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Was hero-making of Tipu Sultan a necessity?

8000 temples don't matter to me.
Tipu sultan killed hundreds of ppl(which included women and children), merely because they belonged to a diff religion.
He might have possessed advanced knowledge in weaponry but as a human being he was a tyrant.
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Bibi anyone can edit wikipedia, converting hindus in to Islam is duty of every muslim. But there is no proof that he slaughtered innocent kids and women which is forbidden in Islam.
 
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Tipu was one of the greatest soldiers and patriots SA has ever seen. Christian missionary historians and present day Indian authorities spread a lot of fictitious slander against him. Not only that, the British stooges called Wadyeras are the toast of modern Mysore.
 
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Wikipedia ? Yeah I think I'll pass.
Bibi anyone can edit wikipedia, converting hindus in to Islam is duty of every muslim. But there is no proof that he slaughtered innocent kids and women which is forbidden in Islam.
Confirmation bias!!!

Tipu was one of the greatest soldiers and patriots SA has ever seen.
Yes!
He was a good soldier.
Christian missionary historians and present day Indian authorities spread a lot of fictitious slander against him.
The book called "Sword of Tipu Sultan" written by Bhagwan Gidwani proves you wrong.
 
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Pakistan Administrative Staff college ? Since when have they become Historians ? o_O

What we need is input from @scorpionx ! :agree:

If he says that Tipu was a tyrant (anymore than what rulers usually were in those days) I'd hang my head in shame ! :(

Till that time.....mujhee bhoook lagiii haiii - Eik plate saaag aur makaiii key rootiii aaap jaldiii seh leiii aiiiien ! :tongue:
Tipu Sultan was my hero, Armstrong. In Sanjay Khan's the Sword of Tipu Sultan, the initial commentaries about the degrading political changes in Indian theater, the cannon fires, the mesmerizing music by Naushad and lastly, the majestic monarch sitting boastfully on an equally majestic elephant had made enormous magical impression on a seven/eight year old kid in the 90's. No matter how scholars continue to pass their judgement about him, Sanjay Khan's Tipu will remain as my hero as the last standing guard against the English conquerors.

Tipu was an autocrat, just by the simple fact that neither he nor his father were chosen by referendum. But I will be rather more cautious unlike the right wing quarters to judge him as necessarily evil/ ruthless religious maniac or as the melodramatic hero the left wing historians often prefers to see him, just as they tends to do in case of Akbar the great. There is little to argue against the fact that there had not been any case of forced conversion. In fact, Tipu himself had acknowledged that he had inflicted punishment on Nairs of Coorg and Malabar and we all may agree unanimously that forced conversion was an universal signature of every medieval Islamic rulers as religion based retribution to the non-believers for non-religious reasons. Tipu was not an exception. But the extent of this accusation must be and should be a subject of serious scholarly investigation. For example, demographic facts often defy the claim that Tipu was encouraging rampart forced conversions. Mir Hussain Ali Khan Kirmani claims that during his military expedition in 1783, Tipu converted 80,000 Hindus in Coorg. But half a century later in 1839-40 total population of the area was estimated around the same and Muslim population did not exceed merely 6,000 even late as 1870.

If Tipu was a radical anti-Christian as regularly claimed by British officers of the company like Wilks or Kirkpatrick for his forced conversion of 60,000 Kanarese Christians who allegedly helped the British in the second Anglo-Mysore war, it no way explains why he encouraged Armenian merchants to settle in Mysore or well treated Syrian Christians. Also, not to forget that the most convincing proof of his religious tolerance does not come from any loyal admirer among his courtiers but from the records of Sringeri Math.

last but not the least, it is not always necessary to see historical figures as 'Good' or 'evil' based upon the commentaries of contemporary records as most of them are often vulnerable to personal bias or religious/ethnic/political prejudices. Tipu Mastan Oliya was and will continue to be a matter of scholarly debate in future but let the Tipu Sultan of Sanjay Khan to remain as the last standing hero against the British, there is no scope of doubt in this regard.
 
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Wikipedia ? Yeah I think I'll pass.
Anything doesn't suit to your belief cant be dubbed non credible..... Anyway I am not expecting anything worth condemnation of his brutal massacre especially from a society which already have been outmastering others in cooking conspiracy theories ..... Anyone who kills innocents (irrespective of their religious background be it Hitler or Changez khan or anyone else) deserve no respect from rest of humanity......
 
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Tipu Sultan was my hero, Armstrong. In Sanjay Khan's the Sword of Tipu Sultan, the initial commentaries about the degrading political changes in Indian theater, the cannon fires, the mesmerizing music by Naushad and lastly, the majestic monarch sitting boastfully on an equally majestic elephant had made enormous magical impression on a seven/eight year old kid in the 90's. No matter how scholars continue to pass their judgement about him, Sanjay Khan's Tipu will remain as my hero as the last standing guard against the English conquerors.

Tipu was an autocrat, just by the simple fact that neither he nor his father were chosen by referendum. But I will be rather more cautious unlike the right wing quarters to judge him as necessarily evil/ ruthless religious maniac or as the melodramatic hero the left wing historians often prefers to see him, just as they tends to do in case of Akbar the great. There is little to argue against the fact that there had not been any case of forced conversion. In fact, Tipu himself had acknowledged that he had inflicted punishment on Nairs of Coorg and Malabar and we all may agree unanimously that forced conversion was an universal signature of every medieval Islamic rulers as religion based retribution to the non-believers for non-religious reasons. Tipu was not an exception. But the extent of this accusation must be and should be a subject of serious scholarly investigation. For example, demographic facts often defy the claim that Tipu was encouraging rampart forced conversions. Mir Hussain Ali Khan Kirmani claims that during his military expedition in 1783, Tipu converted 80,000 Hindus in Coorg. But half a century later in 1839-40 total population of the area was estimated around the same and Muslim population did not exceed merely 6,000 even late as 1870.

If Tipu was a radical anti-Christian as regularly claimed by British officers of the company like Wilks or Kirkpatrick for his forced conversion of 60,000 Kanarese Christians who allegedly helped the British in the second Anglo-Mysore war, it no way explains why he encouraged Armenian merchants to settle in Mysore or well treated Syrian Christians. Also, not to forget that the most convincing proof of his religious tolerance does not come from any loyal admirer among his courtiers but from the records of Sringeri Math.

last but not the least, it is not always necessary to see historical figures as 'Good' or 'evil' based upon the commentaries of contemporary records as most of them are often vulnerable to personal bias or religious/ethnic/political prejudices. Tipu Mastan Oliya was and will continue to be a matter of scholarly debate in future but let the Tipu Sultan of Sanjay Khan to remain as the last standing hero against the British, there is no scope of doubt in this regard.

Very diplomatic!
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Anything doesn't suit to your belief cant be dubbed non credible..... Anyway I am not expecting anything worth condemnation of his brutal massacre especially from a society which already have been outmastering others in cooking conspiracy theories ..... Anyone who kills innocents (irrespective of their religious background be it Hitler or Changez khan or anyone else) deserve no respect from rest of humanity......

Wiki is good for school kids... But a source that any lalu panju can edit... So good for you if you believe that nonsense... Cause u surely don't.
 
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we admire him for the rockets he developed and we loathe him for the tyrant he was
Of course he was hero, for muslims. Converting kafirs in to Islam was duty of every muslim ruler, nothing wrong with what he did. Hell hindus worship Asoka who slaughtered 150.000 of them in Orisa. I wonder what is worse?
Hey Ghenda dude .. Do you realize 150.000 = 150 ? :p:
And i wish each and every Muslim ruler heeds to your advise so that they can become even purer Muslims. But then again i think Muslim rulers are already at it which is clear from the alarming depletion of Kaffirs like me from your Muslim lands.
Anyway it's good to know that you are proud of this so called duty of yours.
 
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we admire him for the rockets he developed and we loathe him for the tyrant he was.
Tipu was of complex personality. His treatment of his subjects in karnataka ( Mysore) is very different from than the way he treated Kerala and other places he invaded. He was also tolerant of hindus and temples in Mysore state but not much outside Mysore! both of his capitals and palace in Srirangapatnam and bangalore has temples patronized by Tipu. while his army sacked many others in kerala and tamil nadu.

so i am confused about what Tipu actually was !
 
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Tipu was of complex personality. His treatment of his subjects in karnataka ( Mysore) is very different from than the way he treated Kerala and other places he invaded. He was also tolerant of hindus and temples in Mysore state but not much outside Mysore! both of his capitals and palace in Srirangapatnam and bangalore has temples patronized by Tipu. while his army sacked many others in kerala and tamil nadu.

so i am confused about what Tipu actually was !
If you notice his raids in Coorg and malabar came soon after he had taken over the throne. Initially he was very harsh on Hindus but towards the fag end of his life (which was ostensibly short) he had begun to build temples and spared Hindus from his tyranny, this so because Marathas at the time were an all powerful enemy, and he did not want to risk agitating the Hindus. This is what I read.
 
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If he says that Tipu was a tyrant (anymore than what rulers usually were in those days) I'd hang my head in shame !
Cherry picking. :D I am willing to bet my life that you will get this verdict. Tipu was a saint or at least as good/bad as any other Hindu king. :P

He was also tolerant of hindus and temples in Mysore state
Initially he was not. After getting squarely beaten in the First Anglo Maratha War and even betrayed by the Ummah brother Nizam he was out of friends. Then the Marathas were also breathing down on his back. What choice did he have? He was an able general with enough understanding of the need to avoid a two front war. He knew that his primary enemy was the British at the time. Hence his late life benevolence.

@Armstrong - My opinions of Tipu are based entirely on his own letters and his own court documents that are preserved in museums. Some of them are displayed openly. People spend all the time watching the pictures on the walls and don't bother reading the gory details in a small glass enclosed box below it. Those were the ones I read. :devil:
I questioned it, it went against what I read in school. I read Graduate history and found who Tipu really was. In school books we were taught a violence free history* (kinda makes sense though), but that's that.

*Except when the eviiiiiil British were mentioned.

No matter how scholars continue to pass their judgement about him, Sanjay Khan's Tipu will remain as my hero as the last standing guard against the English conquerors
It's like a Simon Wiesenthal saying that his hero was Adolf Eichmann. But you have the right to have this opinion. It is only India and Pakistan that can have the guts to glorify their own killers. Pakistan has their Ghauris and we have our Tipus. :P Same people indeed. :D

Would you recommend Tipu Sultan rule over Bengal for a period of say 10 years?

The lack of Muslim people in the census is a wrong assertion as the Moplah regions were often considered lawless and not much counting was done in those areas. At least till the 1920s. After the Malabar forces was created, things improved. I just returned from Trivandrum yesterday. :P

Sanjay Khan's Tipu will remain as my hero as the last standing guard against the English conquerors.
Okay, sorry. I missed that. :D But you need to make that more prominent, lest you end up condoning mass murderers. Boastful ones at that. :P

Anyone who kills innocents (irrespective of their religious background be it Hitler or Changez khan or anyone else) deserve no respect from rest of humanity......
Exactly. Unless they truly and totally repent and accept their crimes. Then ... maybe.

converting hindus in to Islam is duty of every muslim
True. But not Hindus exactly. It is the duty of every Muslim to extend Dawah to any non Muslim. Not just or Hindus in particular.

So who is that guy in your profile picture then?
Tipu Sultan. Oh wait.
 
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