Vietnam Defence Forum

[TenLua]

Lobbying is not corruption. There are rules that everyone has to follow.

I have to disagree here. The majority seem to think that western politics are held to a greater standard than east; this was true, and was the reason for its success. However, since JFK, politics in the west, particularly in the US, have been corrupted by its intelligence community. For example, the common belief is that leaders are elected for their ideas and ability to lead, this is a misconception by those who are misinformed. The reality is, leaders are elected by how susceptible they are to blackmailing. Case in point, donald trump was involved in a case where he and jeffrey epstein ( a billionaire) raped a 13 year old girl. This is well documented. If you look far enough, the white house is full of pedophiles at the mercy of the intelligence community. The intelligence community can access any and all communication of anyone who they direct resource at. They use this information to either destroy or keep in check. But then you ask, who then control the US intelligence community? The oligarchs. If they betray the deep state, they will bury you.

While it is true that there are rules they have to follow, those rules are not what we perceive them to be.

 

[Viet]

When a big private bank fails, the entire capitalist country will crash. Of course I and many pple want to see that thing happen, dirty tycoons must pay for what they did to poor countries like VN, Syria etc

Btw if a big bank fails leading to the crash of the entire country, then thats what Karl Marx said is true abt capitalist system, and ppl need to think abt a better system such as socialist system thats is working well in VN
then pls explain to me why EU have to join wt US to slap sanction on Russia when he just took back Crime that belong to him long time ago ?? Cos u guys r scared that Russia will annex east Germany again ??

Weakening Russia economic base is weakening Russia military strength. That is the reason why Germany and the rest support sanctions on Russia. Politics is a dirty business bro.

I have to disagree here. The majority seem to think that western politics are held to a greater standard than east; this was true, and was the reason for its success. However, since JFK, politics in the west, particularly in the US, have been corrupted by its intelligence community. For example, the common belief is that leaders are elected for their ideas and ability to lead, this is a misconception by those who are misinformed. The reality is, leaders are elected by how susceptible they are to blackmailing. Case in point, donald trump was involved in a case where he and jeffrey epstein ( a billionaire) raped a 13 year old girl. This is well documented. If you look far enough, the white house is full of pedophiles at the mercy of the intelligence community. The intelligence community can access any and all communication of anyone who they direct resource at. They use this information to either destroy or keep in check. But then you ask, who then control the US intelligence community? The oligarchs. If they betray the deep state, they will bury you.

While it is true that there are rules they have to follow, those rules are not what we perceive them to be.

Money rules the world so in the past so the present, corruption exists everywhere. However the difference between VN and developed countries like Japan and Singapore lies between street and legal robbery. we are off topic I believe.

K14 pistol made by VN, a clone of Chinese K54

 

[Viet]

New domestic made aerial surveillance system VQ1-M enters service for the Army group South.

VN urges the US to do more. Donald Trump increases the US military budget to $620 billion, he shouldn't have any problem giving some dollars to clean up the mess e.i. mines and dioxin contamination created by the US army during the war.

 

[xiao qi]

there r 2 points we talk about:
1. Carlosa thinks that corruption in VN like cancer, I also agree wt him. But to me, corruption in EU, US are even worse than in VN cos dirty white tycoons legalize corruption and call it like "lobbying".

2. We can clean corruption while EU, US can not.(This poit, Carlosa disagree wt me cos he try to believe that dirty capitalist system is superior even more than 50 innocent ppl just got killed by a dirty law allowed spycho can buy guns easily )

Sure, we can clean corruption? Read these articles :

https://www.baomoi.com/thuong-ta-vo...nam-truoc-co-phai-la-mot-nguoi/c/23640310.epi

http://tuoitre.vn/thuong-ta-vo-dinh-thuong-toi-dau-co-bi-duoi-khoi-nganh-2017102113373883.htm

http://vietnamnet.vn/vn/thoi-su/quan-lo-kho-tin-cua-thuong-ta-csgt-vo-dinh-thuong-406108.html

http://plo.vn/an-ninh-trat-tu/sau-long-thanh-con-nhung-ai-198559.html

http://vtc.vn/giam-doc-cong-an-dong-nai-thuong-ta-vo-dinh-thuong-co-gi-sai-dau-ma-xu-ly-d358099.html

So do you believe on Vietnamese communist? Lol, If they want to clean corruption, they need to kill 3 million bastards

 

[Viva_Viet]

Sure, we can clean corruption? Read these articles :

https://www.baomoi.com/thuong-ta-vo...nam-truoc-co-phai-la-mot-nguoi/c/23640310.epi

http://tuoitre.vn/thuong-ta-vo-dinh-thuong-toi-dau-co-bi-duoi-khoi-nganh-2017102113373883.htm

http://vietnamnet.vn/vn/thoi-su/quan-lo-kho-tin-cua-thuong-ta-csgt-vo-dinh-thuong-406108.html

http://plo.vn/an-ninh-trat-tu/sau-long-thanh-con-nhung-ai-198559.html

http://vtc.vn/giam-doc-cong-an-dong-nai-thuong-ta-vo-dinh-thuong-co-gi-sai-dau-ma-xu-ly-d358099.html

So do you believe on Vietnamese communist? Lol, If they want to clean corruption, they need to kill 3 million bastards

At least u can have a solution (even thats not smart idea) for our system. But for capitalist system, u can do Nothing to clean corruption cos they just simply legalize it. U can keep believing in capitalist and keep praying every night that no spycho shoot u dead on street next day.

And most of corruption cases happened after Soviet collapse. Its not easy to find a big corruption in VN before 1990.

 

[Viva_Viet]

Its so funny when ppl here mocking abt VN's corruption when they dont know which system is more corrupted.
- If Wall st banking system (this is private system) got crashed, they will rob Tax from pple. No one here say anything cos they r "too big to failed". Actually thats the Tax robberry. Private banks can not take TAX at any case cos those dont work for the benefit of ppl. Just like a private restaurant can not take Tax if it goes bankrupt.

- If a spycho shoot u dead on street, then no one say anything, too cos "ppl can buy gun" . Actually everyone agree that No gun is much safer than buy gunto protec yourselves. U can not stop arm dealer selling guns cos your lives in Nothing . Actually, thats completely break human rights but u try to believe that is "democracy" cos u still can buy gun .

Dont take some US's vassal states as example to prove that capitalist has a better systems (SK,JP, Germany,Sing etc..) cos those countries will no longer exit without US's protection.

 

[Aqsuperman]

Da Nang of Vietnam will host the APEC 2017 meeting. Below are the armored vehicles of the heavily armed Mobile Police and the Army

 

[Viet]

ok no more discussions on corruption please...

this news is a slap on the face of blinded Khmer nationalists: Cambodia inaugurates one more Victory Monument now total 17 over the country, financed by VN money, remembering the Victory of Vietnam over Cambodia under the Red Khmer in 1978. the women holding baby symbolizes the khmer people.

one of the worst mass murders in the human history: Khmer leader Pol Pot. his regime of terror, if successful, would have led to the killing of nearly the entire population of Cambodia. He especially hated Vietnamese ethnic people in Cambodia.

 

[Carlosa]

Sure, we can clean corruption? Read these articles :

https://www.baomoi.com/thuong-ta-vo...nam-truoc-co-phai-la-mot-nguoi/c/23640310.epi

http://tuoitre.vn/thuong-ta-vo-dinh-thuong-toi-dau-co-bi-duoi-khoi-nganh-2017102113373883.htm

http://vietnamnet.vn/vn/thoi-su/quan-lo-kho-tin-cua-thuong-ta-csgt-vo-dinh-thuong-406108.html

http://plo.vn/an-ninh-trat-tu/sau-long-thanh-con-nhung-ai-198559.html

http://vtc.vn/giam-doc-cong-an-dong-nai-thuong-ta-vo-dinh-thuong-co-gi-sai-dau-ma-xu-ly-d358099.html

So do you believe on Vietnamese communist? Lol, If they want to clean corruption, they need to kill 3 million bastards

You are wasting your time taking to some people. These people are incapable of accepting reality no matter how much you show it to them; they live in a fantasy world where corruption is getting better in Vietnam, the government is going to clean it up, everything is the fault of foreigners and anyway, should not criticize because other countries also have corruption, therefore its ok to have massive corruption in Vietnam. Its not a cancer, Its just ok and normal, no need to criticize.

Transparency International ranks India as the most corrupted country in Asia and Vietnam is second. For ASEAN Vietnam is number one. Different organizations may have different ranking, but always with no doubt that Vietnam has massive corruption. They also ask many people at random if corruption in the last 3 years got better, worse or the same and the results are 57% worse which is also what articles in Vietnamese newspapers report (even that the press is censored and controlled by the government), people keep saying that its getting worse every year and then some ultranationalistic fools here pretend that no, its getting better. People thinking this way are part of the problem. Waste of time to talk to this people.

 

[Viet]

You are wasting your time taking to some people. These people are incapable of accepting reality no matter how much you show it to them; they live in a fantasy world where corruption is getting better in Vietnam, the government is going to clean it up, everything is the fault of foreigners and anyway, should not criticize because other countries also have corruption, therefore its ok to have massive corruption in Vietnam. Its not a cancer, Its just ok and normal, no need to criticize.

Transparency International ranks India as the most corrupted country in Asia and Vietnam is second. For ASEAN Vietnam is number one. Different organizations may have different ranking, but always with no doubt that Vietnam has massive corruption. They also ask many people at random if corruption in the last 3 years got better, worse or the same and the results are 57% worse which is also what articles in Vietnamese newspapers report (even that the press is censored and controlled by the government), people keep saying that its getting worse every year and then some ultranationalistic fools here pretend that no, its getting better. People thinking this way are part of the problem. Waste of time to talk to this people.

To be fair, the root of corruption goes back to the days of capitalist Republic Vietnam.

 

[warzone]

Its so funny when ppl here mocking abt VN's corruption when they dont know which system is more corrupted.
- If Wall st banking system (this is private system) got crashed, they will rob Tax from pple. No one here say anything cos they r "too big to failed". Actually thats the Tax robberry. Private banks can not take TAX at any case cos those dont work for the benefit of ppl. Just like a private restaurant can not take Tax if it goes bankrupt.

- If a spycho shoot u dead on street, then no one say anything, too cos "ppl can buy gun" . Actually everyone agree that No gun is much safer than buy gunto protec yourselves. U can not stop arm dealer selling guns cos your lives in Nothing . Actually, thats completely break human rights but u try to believe that is "democracy" cos u still can buy gun .

Dont take some US's vassal states as example to prove that capitalist has a better systems (SK,JP, Germany,Sing etc..) cos those countries will no longer exit without US's protection.

Why saying communist regime work when it all fall apart everywhere??? Viet Nam is corrupted from the lowest official to the top official, almost everything have a price tag in Viet Nam. In wealthy countries, the corruption is more concentrated on the top, less visible … Ever try to bribe a cop for a traffic ticket or buy your driver license in Europe or USA? Lobbying doesn't guarantee you anything, it just putting pressure on something you want. The corruption in Viet Nam is so bad that even the food are unsafe to eat, government jobs are for sale, plenty of fake education certificates and government officials (especially the traffic cops) are among the most hated individuals in the society and we all know the reasons beside you…. . And almost all the big villas are belonging to government executives/leadership and Vnese tycoons connected to the Party. Viet Nam was saved from starvation and poverty in late 1980s by adapting capitalism policies. If Vietnamese communist society was so great, why millions Viets (both North and South) fled the country? Today Viet Nam is a (almost)free market and capitalist country, the only thing that is communist is the communist party and it politics.

How Cuba the communist paradise island is doing? I have been in Cuba many times (about 5 times) , it freaking poor, every buildings look like it will collapse anytime and most people live in misery with less 30$ US a month (all they want is to get the hell out…) and are willing to do anything for few dollars.. . The Cubans are still riding bicycles and horses carriages because gasoline and cars are too expensive. It’s just as corrupted as VN, you can buy almost everything with money in Cuba (and it's much cheaper than VN) . And please don’t tell me about their best medical care (it only for tourists with big money from insurance), average Cubans with no money have third world class care (inside dirty old building with old equipments). Cuba is sending their best doctors and nurses outside to pay their debts. Cuba still survive today because of the western tourists and dollars (Cuba have the best beaches in the Caribbean) and donations from others countries (like the rice from VN). Capitalism is not great but it’s better than communist (jailed everyone that criticized their unpractical politics and economic decisions). Stop trying to sell your crap communist propaganda, if you love so much the communist then go live in Cuba or North Korea.

Also, if you think you can’t buy illegal guns in VN, go watch those VN cop videos Nhat ky 141 on youtube… It freaking scary seeing people get pull over with pistols, rifles, grenades in VN cities...

 

[Carlosa]

To be fair, the root of corruption goes back to the days of capitalist Republic Vietnam.

So you are talking about the south, right?

Viet Nam is corrupted from the lowest official to the top official, almost everything have a price tag in Viet Nam.

That's exactly how it is and everybody in Vietnam knows that.

Why saying communist regime work when it all fall apart everywhere??? Viet Nam is corrupted from the lowest official to the top official, almost everything have a price tag in Viet Nam. In wealthy countries, the corruption is more concentrated on the top, less visible … Ever try to bribe a cop for a traffic ticket or buy your driver license in Europe or USA? Lobbying doesn't guarantee you anything, it just putting pressure on something you want. The corruption in Viet Nam is so bad that even the food are unsafe to eat, government jobs are for sale, plenty of fake education certificates and government officials (especially the traffic cops) are among the most hated individuals in the society and we all know the reasons beside you…. . And almost all the big villas are belonging to government executives/leadership and Vnese tycoons connected to the Party. Viet Nam was saved from starvation and poverty in late 1980s by adapting capitalism policies. If Vietnamese communist society was so great, why millions Viets (both North and South) fled the country? Today Viet Nam is a (almost)free market and capitalist country, the only thing that is communist is the communist party and it politics.

How Cuba the communist paradise island is doing? I have been in Cuba many times (about 5 times) , it freaking poor, every buildings look like it will collapse anytime and most people live in misery with less 30$ US a month (all they want is to get the hell out…) and are willing to do anything for few dollars.. . The Cubans are still riding bicycles and horses carriages because gasoline and cars are too expensive. It’s just as corrupted as VN, you can buy almost everything with money in Cuba (and it's much cheaper than VN) . And please don’t tell me about their best medical care (it only for tourists with big money from insurance), average Cubans with no money have third world class care (inside dirty old building with old equipments). Cuba is sending their best doctors and nurses outside to pay their debts. Cuba still survive today because of the western tourists and dollars (Cuba have the best beaches in the Caribbean) and donations from others countries (like the rice from VN). Capitalism is not great but it’s better than communist (jailed everyone that criticized their unpractical politics and economic decisions). Stop trying to sell your crap communist propaganda, if you love so much the communist then go live in Cuba or North Korea.

Also, if you think you can’t buy illegal guns in VN, go watch those VN cop videos Nhat ky 141 on youtube… It freaking scary seeing people get pull over with pistols, rifles, grenades in VN cities...

That's why I said it is a cancer and that's how most Vietnamese see it. That's why most businesses in Vietnam say that their number one problem is corruption. Only party members, cronies that benefit from the corruption and a few idealistic fools that believe the government propaganda say its not that way.

 

[AViet]

So you are talking about the south, right?



That's exactly how it is and everybody in Vietnam knows that.



That's why I said it is a cancer and that's how most Vietnamese see it. That's why most businesses in Vietnam say that their number one problem is corruption. Only party members, cronies that benefit from the corruption and a few idealistic fools that believe the government propaganda say its not that way.

If you were really from Spain (which I believe you are not), you should care about the deep corruption in your own country and do not point finger to Vietnam.

Vietnam corruption is severe, I know, but not at the level of Spain and a lot of "democratic" countries in the West, including South Europe, Latin America or South Asia. In the West, money can buy everything and rich people never go to jail, but not in Vietnam. In other words, the corruption in Vietnam and the West have different nature. In Vietnam, it is quite easy to be seen in the sense of "lubricant money", but you cannot change the system, policies or laws. In the rich Western countries, corruption is not that open, but with money, you can buy almost everything.

 

[Viva_Viet]

Why saying communist regime work when it all fall apart everywhere??? Viet Nam is corrupted from the lowest official to the top official, almost everything have a price tag in Viet Nam. In wealthy countries, the corruption is more concentrated on the top, less visible … Ever try to bribe a cop for a traffic ticket or buy your driver license in Europe or USA? Lobbying doesn't guarantee you anything, it just putting pressure on something you want. The corruption in Viet Nam is so bad that even the food are unsafe to eat, government jobs are for sale, plenty of fake education certificates and government officials (especially the traffic cops) are among the most hated individuals in the society and we all know the reasons beside you…. . And almost all the big villas are belonging to government executives/leadership and Vnese tycoons connected to the Party. Viet Nam was saved from starvation and poverty in late 1980s by adapting capitalism policies. If Vietnamese communist society was so great, why millions Viets (both North and South) fled the country? Today Viet Nam is a (almost)free market and capitalist country, the only thing that is communist is the communist party and it politics.

How Cuba the communist paradise island is doing? I have been in Cuba many times (about 5 times) , it freaking poor, every buildings look like it will collapse anytime and most people live in misery with less 30$ US a month (all they want is to get the hell out…) and are willing to do anything for few dollars.. . The Cubans are still riding bicycles and horses carriages because gasoline and cars are too expensive. It’s just as corrupted as VN, you can buy almost everything with money in Cuba (and it's much cheaper than VN) . And please don’t tell me about their best medical care (it only for tourists with big money from insurance), average Cubans with no money have third world class care (inside dirty old building with old equipments). Cuba is sending their best doctors and nurses outside to pay their debts. Cuba still survive today because of the western tourists and dollars (Cuba have the best beaches in the Caribbean) and donations from others countries (like the rice from VN). Capitalism is not great but it’s better than communist (jailed everyone that criticized their unpractical politics and economic decisions). Stop trying to sell your crap communist propaganda, if you love so much the communist then go live in Cuba or North Korea.

Also, if you think you can’t buy illegal guns in VN, go watch those VN cop videos Nhat ky 141 on youtube… It freaking scary seeing people get pull over with pistols, rifles, grenades in VN cities...

Buying illegal gun is not easy and those gund are not manufactured in VN factories or its a simple hand-made guns, they r smuggled from somewhere and we cant stop all smugglers. Those illegal guns are not manufactured in VN when guns selling to spycho in US are legally imported and manufactured in US .

VNese like u dont like communism, then thats your own problem, no one give a damn to u bias view. U r just one of many losers after 1975. We r comparing which system is more corrupted, and ppl can see that US capitalist system is more corrupted and its time for US pple to look for a better system to avoid TAx rob and gun killed.

Dont keep lying. If you dont want a real discussion just bcs u hate communism I will not talk to u again in international forum. Im here to discuss wt foreigner members cos VN have many forum for Vnese to discuss abt capitalism vs socialist already .

If you were really from Spain (which I believe you are not), you should care about the deep corruption in your own country and do not point finger to Vietnam.

Vietnam corruption is severe, I know, but not at the level of Spain and a lot of "democratic" countries in the West, including South Europe, Latin America or South Asia. In the West, money can buy everything and rich people never go to jail, but not in Vietnam. In other words, the corruption in Vietnam and the West have different nature. In Vietnam, it is quite easy to be seen in the sense of "lubricant money", but you cannot change the system, policies or laws. In the rich Western countries, corruption is not that open, but with money, you can buy almost everything.

Yeah, I believe that hes just try to lie to get 50cent for living, ppl can see clearly that which system is more corrupted, but he just keep posting nonsense.If hes a true Spanish, then he will see that Spain having much bigger trouble than VN now.

Bro, we can not win 50cent army on internet, there r too many of them just let them be and hope decent ppl can read our post .

 

[TenLua]

Why saying communist regime work when it all fall apart everywhere??? Viet Nam is corrupted from the lowest official to the top official, almost everything have a price tag in Viet Nam. In wealthy countries, the corruption is more concentrated on the top, less visible … Ever try to bribe a cop for a traffic ticket or buy your driver license in Europe or USA? Lobbying doesn't guarantee you anything, it just putting pressure on something you want. The corruption in Viet Nam is so bad that even the food are unsafe to eat, government jobs are for sale, plenty of fake education certificates and government officials (especially the traffic cops) are among the most hated individuals in the society and we all know the reasons beside you…. . And almost all the big villas are belonging to government executives/leadership and Vnese tycoons connected to the Party. Viet Nam was saved from starvation and poverty in late 1980s by adapting capitalism policies. If Vietnamese communist society was so great, why millions Viets (both North and South) fled the country? Today Viet Nam is a (almost)free market and capitalist country, the only thing that is communist is the communist party and it politics.

How Cuba the communist paradise island is doing? I have been in Cuba many times (about 5 times) , it freaking poor, every buildings look like it will collapse anytime and most people live in misery with less 30$ US a month (all they want is to get the hell out…) and are willing to do anything for few dollars.. . The Cubans are still riding bicycles and horses carriages because gasoline and cars are too expensive. It’s just as corrupted as VN, you can buy almost everything with money in Cuba (and it's much cheaper than VN) . And please don’t tell me about their best medical care (it only for tourists with big money from insurance), average Cubans with no money have third world class care (inside dirty old building with old equipments). Cuba is sending their best doctors and nurses outside to pay their debts. Cuba still survive today because of the western tourists and dollars (Cuba have the best beaches in the Caribbean) and donations from others countries (like the rice from VN). Capitalism is not great but it’s better than communist (jailed everyone that criticized their unpractical politics and economic decisions). Stop trying to sell your crap communist propaganda, if you love so much the communist then go live in Cuba or North Korea.

Also, if you think you can’t buy illegal guns in VN, go watch those VN cop videos Nhat ky 141 on youtube… It freaking scary seeing people get pull over with pistols, rifles, grenades in VN cities...

I have wondered about this. And this is not an endorsement of communism nor am I trying to justify communism. But it had occurred to me that capitalist states have attacked, dismantled, and subvert every communist country to have ever exist. They all fail or will fail not because of their own doing, but they fail due to an outside force engineering their failure. Venezuela for a current one. Is it because they do not want to see a communist country succeed? Possibly. Why would they do this? The two are not mutually exclusive. They can co-exist so why must one strangle the other?

If you were really from Spain (which I believe you are not), you should care about the deep corruption in your own country and do not point finger to Vietnam.

Vietnam corruption is severe, I know, but not at the level of Spain and a lot of "democratic" countries in the West, including South Europe, Latin America or South Asia. In the West, money can buy everything and rich people never go to jail, but not in Vietnam. In other words, the corruption in Vietnam and the West have different nature. In Vietnam, it is quite easy to be seen in the sense of "lubricant money", but you cannot change the system, policies or laws. In the rich Western countries, corruption is not that open, but with money, you can buy almost everything.

You are completely missing the point. One form of terminal cancer is no better than the other. It's like saying," I only have colon cancer, but you have blood cancer so that makes me better."