the Mohajirs needed a strong, muscular, singular party to protect their jobs, to protect the resources they commanded, to protect their place in the provincial pecking order and to protect the Mohajir’s image of himself.
Minus the MQM, there is really no one to prevent a siphoning off of resources from the Mohajir to the Sindhi and the Sindhi potentially squashing the Mohajir. Many a Sindhi would scoff at that possibility, but that’s the thing about fear: it responds to what is imagined, not what is likely.
Which is why, much as you can find disquiet within the MQM’s support base at the party’s long slide towards a mafia-esque existence, the supporter remains loyal: the Mohajir needs the MQM more than perhaps the MQM needs the Mohajir.
With the Sindhi you can sense a similar contradiction: in the instinctive veneration of the Bhuttos of yore, there is perhaps a deep unease with the PPP of today. But an old logic still applies.
The PPP was and is the only vehicle for the Sindhi to be able to press his case at the national level, inside the federation. ZAB was the dream in that he could woo and win in Punjab too, assuring the Sindhi that his interests would never be harmed at the centre.
Minus the PPP, the Sindhi is left with the fractious nationalist alternative and a scrabble of useless winners who can barely project power outside their constituencies. Minus the PPP, the Sindhi has no one who can lobby on his behalf and fight for his rights against the dominant Punjab at the centre.
Minus the PPP, the Sindhi is vulnerable. And so they keep voting PPP.
There is another part to it, to the staticness in Sindh. The PTI missed a trick in Sindh because when the Mohajir showed some interest in the PTI, the PTI didn’t reciprocate. The Mohajir, especially the white-collar, educated, aspirational Mohajir, is a natural fit for the PTI’s urban-centric politics — and the Mohajir need not worry about the PTI aligning with the PPP.
But Imran showed little interest in anything outside Punjab and that was that.
With the Sindhi, some among its burgeoning middle class wonder why it has not sprouted an alternative to the PPP and the coterie of nationalists and thugs. But they also tend to answer their own question: the dirty little secret of interior Sindh is that the PPP has bought off the middle class too, fattened it to the point of stupor and numbed its instinct for political dissent and organisation.
So, there it is. The MQM may be a monstrosity and Zardari’s PPP may be a monstrosity, but both stand on old edifices of fear — the Mohajir’s fear inside Sindh and the Sindhi’s fear inside the federation.
Which goes back to the nuanced question: what’s the endgame here? IE do the boys really know what they’re doing?
The writer is a member of staff.
---------- cyril.a@ gmail dot com
Published in Dawn, June 28th, 2015
Guru bhai
you started out on this thread really really well. I have never given two positive ratings to the same contributor in the same thread. You are the first one. Why?
you started out by asking very inquisitive questions.
Don't sink yourself with childish attacks now.
you are a good contributor.
Make sure you remain so.
What can a miserable being do, is he just miserable creature who nobody cares anymore. Also his time is near.. let him say few last words that we remember. I would want to listen him sing a song before he is prosecuted for Imran Farooq's murder.
of courseIn Pakistan it's pretty simple......... some not-so-bright person in one of the "agencies" has a brain fart and decides to form a new gang / group / political party #B on sectarian / nationalist lines to get rid of small problem #A...... then the same genius tries to pit problem #C with #B and when nothing works, they have comfortable fall back position known as Martians, Centurians, Reptilians or our favorite RA&W..... well, the funny thing is, you do EXACTLY the same.. did you forget the venus probes or the pigeon recently?
Well, that's the naked truth. Don't know if many of us can swallow the fact!
@Irfan Baloch , can we swallow it?
valid questions all alongBhai sahab itnay emotional kyu ho gaey .. i was merely refering to MQM operation and questioning the timing why now .. thats all