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15 crashed on site.
Others on the way home.
Total they lost 34 during this 11 days operation

It's a disputed figure, so we'll have to agree to disagree - one that includes total loses, not just by SAM. But the premise is the same, the SAMs weren't too effective against a B-52 operating in an ECM heavy environment.
 
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B52 is not difficult to detect. China detect B52 from 300-400 KM away off China coast
When China announce its air defense identification zone, US send B52 to show US will not accept but will not do much to challenge.

Yet shoot down B52 escorted by many electronic plane and fighters is another thing...
In radar detection, there are two types of targets:

- Cooperative
- Non-cooperative

A cooperative target is where the target does nothing to interfere with the behaviors of the radar signals that make contact with its body. Or the target actively does something that encourages radar signals to be on its body. Or the target does both. If an aircraft fly into a radar beam, it is a cooperative target. If an aircraft is being scanned and does nothing to evade the scanning, it is a cooperative target.

A non-cooperative target is where the target does the opposite of the cooperative target.

A B-52 can do many things to make itself very difficult to detect, one method is to fly below the radar's minimum scan height. Another method is to use terrain that interferes with the radar signals' travel. Another method is to use active countermeasures -- like a shield -- that while indicate a general direction, the seeking radar does not know the B-52's precise location inside that shield.

So when we sent the B-52 to challenge China's ADIZ, we deliberately made the B-52 a cooperative target. We want China to know we are 'here'. So there is nothing spectacular about China's radar detecting the B-52. When it comes to penetrating air defenses, the US is the best, no matter how much you want to cheer for China and bend the laws of physics. Maybe the B-52 cannot penetrate China's air defense, but the B-1 can -- easily.
 
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From B-52 ( in 1972 )
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Then my so called system includes both hardware like weapons and software like tactics.
The combination of weapon platform, intelligence collection, information share, commanding with right tactics.
In modern wars, you have to make everything correct.


The proper words are: philosophies, doctrines, and tactics.

Philosophy is the general and high level exposition of foundational issues.

Doctrine is lower level and is about beliefs taught. For example, the air force would not hold army doctrines, and the army would not hold navy doctrines.

Tactics are the execution methods based upon doctrines and philosophies.

There are also counter measure regarding these EM.
Great power, jumping frequency, jam and counter-jam.the method is updating.
Jam an old soviet radar complete with modern electronic plane is no problem.
But for modern radar, generally you can only reduce its capability.
Like distance to detect the B52 may be reduced from 400KM to 200KM with EMI, etc..

Was the B-52 flown near China operating under combat conditions? It likely wasn't broadcasting EM countermeasures - this is the point @BoQ77 is trying to make. Detecting a non-evasive aircraft that wants to be detected - since it's making a statement, is far different from trying to locate a heavy bomber that is actively masking its location through electro-magnetic interference, thus making radar detection nearly impossible.

@BoQ77 is right, when using its ECM defense, the B-52 isn't a easy to find on radar.

B1 to penetrate the China`s defense?
I am not sure if we can shoot down B2 if it comes into mainland China.
But B1 is not likely to survive if it is alone..

In radar detection, there are two types of targets:

- Cooperative
- Non-cooperative

A cooperative target is where the target does nothing to interfere with the behaviors of the radar signals that make contact with its body. Or the target actively does something that encourages radar signals to be on its body. Or the target does both. If an aircraft fly into a radar beam, it is a cooperative target. If an aircraft is being scanned and does nothing to evade the scanning, it is a cooperative target.

A non-cooperative target is where the target does the opposite of the cooperative target.

A B-52 can do many things to make itself very difficult to detect, one method is to fly below the radar's minimum scan height. Another method is to use terrain that interferes with the radar signals' travel. Another method is to use active countermeasures -- like a shield -- that while indicate a general direction, the seeking radar does not know the B-52's precise location inside that shield.

So when we sent the B-52 to challenge China's ADIZ, we deliberately made the B-52 a cooperative target. We want China to know we are 'here'. So there is nothing spectacular about China's radar detecting the B-52. When it comes to penetrating air defenses, the US is the best, no matter how much you want to cheer for China and bend the laws of physics. Maybe the B-52 cannot penetrate China's air defense, but the B-1 can -- easily.
In radar detection, there are two types of targets:

- Cooperative
- Non-cooperative

A cooperative target is where the target does nothing to interfere with the behaviors of the radar signals that make contact with its body. Or the target actively does something that encourages radar signals to be on its body. Or the target does both. If an aircraft fly into a radar beam, it is a cooperative target. If an aircraft is being scanned and does nothing to evade the scanning, it is a cooperative target.

A non-cooperative target is where the target does the opposite of the cooperative target.

A B-52 can do many things to make itself very difficult to detect, one method is to fly below the radar's minimum scan height. Another method is to use terrain that interferes with the radar signals' travel. Another method is to use active countermeasures -- like a shield -- that while indicate a general direction, the seeking radar does not know the B-52's precise location inside that shield.

So when we sent the B-52 to challenge China's ADIZ, we deliberately made the B-52 a cooperative target. We want China to know we are 'here'. So there is nothing spectacular about China's radar detecting the B-52. When it comes to penetrating air defenses, the US is the best, no matter how much you want to cheer for China and bend the laws of physics. Maybe the B-52 cannot penetrate China's air defense, but the B-1 can -- easily.

Simply because US find the way to jam the old SAM2.
Even so, US air force had to send many fighters flying low to attack SAM side.
Many shot down by AA guns..
without SAM, US air force can simply fly high and take these AAs.

Modern missile are hard to jam. They will even attack the source of interference if jammed..


It's a disputed figure, so we'll have to agree to disagree - one that includes total loses, not just by SAM. But the premise is the same, the SAMs weren't too effective against a B-52 operating in an ECM heavy environment.
 
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And is there any chance Vietnam would be interested in an LCS type ship (Freedom class), perhaps an up-gunned version, as is being proposed to the USN as its newest frigate?

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Veitnam is receiving patrol craft:

US Helping Strengthen Vietnamese Coast Guard

US transfers 5 patrol ships to Vietnam as maritime assistance: media

But is there any interest in major surface combatants, or will Vietnam prefer to continue to source its gear from Russian, European and domestic designs?

Vietnam keep spending money to proven items.
- The most preference: Russia : reliable for non-stop supply, familiar in operations and intergration to using weapons
- European source now
- LCS or MCS are unproven, actually they spare 60% of their module for swapable. As I read fast swap takes only 24-96 hours to make them ready for different missions. Great. We love them at a reasonable price.

 
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Hold on a sec. I thought that most of the people here have had extensive personal experience in the military? How else could they be such experts?

It has been scientifically proven that about half of all internet users are retired military officers.
 
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are you even in posession of neutron bombs?

your nuclear technology was bought from soviets. we never sold you neutron bomb tech.
USSR never sell any nuclear technology to China, coz during whole COLD WAR (1960s~1980s) we r in different camps. China made Nuclear Bomb / Hydrogen bomb / Neutron bomb ... BTW drink less Vodka, that's bad for the brain.
  1. 1999 BBC:World: China boasts neutron bomb know-how
  2. Unlocking the Puzzle of China’s Neutron Bomb
  3. Wiki: Neutron bomb
China conducted a successful test of neutron bomb principles in 1984 and a successful test of a neutron bomb in 1988. However, neither country chose to deploy the neutron bomb. Chinese nuclear scientists stated prior to the 1988 test that China had no need for the neutron bomb, but it was developed to serve as a "technology reserve," in case the need arose in the future.
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I love the F-16 with JASSM as much as Tu-22M3 with KH-22 to Vietnam

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Operational range
370+ km (230 mi) [JASSM]
1000+ km (620 mi) [JASSM-ER]
 
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USAF nominates JASSM missile to host new computer-killing weapon
By: JAMES DREW
WASHINGTON DC
Source: Flightglobal.com
18:30 14 May 2015


The head of the Air Force Research Laboratory has nominated Lockheed Martin’s stealthy, long-range Joint Air-to-Surface Standoff Missile (JASSM-ER) as the optimal air vehicle to carry a new computer-killing electronic attack payload known as CHAMP, or Counter-electronics High-powered microwave Advanced Missile Project.

Major general Thomas Masiello says the technology, which fries electronic equipment with bursts of high-power microwave energy, is mature and will be miniaturised to suite the JASSM-ER.

“That’s an operational system already in our tactical air force, and that is really what will make us more operationally relevant,” Masiello says at a science and technology exposition at the Pentagon on 14 May. “Both the major commands and the combatant commands are very interested in that weapon system. It’s a non-kinetic effect.”

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The electronic warfare payload was jointly developed by the laboratory and Boeing using critical components produced by Raytheon. The weapon was flight tested in 2012 on an AGM-86 Conventional Air-Launched Cruise Missile – an air vehicle tagged for retirement and demilitarisation.

Some US lawmakers have questioned why it has taken the air force so long to field CHAMP, and even passed legislation ordering the air force to produce a tactical system by 2016. “This is not a limitation on technology, authority or funding,” said congressman Richard Nugent at a recent congressional hearing.

The research laboratory tested the counter-electronics device on the cruise missile at a military test range in Utah, where it successfully shut down a room full of computers. The effect similar to the electromagnetic pulse from a high-altitude nuclear explosion.

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The F-16 is going to give China seconds, thirds, fourths, and fifths thoughts about Viet Nam's self defense capabilities.

Could you give an opinion as to how many years of typical operating life you expect that the newly received, upgraded Indonesian F-16s would have? As I understand, the upgrade and life extension that those aircraft have received is very comprehensive. I believe they are upgraded to Block 52 standard and at a total price of $31 million a pop (everything included), that's not bad at all. I think it would be very possible for Vietnam to receive a similar deal.
 
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Good news even 50 Harpoon and 100 Jevlin would be enough to protect Vietnamese territorial integrity You already have

Kh 35

club

kilo

su 30

Now rumour of su 35 and Japanese ships are also there.

Beside your SF is already equipped with Tavors.
 
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