Vietnam ordered stealth destroyers P28 of India

[Abingdonboy]

Sub are best hunted by other subs and Dedicated air assets like P-8I.

That's actually a myth. A dedicated corvette with its own intergrated ASW aviation asset that can shadow a submarine for days/weeks/months or search vast stretches of water on its own is by far the best ASW around. P-8Is are excellent but they cannot remain on station for prolonged periods of time.

There is no one "silver bullet" but number of complimentary assets with overlapping strengths is what is helping the IN build one of the finest ASW capabilties on the planet.

P28 will get BARAK 8 during next mid refit, it was officially reported a while back. If BARAK 8 is installed, then there is fair chance it will be installed with MF star to increase lethality. BRAMHOS is confirmed but I believe it will be 8 only. I haven't heard of LW series on Kamorta class so far honestly.

No way are the IN's P-28s getting Brahmos- they don't have the need, they are dedicated ASW corvettes and I am bit skeptical about the BARAK-8, the Maitri is already being lined up for it.

 

[nang2]

The P-28 isn't a destroyer nor does it have the EL/M 2248 MF-STAR, Brahmos, LW-08 or BARAK SAMs. I think there is some confusion between the P-28 and P-15A.

The P-28 is a dedicated ASW corvette.

Whatever it is, it is "extremely modern".

 

[RISING SUN]

P 28 is already 3400 tons but is very lightly weaponised. The India version carries Zero Anti Ship missiles and Zero Air defence.

It is probably the most lightly weaponized naval ship for its class and weight. I think the idea is to have a low value, high endurance platform at sea.

But the same platform can be made deadly quite easily if we load it up with 8 Brahmos and probably 16 Barak-8. It already has a top speed of 32 knots.

Kamorta has top speed of only 25 knots max as it sacrifices the speed for long endurance & stealth features.

 

[Yaralava]

That's actually a myth. A dedicated corvette with its own intergrated ASW aviation asset that can shadow a submarine for days/weeks/months or search vast stretches of water on its own is by far the best ASW around. P-8Is are excellent but they cannot remain on station for prolonged periods of time.

There is no one "silver bullet" but number of complimentary assets with overlapping strengths is what is helping the IN build one of the finest ASW capabilties on the planet.

A dedicate submarine can track another submarine far more efficiently than a dedicated corvette, more so if its nuclear. Especially if its supported by air assets. P-8I are force multiplies though they can act as stand alone platforms when required.

 

[RISING SUN]

That's actually a myth. A dedicated corvette with its own intergrated ASW aviation asset that can shadow a submarine for days/weeks/months or search vast stretches of water on its own is by far the best ASW around. P-8Is are excellent but they cannot remain on station for prolonged periods of time.

There is no one "silver bullet" but number of complimentary assets with overlapping strengths is what is helping the IN build one of the finest ASW capabilties on the planet.


No way are the IN's P-28s getting Brahmos- they don't have the need, they are dedicated ASW corvettes and I am bit skeptical about the BARAK-8, the Maitri is already being lined up for it.

Perhaps you took my comment wrongly, I would like to clarify again that IN will place only BARAK 8 in mid life upgrade. BRAMHOS can be opted by Vietnam if possible, that too only 8 if it's possible at all.

 

[Yaralava]

Kamorta has top speed of only 25 knots max as it sacrifices the speed for long endurance & stealth features.

Its Maximum speed is 32 Knots. It has Four Pielstick 12PA6-STC engine with a maximum continues rating of 3,888 kW. Four of them provide 15,552 kW power which is more than sufficient to drive a 3,400 Ton ship for more than 32 knots.

Two 16PA6-STC engine drive the shivalik to more than 30 knots.

Your cost escalation concern is quite just. But making an advance stealth ship requires its own time .

Nuclear subs are stratigic assets we can't send them on a goose chase and a country like India does not have a lot of them . So a submarine hunter ship is always a better option
As for P8 they require refueling at regular intervals so they cannot follow

For now, corvette is the better option, no doubt. That is why the IN has opted for it. Not so in the future.

 

[Roybot]

Seems like a heavily modified P-28 class!!

The next 2 ships of the Kamorta class are supposed to have composite superstructure supplied by Saab Kockums. It won't be too hard to put the mast for MF-star radars, like Sa-ar 5 Corvettes of the Israeli Navy.

With Phillipines already interested, and now Vietnam too, this can be developed into kickass pocket sized destroyer.

The next two ships-in-class, Kiltan and Kavaratti , are currently fitting out at GRSE in Kolkata. These two ships have a composite superstructure, supplied by Sweden's Saab Kockums, designed to reduce top weight. They are likely to enter service in late 2016 and 2017.

http://www.janes.com/article/57037/indian-navy-commissions-second-kamorta-class-asw-corvette

@Abingdonboy

 

[RISING SUN]

I am aware of P17A. Only the project cost is 1.1 Billion $ per Ship.



All Carrier Group have corvettes in them. You can be sure Indian group will have Kamorta.

Especially since we have a real shortage of Nuclear submarines that can provide escort to the Indian carrier group.

Kamorta doesn't have the minimum speed required to work in CBG.

 

[Yaralava]

Kamorta doesn't have the minimum speed required to work in CBG.

As I said, 32 knots is more than enough. Average Carrier group speed will be around 28-30 knots.

 

[RISING SUN]

Its Maximum speed is 32 Knots. It has Four Pielstick 12PA6-STC engine with a maximum continues rating of 3,888 kW. Four of them provide 15,552 kW power which is more than sufficient to drive a 3,400 Ton ship for more than 32 knots.

Two 16PA6-STC engine drive the shivalik to more than 30 knots.



For now, corvette is the better option, no doubt. That is why the IN has opted for it. Not so in the future.

Sorry but it's flank speed is only 25 knots. If you have any official link which points to otherwise, I will accept.

 

[Viet]

I have long called on, our navy shall acquire destroyers, for aerial and fleet defence. maybe my voice is heard at last

 

[RISING SUN]

As I said, 32 knots is more than enough. Average Carrier group speed will be around 28-30 knots.

Average carrier battle group speed is 18-22 knots only. Mate you need to go through past threads to understand the ASW warfare basic concept. How a frigate does the sweeping and back, again sweeping & back is which require these boats to have superior flank speed compared to rest of the fleet. Hope that clarifies.

 

[Yaralava]

Sorry but it's flank speed is only 25 knots. If you have any official link which points to otherwise, I will accept.

I have already given you the power rating, what more do you require ?

Shivalik has 2 16PA6-STC engine which gives it a total power of 10,296 kW and the ship weights 6,200 tons. Do you beleive it can go at 30 knots ?

Kamorta has 4 12PA6-STC engine which gives it a total power of 15,552 kW and the ship only weights 3,400 tons.

And you want to believe it can only go at 24 knots ?

You want to believe "sources" more than your common sense ?

 

[RISING SUN]

I have long called on, our navy shall acquire destroyers, for aerial and fleet defence. maybe my voice is heard at last

Instead of destroyers which are primarily anti air boats, it will be more advisable to go for mid sized multi role boats with much better sensor suite.

 

[Carlosa]

I have long called on, our navy shall acquire destroyers, for aerial and fleet defence. maybe my voice is heard at last

Small pocket destroyers bro, don't think too much, lets get confirmation first.